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A POLICE chief sparked outrage yesterday by claiming men who bed girls as young as 13 were not all paedophiles.

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When you read the last two lines of that statement, then yes, i agree with him.

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believe me if a 18/19 year old lad touched my 13 yr old he wont need to be prosecuted! he will have two bloody house bricks to contend with!

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Silly, silly comment to make. :( No way is sex ok for a 13 year old, regardless of her sexual partners age and whether they think they are in love. The only thing he has done is condone under-age sex. It's wrong, they have all the time in the world 16 and onwards to have an intimate relationship, he should be encouraging kids to seize the right to be children and hold onto it for as many years as they can.

The only grey area in my eyes as far as under-age sex is the one that our law already recognises. If someone is 15 when they are having sex but will turn 16 before any case will appear before the courts, what is the point? It will just be an expensive court case that would end up being thrown out of court.

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I can understand why he said it's a grey area - for instance if it was a 17 year old boy and a 15 year old, you can probably bet that it was the 15 year old girl that did all the running.

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If it happened to you, if your granddaughter or daughter was made 'pregnant'at the early age of 14, would you like it, no you would be the first to cry 'statutary rape', and rightly so, bring these cretins to book never mind 'she loves him' IT IS RAPE, in the eyes of the law.

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I don't know Ianto - when I was at school a girl got pregnant at 14 and I'm pretty sure she was a willing partner.

I agree if the man had been a man but it wasn't it was a boy of a similar age to her.

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I think this Police Chief is way off the mark on this , the Law says 16 is the "age of consent " (its also the minimum age at which one can get married), and the Police should follow and enforce the law , otherwise if you lower the age you are opening the door to allowing child-brides.
At the same time I acknowledge that youngsters are going to experiment and 'mess-around' , (I think lots of us know of someone who had to leave school early and getting wed at 16 but it was usually to a lad a couple of years older) it would be a more sensible approach to maybe allow a 3 year window, e.g. a 17yr old lad wouldn't be jailed for rape if his girlfriend was 14 yrs , (just handed over to her dad and brothers) but in my mind there is no reason for anyone 18 or over having a 14 yr old girlfriend , that is just child molestation .

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In addition to my previous post...

As I understand it, paedophillia is about predatory sex by men abusing children. It is what we do with these b@stards when they are brought before the judicial system that bothers me.
The pinko, mard-arsed, bleeding-heart liberal, human rights brigade seem to favour the perpetrators of the crime over the victims of the crime. Brand 'em with a letter P on their forehead, then throw 'em into general circulation in the prison system. No molly-coddling or Section 43 for these scrotes! :mad:


Footnote. I had to add this as an addendum because we have had the edit facility seriously curtailed. It is now only possible to edit a post within a 10 minute timescale. I blame ** ***** abuse of the system for having this restriction foisted upon us! :(

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I must admit I am biassed it realy hurts when it is 'your' problem. enough said thanks ITW.

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It's not really a grey area.. the law is that to have sex with someone under the age of 16 is illegal.. but I think its common sense tells that a 17yr old having consenting sex with a 15yr girl old is not the same as a grown man preying on kids. So should the 17yr old still be placed on the sex offenders list?

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No .... and you will find the law already recognises this.

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Actually, yes, I don't know why I'm doing the liberal and understanding stuff on this thread - you're right, paedophiles should be locked away for a very long time. I don't know why I do it but I always have to see both sides of the argument.

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It's not a bad thing Gayle. I'm exactly the same. I have strong opinions on some things that I won't be swayed on, but most thinks I like to believe I can see both sides of the argument.

For instance Mancie put the example up of a 15 year old girl with a 17 year old lad. I'll be surprised if anyone thinks that's wrong. Now let's go up in stages 15 year old with a 20 year old? Hmmm not an ideal situation. 15 year old with a 25 year old? 15 with a 30 year old and so and so on .... Where is the line drawn?

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There is no line to be drawn law is law, it is not 'bent' for anyone, or is it?

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Bent no, mitigating circumstances yes. It's what we are all entitled to within our justice system. If a 17 year old lad on a charge of under-age sex uses a mitigating circustance of a loving relationship with the 15 year old girl then the courts should recognise that fact.

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A 17 year old 'lad' in my humble opinion does not know his backside from his elbow, never mind 'a loving relationship'.

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LOL! ..... Most of those 17 year old lads never grow out of that stage either Ianto.W :D

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Or lasses'

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Does it not really depend upon if said older person is activly going out and looking for a underage sexual partner? I mean.. people look a lot older these days... a 20 year old male could think hes with an 18 year old female (after all shes in pubs drinking) then it could turn out shes 15 (or less.. Ive known 14 year olds go out drinking around town).

Its a crime, but should it be punishable? What are you supposed to do, go around IDing people..

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It is not paedophilia I agree but some form of 'bringing to book' should take place, the girls parents are the ones that are left pardon the pun 'holding the baby', the parents of the father should be held accountable for theis son's actions, as are vandals parents.

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The problem is that young girls are made to grow up so quickly in this day and age, so they are forever looking for the perfect older lad because "he's going to be so mature".
Of course it is a two way street & cases in my opinion should be viewed as entirely situational, but as stated earlier in this thread, young teen females these days are playing a very very dangerous game.

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Are we talking about the older person being a male?
Is it the same if the older person is a female?

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Do you mean the regarding the law or my personal opinion on it?

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Both but mainly peoples personal opinion

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The law, I think we both know is more biased towards prosecuting a male for under age sex than it is towards a female. I personally don't agree with it.

A 30 year old woman with a 15 year old lad is as wrong as vice versa in my opinion .... and a 17 year old girl with a 15 year old lad is just the same, I don't think they deserve prosecution.

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WHY the law is the law, not one for you and one for me if it is illegal to have intercourse with a child under the age of 16 that is what it is, not what you want it to be.

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ok, going to be the sexist pig here............any male 18 yrs or older who goes for a sexual relationship with a 13/14/ yr old girl needs to be dealt with by the law . Any woman over 20 yrs who goes for a sexual relationship with a 13/14/15 yr old lad needs treatment , then the law.

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IantoW. we will never agree on this. I'm not trying to say my opinion is right, you have a valid point with the law should be the law. It's just my personal opinion that the grey area that the law recognises at present, which is for 15 year olds is correct. Why take a 17 year old lad to court for having a sexual relationship with a girl of 15? Total waste of tax payers money. Why should the 17 year old have to be on a sex offenders register, labelled a sex offender when all he did was consumate a loving relationship with the 15 year old 'love of his life' a few months before her 16th birthday.

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Touce' we will not agree, only to differ, no offence I hope. Regards Ian. W.

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Absolutely no offence taken. :)

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I've always thought i had my head screwed on when i was 15. I dont know how much you can know your own mind at that age. But what i'm saying is, what if the teenager is in a willing relationship with an older person. The older person may not be attracted to young people persay, just attracted to this one person? Maybe that is wrong in societies eyes, but maybe things work for individuals. I know a girl who went to my school who met a much older man whilst she was young, i always thought what an odd couple. That was 17 years ago. They have three children and are still in love. I also know another couple like this. He was middle aged and married. He left his wife for a 15 yr old. She was younger than his eldest! They too are still going strong! Im not agreeing to underage sex im just saying that it must be noted that Paedophiles are attracted to children.

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yes and if your under 18 u are classed as a child!! like a I said before any man 18 or over touches my daughter while shes under the age of 18, will be pulverized, and dealt with promtly. girls at 13/14/15 years are so vunerable they will do anything a boy will tell them to do just to keep them, :(. to me having sex with a child (13/14/15yrs) should be prosecuted especially if your 18 or over, its just perverted! 16 is the legal age it should be 18!!

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I really don't see what the arguments are here. As far as I understand, condoms are sprinkled out like confetti at most school assemblies. If the Department of Education, togeather with the NHS, is actively encouraging and subsidising under-age nookie, then is it any surprise any remaining social, moral and legal controls are questioned?

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Did anybody watch that program on TV last night ...Britains youngest mums and dads ....(channel 6 , Freeview) one was only 12 years old. :eek:

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I would like to add young girls are putting themselves at risk. They may be only 13/14/15 but they act and dress alot older. The problem being they may have matured physically but what about mentally? They might think they know better than their elders but is this the case? I think parents who have young teenagers have a tough job, I think there is only so much you can do unless you're goner chain them to their room until there 16. I remember being 14 going on 21 so I thought, as far as I was concerned I knew better than anyone else!

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In Amsterdam and other European countries most teens dont have sex until they're 18. They have a comprehensive sexual education starting in primary school. Most British people would be shocked at the content of their education, but there are hardly any teenage pregnancies. Knowledge is power. I think its time our government stopped living in the past and cowtowing to prim parents who think sex is bad!

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Forget about what police say, anyone who wishes to take a childs OR A PERSONS innocence that will lead to the path of the wrong should be punished.

Think back to when you were innocent, and how your life is now that your innocence is gone after sex leads to drugs, drugs lead to drink, drink leads to violence, violence leads to crime, crime leads to a worthless life.

anyone under 16 should not have sex simply because the child will regreat that it's childhood was taken away at such a young age we only get one make it last.

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Its the drugs leads to drink step I'm most concerned about, I must have done so many I can't remember any of them anymore. Perhaps teh Accyweb meet should be renamed to ex druggies anonymous :D

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The law is quite clear. Having sex under the age of 16 is unlawful – full stop.

However girls mature physically (but not necessarily mentally) before boys - by at least one year so maybe that should be taken into consideration. There are always exceptions though but you cannot legislate for individuals so there has to be a blanket ban.

Lesbian or gay sex should be limited to consenting adults and that means at least 18 years of age. Even here I think that it should be 21. Paedophiles don’t just target girls. Gay men will target boys and Lesbian women will go for girls.

During the fist six weeks of my naval career we were shown a highly explicit film about venereal diseases. I can promise you that it was not nice. It put me off casual sex especially after seeing the queue outside the sick bay on my first ship.

Maybe showing such a film to youngsters would help concentrate their minds especially if the film also broached the alcohol issue.

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So even though they may have been married and have had children, you'd prosecute at public cost, two twenty year old women that had a consensual relationship? Strange logic.

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http://www.dailyhappypill.com/Funny%...pics_5_jpg.jpg

These two women are twenty years old.

Are you suggesting public money should be spent prosecuting them and sending them to jail?

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The age of consent is now legally sixteen, regardless of sexual orientation.

There was never any legal age of consent for lesbians, as Queen Victoria didn't think it existed, when legislation was brought in to criminalise male homosexuality.

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This is not aimed at you as such G.

I think, and I hope that this particular bit is going to be a non argument. The legal age is 16, it’s the same age to play the lottery and die for your country (although they do try and keep you from the front line) I don’t like to think of anyone today playing fast and loose with their lives. One thing I would agree with Jambutty is the need for realistic hard hitting sexual education. I sat through many RAF educational films about sexual health in the late 70s and I can tell you (and I’m more than sure that others will agree) they weren’t enjoyable viewing. Maybe it’s time to introduce some reality into our schools about the consequences of sexual experimentation.

In view of the original post. The Law and the Courts or there to make judgements on individual cases. I can understand what the guy is saying, but for those who deliberately target and pray on children we should be much harsher, Surgery and life imprisonment, that is the only way you will ever really protect the public.

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I agree, the difference between here and Amsterdam is that there is still some stigma and shame associated with teen pregnancies in Holland. Their sex education is far superior and contraception is properly explained and easy to obtain (there are condom machines on street corners so they don't even need to deal with a shop assistant). The Dutch are also more savvy about STI's. Dutch teenagers do have sex and they do experiment with it but because of the stigma associated with teen pregnancies, they use contraception (usually condoms) and they do it sensibly.

We need to face facts that teenagers are not going to stop having sex. They have tried this in the USA where they had an abstinance programme. The pregnancy rate did fall but the STI rate increased amongst the young people on the abstinence programme. Therefore, they were still having sex but using a non barrier form of contraception. Sex education needs to be better...... more informative and yes... more graphic (it was pretty pathetic when I was at school). It needs to be taught by someone who is qualified within the sphere of sexual health and not by a general, usually nervous teacher.

Lastly...... Parents have a lot to answer for. Can the parents on this forum honestly hold their hands up and say that they have frank, open discussions with their teens about sex, emotions, diseases, pregnancy etc. I know that my parents didn't, except to explain how pregnancies happen. Parents have to take some responsibility regarding teenage sex. My dad, being rather old fashioned has not had the wherewithall to speak to my teenage sister.. I have had many a discussion with her from the age of 13. She knows almost as much as I do about HIV, Chlamydia, Gonorrhoea and pregnancy. These are my areas of expertise and I consider that I have done a decent job on her.

It's high time that we, as a nation, got over our inhibitions and started talking to our teens. A teenage pregnancy is by no means the worst thing that can happen to them. HIV is on the increase, it is a lifelong disease and it kills...

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"The real traditions of the British Navy are rum, buggery and the lash." (Winston Churchill) ;)

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I have always believed that there is NO set age to start telling your kids about sex, contraception etc etc.......

My 9 year old was recently staying at his Grandma and Grandads. He asked his Grandma what a Condom was. She sat him down and told him what they were and what they were used for.
When I went to pick him up the next day she told me what she had said to him and hoped I didn't mind. Of course I didn't mind. She is old enough and wise enough to have given him the proper and truthful facts.

I agree with Lettie on this matter. Parents need to tell these youngsters about sex and contraception.

My mum was always open with us about sexual issues and yes it might have been embarrassing for her.......but at least we got truthful facts instead of wrong facts off other teenagers.

I think when they are old enough to ask.....they are old enough to be told.

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Well been through the thread cogitated a bit and come to the conclusion that its time the govenment set everything around underage sex in a comprehensive set of laws that no one can misunderstand. I have a daughter and nieces and anyone went near them I would find a large blunt rusty knife and perform surgery without anisthetic!!!

What other countries do is their business and they run by that with all the information help and aid at hand. My nephews are too young to get into any mischief at the moment but I hope that by the time they want to "go exploring with girls" that this whole mess is sorted out. Its easy to just ignore what happens and when questioning both boys and girls of a certain age you get the " thats a dirty thing" attitude.

While there is so much subliminal advertising near naked popstars and papers ful of celebs sex lives then teens will want to give it a go. The education side is poor, advice is ridgedly advocated and the "my friends do it" all come into play.

So all in all its a poor do and because of the way things are these kind of people flourish and teens see no wrong in it. Its not that long ago that a couple of teachers got "in about" a couple of teens and if they think its ok then heaven help us.

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Good God ...... and they say teenagers need educating! I thought we'd moved on from comments like that years ago jambutty!

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Its not so much an education thing as much as are the teens at 16 emotionally mature enough to cope with it?

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Me does!! :D in fact one just got brought up & i had to make sure she understood what it meant [thank fully she did] funny it was the condom so the discussion just came up so i could inform her its uses, also aware of the pill im open with that as well & im always making it stigma here for teenage pregnancies - cos no i dont want to be a young granny, plus the life we have means i share openly the crap of life, that choosing means choosing consequences, so yeh my kids as aware as i am, at the time they are ready & hope i set a good example to them & just hope they darn listen!!:D

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Maturity is individual though:rolleyes: there are some mature 16 year olds as there are immature 19 year olds - it varies thats the problem

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Very true and therein lies the problem. Just because a teen whether male or female is sexually mature at 13 dosnt meen that it is a licence for anyone of the age of consent to think that they can "have em" as it is not as though they are sexually imature. The whole argument that the Chief Constable started then backed away on shows how emotive and fouled up the whole paedophillia issue is.

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Is it that parents find it embarresing to broach the subject? Being a parent my daughter is still my little baby girl though she is 11 in March and growing up fast.

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Tho marriage & love is not necessarily a maturity issue more a personal growth one, people fall in & out of love for many reasons even if at least one of them is mature - marriage & relationships are a whole big kettle of fish on their own... certainly these days..:Banane41:

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True Willow it can happen to the best of us lol:D

I think that there needs to be a clear clarification of end of childhood to beginning of adulthood meaning when i was 16........u was old enough to have sex, thus risk having kids - tho u cant drive/take a test till earliest 17, u cant vote, drink legally, go to adult prison till your 18 & then when you are 21 u are legally accountable as an adult:confused: - even then no clear end & start is there???? & thats doing everything legal & above board!

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Fair enough, but you can plonk a law on the age to try protect kids (and anyone under 16 is a kid in my eyes) making the kinda mistakes, we as adults are equipped to deal with.

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What has always bemused me about this question is that the 'social' laws are fighting the biological laws .. what I am trying to say is that a girl comes into puberty at average 13 and therefore can conceive and produce offspring .. a boy is at his high at 18 (sorry, fellas most of you here now on the decline :D ) This would be a perfect match according to nature.

If you have any sort of religious beliefs, this is what your God should be telling you .. is it not ? as he supposedly created you .. Ok .. yes, I am an atheist; but it is the most religious people that tend to argue against under age sex.

Just that the way we have evolved socially and over population, lack of housing, makes it rather difficult for 13 year old girls to bring up a child of her own, because we are at this age still providing education, fun things to do and labour laws, etc., Better all around, but still this battle going on. It does seem strange that a day before your 16th birthday it is considered wicked and illegal; the next day 'that's fine'.

Remember when Jerry Lee lewis married his 13 year old bride ? I felt strange about that one as only young myself.

Seems in some American states, the age of consent for women is 16 and boys 18 .. that is weird.

Anyway, we all know the difference between paedophiles and early relationships

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You may not agree with me, I may not agree with you, anonymous crap 'brownie' points giver but if you must castigate me put your name to it, you gutless cretin!

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As the mother of a 15 year old girl I'd marmalise anyone who forced himself upon her and I do agree that we have to plonk an age somewhere but also know someone who married quite legally only a few months older than her. The idea that she will be legally old enough to marry in just over 6 months time is quite scary.

A girl may be physically capable of having a baby at 13 but she isn't emotionally mature nor is her body really ready for a sexual relationship at that age despite the onset of puberty. Most 13 year old menstruating girls have still got plenty of developing to do. I seriously doubt that a 13 year old could manage a household of her own and bring up a baby without adult assistance even if she wasn't still supposed to be receivng her education.

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Totally agree, Willow. I've always thought the age should be raised to 18, but that should be across the board for everyone and everything. Very similar to accymels thinking, you can't give a child some adult decisions and remove others. 16 is old enough to have a child but not old enough to vote in a Government that best represents their own childs needs. Old enough to marry but to young to buy a drink at their own wedding reception. :confused:

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Couldn't agree more Willow, was no argument here, just that it is only the way we have evolved as a species that we have not prepared them 'emotionally' in our day and age, but, in nature's eyes, they are quite capable. This is what we would call the split between humans and animals I suppose. However, still there is this war we are fighting between biology and sociology, and to take up Tinks point .. how do we really know when 'we' consider they are ready ? Different countries have varying attitudes, but only because it fits in with the way they are socially structured (or lack of it sometime)

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Kate do you mean 'we' as parents or 'we' as a society?

As parents it's not for us to decide, the high rate of teenage pregnancy in this country goes to show they'll do it when they think ready. It's just our role as parents to talk to them, guide them and hope they make the right decisions for themselves.

As a society, I think it sets us apart from other, as you say, 'less structured' that we value our childrens right to a childhood.

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And rightly so! But what if your daughter were a willing participant or the instigator?

I am not trying to wind you up, Willow. I am playing devil's advocate, for the sake of the debate.

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Hi Tinks .. well, we as a society I suppose, after all we voted in the candidates who make these laws for us.

Again, not arguing against trying to set a law to protect our 'children' (from what ? originally though). Yes, up to us absolutely to try and make them understand not in their best interests to get pregnant, etc., as does not now fit into the society as we know it now,particularly before 16 (is it any better after?). Just again the way we have evolved as a species and decided that a 13 year old is still a child .. but nature does not tell us this. Oh hek, getting meself in a tangle now, aint I?

This is why I think underage sex should be looked on a little more sympathetically, because nature has to catch up with our ever growing better conditions i.e living longer.

Perhaps in time evolution will take over and puberty will start much later.

Teenage pregnancy biologically is not a problem .. just socially.

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I hope my daughter has enough sense. She seems to have. She has criticised a friend of hers who 'got herself into trouble' as they say but if she was a willing participant or the instigator then that is an entirely different kettle of fish as I said earlier.

Oddly enough the pregnant girl's mother stopped her going to a youth group and from mixing with a bunch of kids who were watched over by an older lad because she didn't want her daughter getting into such a situation.

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Well I have read this thread with great interest and some very good points have been put foward ..
I am 42 and my husband is 62 ,that is a 20 yr differance and we are very very happy together although taking that age difference back to my younger days ie 10/30 ,12/32, 16/36 ,17/37 at what stage does it become more realistic and slightly acceptable ? well to me, if I was 17 and had met my husband then, to me i would have found it acceptable although I know for a fact my mother woud,nt have done and i know going back all those years if my husband had met me then he wouldnt have found it acceptable and wouldnt have looked twice at me. Its only that we met when i was in my 30s that age didnt seem to matter between us , but I have a son who is in his 20s and 2 at 17 18 and if i caught them anywhere near a girl under the LEGAL age of 16 I would go skitso at them and I have a daughter who is 15 and if i caught her having a sexual relationship with any lad then the same applies , I,d like to think i have a good relationship with my kids and although I cannot stop it i would like to think that i have sexually educated them enough to know the rights and wrong of it , As for the thread topic of the peadophile thing, well my opinion is that the law for sex betweenCONSENTING teenagers is 16 Anything other than that is rape no matter what sex is the instigator

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Even if the 15 year old is 6 month from a 16th birthday?

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Yes tinks 16 is 16 not 15 and a half

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How does the law stand if they are both under 16 then ? Who gets the blame ? Do both parents prosecute the eldest, or both ? Do you put them in a remand centre, send them for treatment ? Smack their hands ? 15 year old girl +14 year old boy.. confusing, ain't it ?

What would you do if you were one of the parents ? You would have to stand by your beliefs as expressed above.

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Not saying your wrong hun, I can understand were your coming from :)

Your lads are what? 17, 18 and in his 20's? Your 17 year old lad falls madly in love (or so they think ;) ) with a 15 year old girl and he makes love to her. You'd agree your son should be convicted of rape and be on a sex offenders register for the rest of his life?

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Sorry Katex may have worded that wrongly ,I was implying In that satement to an older party being(OVER 16). I in that situation would therefore firstly find out if it was consented and if so deal with it appropriately ie try to follow the steps of (a )my daughters wishes and best interests and (b)as that to the partners and their families feelings with hopefully reaching an amicable agreement , as the law has no involvement with such issues that interests them

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Tinks If one of my lads has sex with anyone underage if he knows she is underage then yes its rape god knows how as mother i would cope but law is law and like i said I would like to think i have taught them the difference ..However I only believe in the register for the guys who are known rapists to women and children are (not just high risk ) but medium risk to those around them , I think it is all to easy to mix up teenage relationships with perververtion and the law should be able to define the two

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No problem with that :) Admirable to be so honest. Again I'll have to agree to disagree.

Luckily we do :)

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Im sorry if i have come across dictorial but I can assure you that is not the case .
I do infact think of such situations with dread Tinks , I think what I am trying to say is peadophiles are people that deliberatly prey on the vunarable and innocent and deserve to be placed an a sex register which all can view for the safety of thier community, whereas CONSENTED underage sex is and always will happen with teenagers,but if for instance you get a guy that is say 20 with a girl 14 15 and he is well aware of her age then yes to me that is taking advantage therefore classed as rape and should be dealt with , not nessecarily placed on a register but at least be named and shamed in order for him not to make the same mistake again

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Not at all hun, I can see your point :)

Me too hun, as a mother of a 14 year old daughter, believe me I've given it lots of thought. It's just a shame when these babies are placed in our arms we aren't given a hand book on what to do when they reach 'that' age :)

Agreed :)

A 20 year old with a 14/15 year old is wrong, I agree. :)

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2/3 4/weeks of her birthday? or 2 month before her birthday if the boy loved her and respected her he would WAIT till she was 16. simple!! ;)

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true! ......if they had brains though they would wait! but they dont and wont! im dreading the day my daughter gets a proper boyfriend:eek: i keep telling her to wait till she loves someone before she does out like that, and tell her to be proud to be a virgin and that lads would respect her more for it!!

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I've started a thread like this on my Talk Britain website:

http://www.talkbritain.co.uk/showthr...8751#post18751

I'm annoyed at children being used in adverts with makeup and clothing that should be worn by adults only. I've also made a petition online which you can sign here:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/childonadverts/

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which adverts are these?

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A very worthwhile idea and serious issue Neal. Its so easy to have kids looking like "little adults" with no real understanding of the damage they are doing. Childhood is supposed to be a happy time yet it is all a mess at the moment and is causing more and more problems when kids are made to look older. It fulfills some sick peoples fantisies at times making the targets.

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Adverts such as childrens toys, children wearing short skirts, crop tops, plastered with makeup. It's down to the media in my opinion children are growing up quicker these days.