Speed Cameras
 

Just found this website which shows all of hyndburns speed camera locations.

http://www.safe2travel.co.uk/cameras...tails.asp?l=hy

Be careful out there....  

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Cheers Roy - just hope the Website is upto date!!!!

;D

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Drive legally and stick to speed limits, Then it doesn't really matter where the cameras are does it :)

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thats very true HarryX.

but youv'e to watch out for so many things when your driving without having to see all the idiots slam on as they approach a speed camara.

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When they slam on they slow down to the speed your legally doing.. So no problem :)

As someone who drives a 2 litre Diesal Astra I can safely say that driving at 30mph is a royal PITA!

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i know HarryX - but your instant reaction is to brake aswell.

as for the speed camera's themselves - do you not think that half of them are in pointless places?

such as the one near Oswaldtwistle Mill - i mean even when the Mills is semi-busy its a nightmare getting on the Car Park so the traffic on the main road is less than 30 mph anyway - so what's the point in the camera being there?

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Yeagh I have seen daft ones and I ahve seen really dangerous ones as well.. Such as just round a bend.. If your going with the flow of traffic (speeders excuse) and the car in front goes around a sharp bend and sees the camera he will automatically slam on before even checking his speed... Your next round the bend and WHAM!

On the way to Burscough last season.. through country lanes.... I rounded a sharp bend and slammed on when I saw it... Good job there was nowt behind me..

On the whole though... Keep to legal speeds.. know your speed.. and nothing wrong IMHO

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know exactly what you mean.

i think most 'sensible drivers' can admit to driving over the speed limit at some point during the week though.

myself included!
:)

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My wife or eldest tend to keep an eye on me... tell me when I go over...

I wasn't suggesting I don't do it.. Only that its hard to complain about speed cameras if the answer is stay legal and there not so much of a problem..

I dont think people should drink to access... But I do hehehe NOT driving.. sheesh.. I mean I can say things are wrong even though I do them :) IYSWIM

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i knew what you meant HarryX - i wasnt taking it out of context.

im just not a fan of the Zero Tolerance brigade who say that if your driving at 32mph then youve broken the law and three points on your licence with an added bonus of a £60 fine.

i just think that the majority of speed camera's are to catch unsuspecting motorists rather than to reduce the number of accidents etc.

:)

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haa zero tollerance is a different story...

I am not apposed to speed cameras to be honest.. However I read recently about the limits they set on them and how it started as (example 30mph area) 40 then 35 and then 32 and some areas its now anythign over 30.. I think there should be some leeway...

After all the object is to slow people down and make the roads safer.. not get as many speeders as you can :(

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thats true HarryX.

but whilst they are raking in so much money i cant see it changing.

in fact we are probably going to see a lot more pop up in the coming months/years.
:(

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Seems to me that they are placed to produce the most revenue, not necessarily where there have been accidents, or there is the potential for them.

Where I live there is a strange 3 way junction, and cars come speeding round there like there's no tomorrow. I can hear them screeching to a halt constantly. Can't believe there hasn't been a bad accident there yet.  >:(

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Who has the finally say about these cameras and where they go anyway? Is it the Police or local councils?

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I think they should be banned and all the money spent on them put into increase the size of the police force, not all accidents are caused by speeding!

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In my opinion, speed cameras are not the solution to stopping speading.  As mentioned, people see the camera and slow down (Some brake quite hard at times) and speed up when they pass it.  The main people that the cameras are going to get are those not local to the specific area as they do not know where the cameras are, so it makes you wonder if it just a money raising alternative.

It's one thing that does annoy me with the police, why can they not pay for more officers or units rather than on high speed detection devices, etc......

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Gatso camera sites are decided by the police and the county council. they are supposed to be a safety measure but as we all know, a majority are placed to make money. Mobile units are money makers. I was recently fined for driving at 34.7mph after just leaving a 40 zone and going into a 30 zone. They even knew I was decreasing my speed but still did me anyway! They hide them in the back of vans and stick a little sign no bigger than 6 inch square a few metres from the van and sometimes in the dark of night so you dont know they are there! I drive to the speed limit always but i think there should be more vax systems rather than gatso, mini gatso and mobile units(ds2's)... the tss systems are a nasty piece of work too! they monitor you over a long stretch of road and calculate your speed and upload the data for processing..

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I work for a company which supply some types of speed cameras to the european police forces... if anyone was wondering..

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Do they work in the dark?
If so which ones do and which ones don't?

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yeah they do... the lux level on these cameras work in extreme conditions which basically means it can compensate for any loss of light and still retrieve a clear image. the signal from the analogue signal from the camera is converted to digital then enhanced. they are currently developiing a new type of camera which will track you on a national level. Its being developed on the apnr(number plate recognition) camera system. when this camera detects you it communicates with a central server which checks for tax & insurance. They are currently working on including a check for the mot also.

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speed cameras are a cheap replacement for traffic police

the amount of people i see driving around with headlights not working and various other faults and stupid illigal dangerous parking etc is beyond belief

when my friends passed their tests the police would pull you over for anything that looked out of order on your car but now unless you are driving past a speed camera over the legal limit you can get away with almost any traffic infringment because there isnt the police to uphold the law and that is assuming the speed camera actualy has a film in it and not a dummy one

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I agree chav.. One thing to mention is that there are very few cameras which have to be serviced and reloaded. the majority of the speed cameras are now digital and are uploaded to a central server as soon as the image is recieved. This has enabled them to place more active cameras and the numbers of dummy cameras is now reducing.

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What about the laser ones at night? I have seen cars with lights right under the front reg plate. I would have thought that would overload the camera making it shut it iris down and not be able to see the number plate. Any thoughts?

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They may have a filter to block excess light.

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it is now illigal to have anything that directly interferes with the lazers on speed cameras and if i remember rightly if caught you get a huge fine and 6 points on your licence

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The mobile unit emits a signal which detects a vehicle enter the wide beam. This then returns to the unit and verifies the speed on which then decides if an image is required the gets ready for the next scan. No lights or other devices can interupt the signal due to the wide beam. The only way the beam can give misleading information is if there are two cars driving parallel to each other and the system checks for this. The system also has built in apnr which stores the full car image in high detail and the driver is clearly visable in any environment. The camera has a zero lux rating which basically means it can see clearly in the dark no matter how dark it is.

If you need to know more about the mobile camera that we use in this country here is the link..

http://www.robot.de/english/index.php

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the radar unit dosent use any sort of optical lense its like a mini satelite dish that points at the path of the moving vehicle. this sends and recieves signal which it uses to calculate.

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your right chav.. its illegal to use any sort of device which monitors for this signal but not illegal to own one.

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cheers roy sir just checked out the locations in blackburn
didn't realise there were so many :eek: :eek: :eek:

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just a footnote

anyone who uses tom tom devices and got the free speed camera location package which alerts you to where they are the database is drasticly out of date and will not notify youof 3 speed cameras in accrington alone that i know of

download and install the FREE speed camera database which also alerts you to known hiding spots used by the police and cameras that are on traffic lights

i will post the link when i find it again

edit:

http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/uksafetycameras.php

kept upto date monthly

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good thinkin chavman!

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Apart from if its really thick fog. Hundreds of drivers on the m6 avoided speeding tickets because the camera which detected the speeding vehicles couldn't read the registration plates.

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I'm all for the number plate recognition, it stops ******* driving scrap xr2i's with no tax and insurance.

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I wouldnt rely on that info madhatter... sonar can cut through fog with no problems... it dosent 'bounce' off fog... just goes thru it... if the fog is thin enough at the snapshot end it will get you. it takes a snapshot after checking your speed.. the image is the last thing it gets.... good comment though...

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If you look at the boxes most of them are empty (in Preston anyway) they only have a few cameras but they move them around often.

If i got fined £60 i would expect a copy of the photo as well as the points on my licence!!! lol that would be one expensive picture!!lol

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Too right then you can know if it was true or cow pat laying by the money grabbers. How many have actually questioned the fine and points?

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you can ask to see evidence but they charge you for the photo(£10). as I mentioned in an earlier post the image is very clear.. I will get you an example and post it...

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If 10 quid saves paying 60 then its worth it.

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Surely they can't charge you to see evidence that is about to convict/vindicate you? There must be something illegal in that.

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Well that actually happened, it took the pictures but they couldn't be read. You can cut through the night but you cant cut through thick fog. Not that I'd recommend it though cos as you say thats a rare ocurance and the fog would have to be really thick, which makes you wonder why they were speeding.

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To clarify, they know what speed they were doing, the camera tripped, think it was an average speed one anyway, but they could read the registrations because the fog was so thick. Didn't realise it read like i was saying the fog would stop them reading the speed.

Update on Speed Cameras
 

Thought you would all be interested in this latest headline:

Speed Camera Flaw Claims

Updated: 05:49, Wednesday March 01, 2006

Nearly all speed camera prosecutions are based on inadmissible evidence, according to a motorcycle magazine.

Motor Cycle News claims camera operators are breaching the Criminal Justice Act by not providing photo or video evidence of an alleged offence at least seven days before a trial.

The publication's news editor, Tony Carter, said Motor Cycle News has contacted the three biggest areas which run the speed camera partnerships.

He said: "All the partnerships said 'Evidence isn't automatically submitted'.

"The problem for most people accused of speeding is they won't realise that this fact of law, which our investigation has uncovered, can render the evidence inadmissible in court."
A spokeswoman for the Association of Chief Police Officers said Motor Cycle News' story was incorrect.

She said: "There are two separate issues, the first relates to when a motorist receives notification that they've been detected by a speed camera and they wish to view the evidence relevant to that offence.

"They would then normally submit a request to the safety camera partnership to view that evidence which may be sent to them by post or alternatively arrangements may be made to view the evidence at a police station.

"The second issue relates to when a motorist chooses to have their case heard before a magistrates court and enters a plea of not guilty to the specific offence. Under these circumstances, there are strict procedures laid down in the Criminal Procedures Act 1996 to which the police service fully adheres."

The spokeswoman said Motor Cycle News had "confused" the two issues.

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Well still say its Goventment approved highway robbery. In times gone by Highwaymen had their necks streached so maybe its time the robbers got the message.

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i have never seen a speed camera been cleaned but there must be somone who goes and cleans them like there is someone who cleans phone box's

if we can find out how often they are cleaned we can spray paint over the lenses and be safe for a while :D

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Off you go then mate. You might as well do something usefull while your up all night. The one in Great Harwood that had its lens sprayed orange was like it for months :D.

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i will have to spray slowly the last thing i need to do is triggerthe camera and have my picture on the polices most wanted lol

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Stick a pic of Tony Blairs limo on it the trigger it. :D :D