Online petition against ID cards
 

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I'm all for ID cards.
Might just stop the thousands of scroungers and militants/terrorists staying in this country!
Will be good as well if they got DNA into the cards to maybe cut down on crime and catch the beggers earlier.

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Can you tell me a single goverment IT project that has actually worked? Look at the NHS fiasco and then tell me you want to trust this shower of numpties with all your biometric info? Remember when someone cracks it you can't just close your DNA account and get a new one.

Also, it has never been proven that ID cards do anything to stop crime/terrorism/illegal immigrants etc, Look at Spain as an example.

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i have to agree to them too

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I am totally against ID cards because in the first place, but not necessarily the most important point, if ID cards become a reality, the long suffering and over taxed general public will pay for them not just the once but TWICE. It is our billions of pounds of taxes that will pay for the implementation and then to add insult to injury we will have to pay for a photograph and then pay £30 above the cost of a biometric passport to get one. And no doubt it will have to be renewed every few years to take into account the ageing of the person in the photograph. What if someone wants to grow or shave off a moustache and/or beard? Or someone has the misfortune to have his/her face disfigured? What about women who change their hair colour/style on a whim? What about those people who already have a biometric passport? They certainly do not need further ID.

The government and IT industry track record in supplying computer systems for government use is worse than poor as entwisi has pointed out. In fact a central record will aid identity theft rather than prevent it. After all, all the information is in one place to be hacked and stolen.

In order to get an ID card the potential recipient will have to establish his/her identity by other means – driving license, passport, utility bill, bank statement and/or National Insurance number. So if can prove who I say I am by producing one or more of those, why do I need an ID card? The simple answer is I don’t.

An ID card will not prevent a suicide bomber nor will it prevent illegal immigration or crime.

According to the most recent queen’s speech (shouldn’t that be Blair’s speech read by the queen?) dictator Blair is pushing on with the implementation of ID cards in spite of massive public opposition to them. He is going to waste billions of our money on this Blair’s folly.

I have signed that petition (2,351st) so thanks for bringing it to my attention entwisi.

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Oh no!!!!!! Jambutty and I agreeing about something!!!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Oh! Yes! entwisi.

But then I didn’t realise that I was supposed to disagree with others on principle like some people do.

I’ll have to rethink my stance on ID cards. Thinking deeply!

Nope! Try as I might I just cannot bring myself to be pro ID cards.

I guess that you’ll just have to live with it.

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Just this once I'll let it go as the exception that proves the rule :D

And like you I can't ever consider agreeing with ID cards

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Might just stop the thousands of scroungers and militants/terrorists staying in this country![quote]
You will never stop scroungers, we are breeding them now, tighter controls yes, after WW2 identity cards and regular police checks were in force for refugees/displaced persons, we called them foreigners,you can't do that today. ID cards for immigrants yes.

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Identity cards? Bring 'em on!

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all in favour of them , had one when i lived in spain,as well as the photograph which as jambutty says will change (agree on that) they had a fingerprint on also, how can that change? so as sparky says bring em on.;)

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I don't have a problem with them, judging by some of the things on the news at the moment the sooner the better, I think they should bring back Corporal punishment for those thugs who don't have one or fail to produce it on demand.

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True but it is a question of how much is it going to cost the individual, they should give them free & you provide the passport photo or they do it - any subsequent ones for losing or missing you should then pay for it:rolleyes:

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thats a fair point mel, i had to pay for mine in spain though,so don,t see it happening. i still wouldn,t object though to me the plusses if used correctly outweigh any minuses.

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To me it should be just like applying for a driving licence, you provide a piccy and the government sector do the rest? People immigrating should pay a flat registration fee on becoming a British citizen; other foreign Nationals who have them should carry their own countries ID Cards. No body should be allowed into the country to stay beyond an holidays without the means of support and a sponsor.

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Yes. Personal Responsibility.

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Producing an ID card on demand Doug is the beginnings of a Police State.

Is that what people want?

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beginnings? it began during the miners strike jim,a police state i think is a good arguement for another thread.;)

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I wouldn't be against having an ID card as long as it was just that, a card with my photo on to say I'm who I am.. but I would not want the details of my whole life on it. DNA,credit ratings, empoyment past and present, what I ate for dinner? no thanks.

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ERMMMM how much are these I.D cards gonna cost!:eek: ????

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I agree with you there Mancie, that would be too much information.

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I Agree
Its about time this country started becoming unattractive to scroungers.

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No offence taken Doug.

Slowly but surely the authorities are hemming us in and the sad part is that people are not only allowing it to happen but some actually welcome it on the illusion that ID cards will prevent crime etc.

It is claimed that an ID card will cost about £30 more than the cost of a biometric passport panther. But don’t forget it is our taxes that are being used to pay for the implementation. Money that could be better used in health and education. Note I don’t even mention pensions.

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£30..........stuff that! nooooooooooo way

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That is a strange comment on a thread you started with a link to a Government web site. Does http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ not count as a Government IT project? :D

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If I change my job it cost me £36 each time for a CRB Disclosure, it cost the same for each time I employ a member of staff or if a office based member of staff is promoted to a managment postion. I don't see a one off payment being to much to pay. The only thing that will bother me is if they give them away free to the people we're trying to control.

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Another paper bag me thinks, are is that another thread. :)

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I accept no restrictions on my freedom nor should you, shame on you for saying it, why should we have restrictions, this is our land not 'Pakistan' or any other foreign land, but it needs saying, I apologise not for saying it!

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I've said having an ID card would not bother me, but what are the circumstances in which I would need to produce it??

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I agree with you on both counts Willow. I do not see how ID cards can be a bad idea but I think they should be free.

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Yeah ID cards are good idea and should be free,and only somebody with something to hide would be against them.IF YOU HAVE DONE NOWT YOUVE NOWT TO FEAR :)

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HERE HERE . Completely agree MT

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Only it is run by a company called mysociety.org and it seems that this site was not instigated on request of teh goverment. it was a funded organistaion who took ideas and developed teh best, this being one of them.

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The problem is mthead is that these things ARE planned to hold so much data about you that it would be very useful to anyone who intended to defraud you financially. It is a single point of failure(which is a VERY bad idea in anything IT) to almost all information about you from medical records to benefit claims, any police record/past convictions to credit worthyness.

As said, to actually collate all this information into a single place will cost a fortune, forget £30 on top of a Bio passport, general consensus is that these things will be costing each person ~£200 and thats before the project goes over budget(which has happened in over 95% of goverment IT projects over the last 5 years). Then there is the technical aspects. In trying to put together the new NHS ITsystem ( a small subset of what the ID cards will cover) different areas are being developed by different companies, data exchange between them has proven to be nigh on impossible due to different interpretations of the rules. There has already been incidents of Xrays and records being unavailable that have put lives at risk. I see fairly big( multi million pound) IT projects on a daily basis and none of these are anything close to what is being suggested and my view is that there isn't any company that would be capable of implementing the ID cards systems successfully. As soon as you get into colaboration you hit even bigger problems due to the politics involved.

The other point is about what use they will be in practice, all this talk of anti terrorism/scrotes/etc is just propaganda. In Spain they have ID cards yet ETA have been blowing things up for years, Then there was teh madrid train bombings. Back to our own country, all of teh London Bombers were 'ordinary UK citizens' and would have been carrying ID cards had we had them, would it have stopped the awful events that unfolded? Nope. If you are set upon blowing yourself and numerous innocents into the next life, would you really care about carrying an ID card?

Onto immigration, again, there are lots of countries who have ID cards yet suffer just as we do from illegal immigrants. All it would do is force them further underground creating an almost sub human class who have no rights, no way of protest and no protection from teh likes of organised crime.

I have nowt to hide as you say but I do not see how any of the above can offer me any protection from what they claim.

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Bloody well said Enti ! I think it IS an infringement on our freedom and it IS heading towards a police state. Who owns you? I own myself.
To think that these cards will stop terrorism, immigration etc is naive and believing what they want you to think.

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Found the following link that shows just how much trust doctors have in the new NHS system

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/6167924.stm