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read on ceefax today that 70 prisoners have walked out of Ford Open Prison this year, one a murderer serving life,some of the others were Drug Dealers,a quote from our Home Office said all were LOW RISK prisoners??? :mad: as well as angry this kid is baffeled, what the HELL is an High risk prisoner? can someone enlighten this obviosly stupid cashy?:mad:

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Don't worry cashy they will catch up with them eventually and rest assured it's highly un-likely they would be trusted with the liberty of an open prison in the very near future. ;)

The one convicted of murder will have served his time and been due for release soon, he's probably just added himself a few more months onto his sentence.

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I get what you report Cashy.. just reminded me of ronnie biggs.. a robber that should be punished and will die in prison for his ill deeds.. but when you say murders are walking out of prisons never to come back it seems like injustice

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I'll clarify what I meant shall I? No I haven't seen the ceefax report

Maybe I'm wrong but Ronnie Biggs deserved better than that, criminal he was but he was also a human being, never forget the fact.

The murderer was due for release anyway to be in an open prison in the first place, the open prison will have been the step before a half way house/bail hostel (if he had no family or relatives to return home to). If the murderer commits another crime, he wouldn't be trusted with the liberty an open prison offers.

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OH .. cor blimey.. I was saying that its not right for a murderer to be in an open prison in the first place.. he/she has killed and should be in prison for life, not a prison were you can walk free.. and as far as the case of ronnie biggs . I was comparing the sentences you can get for murder as opposed to robbey

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SHHH. FFS!! You'll have the moderators in here! STOP SCREAMING! I won't hurt you we're just chatting :)

They have to hun, it's rehabiliation. You can't lock people away and forget about them, no matter what crime they've committed. When a prisoner has spent so long is the slammer they need to be intergrated back slowly, an open prison is the 1st step.

Right ;) I get you now!

See it wasn't that painful was it? :)

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jesus! did I post on the wrong time of month!!

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Noo!! I give everyone fair warning when 'it's that time of the month' ;)

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have to hun, it's rehabiliation. You can't lock people away and forget about them, no matter what crime they've committed. When a prisoner has spent so long is the slammer they need to be intergrated back slowly, an open prison is the 1st step. ------- WHY? i,d sure as hell forget about em.

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I would agree with open prisons for some .. but not for murderers.. if you kill.. you are a killer and no rehabilitation is required.. there maybe some mitigating circumstances and these can be looked into.

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lets not forget during his robbery an innocent man was killed or shoudl i say later died from his injuries at the hands of him and his gang

shoulda been left to die where he spent his millions

although buster was a good film it sure glamourised ronni biggs and almost made him and his gang to be loveable rougues but at the end of teh day they were theiving killers and deserved to go to jail

if i remember correctly most of teh gang served their time and if ronnie had done the same he would have been out of prison years ago and maybe wouldnt have ended up in the mess he did

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OK chav.. but that don't work out right.. if you reckon biggs is a murderer thats fair enough.. but he was not found guilty of murder.. yet he gets 30yrs and spends his last days in prison.. there are convicted known murderers who are up for parole after a couple of years and can be free before they serve 10yrs..I'm just showing the case of biggs as an example of a system that is run by the media rather than law.

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they should all rot its just unfortunate only a few get what they deserve but just because most crooks get off lightly it shoudlnt mean those that dont should be seen as hard done by

just my 2 cents but lets no forget biggs live a life of luxury for quite a while and only came back to england to scrounge off teh NHS because his blood money had dried up and he couldnt afford treatment where he was hiding out

its a long tiem since i read anything about teh train robbery but if memory serves me right the guy who phill collins played " buster " served his time and when released ran a flower stall, he also hung himself if my memory serves me right in his lockup but i forget the reason why

despite hanging himself buster did serve his time, earned a living and woudl be entitled to teh benefits of been a british citizen where as briggs was an escaped villain who blew millions and only came back to england because he thought he would get a pardon and also teh benefit of free health care

i also think its disgusting that peopel serving time for murder get life saving treatments for ilnesses , if your serving time for murder you should be put to teh very bottom of teh waiting list for treatment if any given at all

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Just a point about Ronnie Biggs and his gang. They robbed a ROYAL Mail train and any crime against the monarchy or aristocracy will always get the maximum punishment.

You can bet your sweet life that if they had robbed a bank the sentences would have been less.

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agree entirely, also if you murder a policeman you will get a life sentance with a longer recomendation, but thats always been so,now though it seems to me like the criminal should be re-habilited whilst the victims can go and get stuffed.:confused:

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yeh fair enough but a life sentance TIME should not depend on WHO you murder!

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Stop glamorising the Train Robbers; Biggs was/is the ultimate slime ball. Having escaped from a British Prison, he spent the best part of 30 years living it up in Brazil, where there was no extradition treaty. He threw every type of insult at this country; nevertheless, when his dosh had run out and he found himself ill and unable to pay for Brazilian health care, he then decided to return to the UK in order to avail himself of the taxpayer funded health sevice.

I hope he rots in hell.

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A life sentance is usually between 12 to 16 years depending on the 'gravity' of the murder, that is if you addmit the crime and recant, in the latter or rehabilatation period of the sentance you can be sent to semi open, and then open prisons, then bail hostel, after comes a period of 'on licence' which in some cases lasts indefinitely. Either way they are not encouraged to return to live in the area the crime was committed. As for Ronnie Biggs Tealeafe and co are quite correct, let him rot as a lesson to other would be escapers.

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Yes, but the manner of Ronnie Biggs escape was not a walk out of open prison, it was well planned, paid for and ruthlessly executed as would anyone who had got in the way would have been.

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“Gravity of a murder” Ianto.W.? Dead by another hand is DEAD – full stop and should receive the same punishment no matter who the victim is. The same applies to other crimes.

Biggs harmed no one except the driver who eventually died, allegedly from injuries received during the robbery, and had the audacity to rob a ROYAL mail train. He got 30 years but was that because of the robbery or was that because of the driver’s death? If memory serves me well the driver died AFTER Biggs was sentenced so at the best he would only have been charged with armed robbery and GBH to the driver.

A paedophile who abuses an innocent child and then kills it gets half that.

The punishment does not fit the crime but is harsher or longer if the victim is a prominent member of society. Not that a prison sentence these days is very harsh.

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It is the way it is carried out you cannot class the chap that kills his wife 'in drink' the same way as the 'Soham' murders, but I take your point it is still murder. This is just how the system appears to your's truely regards Ianto.W.

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OK, jambutty I'll give you an example. A woman who has suffered years of abuse at the hands of seriously depraved spouse, decides one night she can't take it anymore! She takes a knife to bed that night with the intention of killing him when he falls asleep.

You have a dead person on your hands jambutty, but should that lady spend the rest of her life rotting in a jail? Seriously?

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a simplified version of what i said lol

agree totaly :Banane35:

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Ooops....I missed your post.

My sincere apologies.

And for that, you can buy me a pint at the Christmas do:D

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Oh can I just say!!! I LOVE THAT FILM and the sound track in it......( have to watch that DVD tonight now)







OK back on thread :D

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thats if the cold weather dosnt kill you off this year , i had you in the elderly cold kill off sweepstake last year and you let me down :(

for your cheeck you can have a half :D

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Your emotive example is always trotted out when murder is being discussed but it is still pre-meditated murder Tinkerbelle no matter how people try to dress it up. No person has the right to take the law into their own hands and take another person’s life.

However when such a case comes to trial I would expect the jury and the judge to be acquainted with the facts leading up to the murder and exercise compassion when passing sentence.

Incidentally in this day and age people do not rot in jail. But the phrase rot in jail is often used in an emotive way to try and sway the argument.

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Well, as the case of R v Ahluwalia (1992) set a very important precedent, of course it's going to get 'trotted out'.

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 338782) Incidentally in this day and age people do not rot in jail. But the phrase rot in jail is often used in an emotive way to try and sway the argument.

No argument to sway, everyone is entitled to an opinion.