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silvermain 25-11-2006 18:23

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My mum just got her first speeding fine so has 3 points now as she was caught on burnley Rd. BUT! It wasnt the one near the garage. Is it a hidden one? Camera van? Do you know of any cameras that others might not know of? Or do you know of any mobile ones? If so put them on here and maybe save someone 60 quid.

Doug 25-11-2006 18:27

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How fast was she going?

Mancie 25-11-2006 18:29

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did you ever stop to think that if people didn't speed over the limit we might save lives rather than 60 quid ?

chav1 25-11-2006 19:13

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i have software that tells me where all teh speed cameras are and known hiding places for the police which i get updates for every month or when somone reports a new camera or hiding place

what time did she get caught because its very rare you get mobile speed cameras out at night they tend to work 9-5 around here

mind you burnley road is residential and although i like to put my foot down wherever possible i watch my speed in residential areas ;)

if i get caught speeding i will first shout at my tomtom then settle for teh fact that it was my own fault :D

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what cracks me up is yesterday i was behind a traffic cop and he had to swerve into teh opposite side of teh road because 2 taxis were parked on double yellow lines at the traffic lights yet he did absolutlely sod all about it and these 2 taxis were causing a severe blockage and a bad accident waiting to happen , i swear accrington traffic cops are pure bone idle or affraid to book anyone ive seen cars parked on zigzag lines talking to their mates at traffic lights and a que of people waiting behind despite teh lights turning to green and again teh police drive by without even batting an eyelid

shuold arrest them and take their cars away to be crushed

K.S.H 25-11-2006 19:18

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 340810)
i have software that tells me where all teh speed cameras are and known hiding places for the police which i get updates for every month or when somone reports a new camera or hiding place

if i get caught speeding i will first shout at my tomtom then settle for teh fact that it was my own fault :D

Hope you have changed the default settings for warning you, I think its set as 285 yards, you could have been caught before you hear the warning, latest laser guns can get you at nearly 1 mile away, probably before you see them :mad:

chav1 25-11-2006 19:20

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Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 340812)
Hope you have changed the default settings for warning you, I think its set as 285 yards, you could have been caught before you hear the warning, latest laser guns can get you at nearly 1 mile away, probably before you see them :mad:

set plenty of time for mobile speed cameras i just behave until ime clear of that particular area..

unless ime drunk and i dont hear the warning :eek:

JOKING

Ianto.W. 25-11-2006 20:48

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 340786)
did you ever stop to think that if people didn't speed over the limit we might save lives rather than 60 quid ?

Got to say it you are so right Mancie.

jimmi5bellies 25-11-2006 21:19

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Has anybody noticed the increased usage of these mobile vans on the bridges over the motorways. Drove under two yesterday coming back from Scotland, luckily the motorway was wet and everybody was going slower than usual.

Did you also know, if you are caught with one of these mobile ones on a motorbike you can ask which machine was used and if it was calibrated for bikes as most of them were not the last time we was told about them.

cashman 25-11-2006 23:24

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sorry silvermain if yer mum was speeding she asked for it. i,m no saint but if you get caught i say pay the piper dont bitch about it.

entwisi 26-11-2006 00:48

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latest lasers are accurate to > 1km (2/3rds mile) . As for staying in speed limit, read precious threads, we've been here before........................

chav1 26-11-2006 01:26

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 341102)
latest lasers are accurate to > 1km (2/3rds mile) . As for staying in speed limit, read precious threads, we've been here before........................


no they are not acurate at all and its been proven but the police or whoeverwont admit it as the cost of replacing them woudl cut into teh profits of teh takings they make on innocent motorists

the latest cameras in some cases showed that a stationary car was traveling at 8mph

not much but if u get nicked for doing 34 mph you could have actualy been way under the spee limit

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its also been proven that lazers react differently when bouncing back off water like when i car is wet when raining

MITZY 26-11-2006 07:01

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Did she not get offered the speed awareness course? (Only available if you where doing less than 38 in a 30 limit and only once in 3 years.) I know some-one who has just been on one of these cost £85 but no points and in their opinion well worth it, makes you think about your speed etc.

jambutty 26-11-2006 13:14

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Some people may not agree with whatever speed limits are set but it is the law and law should be obeyed at all times not just when it suits someone. Thus I have no sympathy for someone who gets caught breaking the speed limit. Although I accept that the speed can creep up unnoticed. But then drivers should concentrate on their driving and be aware of where they are and what they are doing and not natter to passengers or on mobile phones.

katex 26-11-2006 14:17

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Someone I know this week took the driving exercise rather than the 3 points and fine. Ok, so what you reply, 'cept she wasn't the one who was driving at the time; it was her husband whose job relies on his licence. I was horrified, particularly when someone in the conversation remarked "Lots of people do this " ! "That doesn't make it right though, does it ?" I replied.

Suppose they think 'cause only speeding is fair game, wonder if they had been drink driving, would have thought the same .. just leaves them free to do it again.

I know Jambutty is not into the big brother thingy, but the sooner the cameras that show a little more clearly the person who is driving the better as far as I am concerned !!

chav1 26-11-2006 14:19

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but when the equiptment they are using is giving false readings many motorists are been given 3 points and fines wrongly

i have no problem putting my hand up if i get caught but getting 3 points and a fine for somthing i didnt do would pee me off and although you can ask when teh camera was last calibrated etc calibrating somthing that dosnt work in teh first place is futile

and like i said earlierthere are many more crimes that go unpunished ,speed cameras are just an easy tax on motorists

it seems teh only driving crime punishable is speeding because a camera does teh work whereas all teh other road crimes require an officer to get off his lazy fat arse and do somthing which unfortunatly dosnt happen much

jambutty 26-11-2006 17:45

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Actually chav1 cameras will also show motorists entering a box junction when the exit is not clear and getting stuck in the box and also red light jumpers and amber gamblers. Those last two are more dangerous than someone narrowly exceeding the speed limit.

If the motorist wants to get rid of all the ‘spy’ cameras the solution is quite simple. Obey the Highway Code. Is that too difficult for some people to understand? I guess it is.

entwisi 26-11-2006 17:57

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Chav
There are new laser guns that don't suffer the issue you mention, plus the way they work they are able to cathc you at well over 1km.(The laser only needs a 1/2 second lock on you to get a reading.

panther 26-11-2006 18:34

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dont speed you dont get flashed, simple

chav1 26-11-2006 19:11

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 341342)
Actually chav1 cameras will also show motorists entering a box junction when the exit is not clear and getting stuck in the box and also red light jumpers and amber gamblers.


in hudersfield the traffic lights flash you when you go through amber

the driving rules state that it is ok to go through amber so they shouldnt be getting flashed , simple as that otherwise every driving instructor and driving examiner in the country is wrong

flashy 26-11-2006 19:14

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just been talking to one of my mates on the phone, she was going towards the traffic lights on whitebirk road the other week and got zapped by a mobile police camera, she got fined £60 and six points on her license, she cant understand why or how she was speeding though,she was coming up to traffic lights...how?

entwisi 26-11-2006 19:16

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the rules say that you should STOP unless it is unsafe to do so!!!!!

Even when it is safe to do so though some idiots who believe what you do drive in the back of you and break your back though. And yes I speak from experience.

chav1 26-11-2006 19:22

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 341404)
the rules say that you should STOP unless it is unsafe to do so!!!!!

Even when it is safe to do so though some idiots who believe what you do drive in the back of you and break your back though. And yes I speak from experience.

then it is legal to go through on amber how the hell does a camera know if its safe or not, they should not be flashing until a red light is violated , pretty simple realy :rolleyes:

if you got slammed into at an amber light then obviously it wasnt safe to stop and you should have gone through it

i cant be the only person in the country that has noticed teh lights change to amber as you are almost right next to them , by your rules i should slam on and have the guy behind ram me up the arse, the cameras shoudl not trigger until red as that is teh only colour on teh traffic lights that it is illigal to go through

if they want money for going through on amber then going through on amber shoudl be made illigal but up to yet it isnt

entwisi 26-11-2006 19:33

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Nope, it was safe to stop. The person behind me in her own words said, "Oh hes a biker, I thought he'd go through so I accelerated to nip through after him, by the time I saw hed stopped I was going too fast."

I agree that it shouldn't trigger till red

The correct method to use is to set a point in the road and simply if you reach that point before it goes to amber you go through, if it changes before you stop. I actually find there is normally the arrows painted on the road that is at a suitable point

chav1 26-11-2006 20:31

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hey i agree its daft that people accelerate to get through on amber i was just trying to make my point that the cameras shuoldnt trigger until red , becaue they trigger on amber (and i speak from experience) peopel are slamming on at the amber lights which although may get you a nice compensation claim if somone rams you from behind can still be very dangerous and painfull

maybe anothe colour is needed lol

green = go

amber = lights gonna change soon

blue = i said lights are gonna change soon

red = ok bloody stop will ya

katex 26-11-2006 21:17

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 341455)
hey i agree its daft that people accelerate to get through on amber i was just trying to make my point that the cameras shuoldnt trigger until red , becaue they trigger on amber (and i speak from experience) peopel are slamming on at the amber lights which although may get you a nice compensation claim if somone rams you from behind can still be very dangerous and painfull

maybe anothe colour is needed lol

green = go

amber = lights gonna change soon

blue = i said lights are gonna change soon

red = ok bloody stop will ya

I think it is quite sensible to accelerate if the lights change to amber if you are next in line at the lights and would be dangerous to suddenly slam on at amber due to the fear of someone hitting you up the backside >> sorry Entwisi. Problem is, you have to be aware that someone may do this. The old question isn't it ? What does it mean if the lights are on green ... "Means go?" "No, means they can change at any minute to warn you to stop"

entwisi 27-11-2006 07:03

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We aren't talking of people 'slamming on' that would clearly fall into the not safe to stop catagory. I suffered because someone didn't pay attention, made assumptions and was in the ususal impatient manner that a lot of drivers seem to be.

I had stopped and put my foot down before she hit me, so based on she would have been at least 20 ft behind me before we started braking and the fact I stopped 6ft before the line (And I didn't slam on, I slowed down to a stop as normal) she could have easily stopped and therefore it was safe to stop so she clearly should have done.

"Don't be an Amber Gambler!" :D

jambutty 27-11-2006 08:08

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Sorry katex but your interpretation of the meaning of green is erroneous.

Taken from http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs01.htm
RED - means 'Stop'. Wait behind the stop line on the carriageway.
RED & AMBER - also means 'Stop'. Do not pass through or start until GREEN shows.
GREEN - means you may go on if the way is clear. Take special care if you intend to turn left or right and give way to pedestrians who are crossing.
AMBER - means 'Stop' at the stopline. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident.
A GREEN ARROW - may be provided in addition to the full green signal if movement in a certain direction is allowed before or after the full green phase. If the way is clear you may go but only in the direction shown by the arrow. You may do this whatever other lights may be showing. White light signals may be provided for trams.

WillowTheWhisp 27-11-2006 08:59

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Excellent Jambutty. Perhaps people would do well to remind themselves of that from time to time. How many people who have passed their test will tell you "Green means go, red means stop and amber means get ready to stop."

We were once stopped by the police for "speeding" along Hyndburn Road when other cars were actually overtaking us but as we were (even according to our own speedo) doing more than 30mph at the time we really didn't feel justified in complaining about it.

I do think sometimes it's taken to extremes and there are also many other causes of accidents. Sometimes constant checking of your speedo can mean you don't have your eyes on the road and could miss a child darting out in front of you for instance. We've had that too - a kid lying horizontal on a skateboard careering down the pavement suddenly hit a stone or something which sent him off course and into the road right in front of us. It frightened me to death. :eek:

There is also the point that some of these hand held devices have been proved to be inaccurate and even take a small movement of the arm holding the thing into account and add it to the speed of a vehicle being 'clocked'. But wanting to know where speed cameras are just so you can avoid them and exceed the limit elsewhere is not a particularly brilliant idea.

entwisi 27-11-2006 09:32

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but they aren't speed cameras, they are safety cameras (well according to our gov they are) so knowing where they are should tell you where accident blackspots are (Yeah, right!)

jambutty 27-11-2006 11:10

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Thanks WillowTheWhisp.

Any driver worthy of the name should be able to judge his/her speed without constantly looking at the speedo, especially at 30 mph. Well they should if they are ‘in tune’ with the car. I don’t know about anyone else but I can ‘feel’ the speed at 30 mph. There is a car vibration ‘feel’ about travelling at 30 mph in top or next to top gear. There is a different ‘feel’ about my car at different speeds even with the radio/DVD player belting out my driving music.

It is all about concentration and being aware of the road, not just ahead in the road but the pavements too. If you see a child or children on the pavement, a driver should be ready for one of them to do something silly. Nowadays that also applies to adults especially near a pub or in town. If you see an animal ahead on the pavement not on a leash, expect it to dash across the road. I’m not suggesting that you should slow down and irate drivers behind you, just be ready for the unexpected and gain half a second before having to take action.

Unfortunately we drivers are not blessed with X-Ray vision so we will not see someone stepping into the road from behind a parked vehicle. Having said that if there are pedestrians on the pavement then you have to expect it to happen. If you are overtaking a bus that has stopped to disembark passengers you have to expect that some clown will to try and cross the road in front of it. Everyone seems to be in such a hurry to get to hospital or the morgue these days that many pedestrians seem to have lost the art of crossing the road safely, not just for them but also for the traffic. It’s amazing how many pedestrians will see a car approaching, look away and still step out onto the road.

My worst nightmare is approaching a blind bend on a country road where I am on the inside of the bend. Oncoming traffic will invariable cut their corner, leaving me with nowhere to go.

Ianto.W. 27-11-2006 11:23

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My late father said, a motor car should be driven by the seat of your pants, it tells you when to change gear, when the engine is labouring you can feel it on your backside, as jambutty said it is basicly experience and attention to the task in hand, today there are to many in car distractions, and there are far to many speed traps.

silvermain 27-11-2006 12:29

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 340786)
did you ever stop to think that if people didn't speed over the limit we might save lives rather than 60 quid ?

Mancie are you trying to tell me you have never gone over the limit at all? If so what a load of bullocks. And look at me surronded by angels saying oh its your own fault, i never spedd etc etc.I dont believe you if you say you havent everyone as at some point. And i aint bitching about it as its her license not mine just wondering if people knew of anymore out there and thought it might prove useful to other users on here. Only place id speed is on the motorway and thats if my car could speed

chav1 28-11-2006 00:40

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remember folks if your speeding with your eyes closed it dosnt count ;)

jaysay 28-11-2006 04:28

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I have to say that I was never been done for speeding, or should i say never got caught that is, except once. Unfortuneatly I dont drive now, but the one time I got pulled was back in the 70s, well before speed cameras. I was on my way to Chorely in the works van and was travelling down the duel carriage way into the town when a cop jumpt out in front of me with his had up, he was lucky really. I stopped and he told me I was doing 38 in a 30 mile zone, I said I didn't realise it was was 30 mile zone on a duel carriage way, he said that ignorance was no excuse and gave me a ticket. I went home that night and wrote a grovelling letter to the chief constable of Chorley and hoped for the best. Some three weeks later I got a reply saying that on this occasion no futher action would be taked, but the offence would stay on the file and would be used if I ofended again. I didn't and it hasn't

WillowTheWhisp 28-11-2006 08:16

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 341644)
Thanks WillowTheWhisp.

Any driver worthy of the name should be able to judge his/her speed without constantly looking at the speedo, especially at 30 mph. Well they should if they are ‘in tune’ with the car. I don’t know about anyone else but I can ‘feel’ the speed at 30 mph. There is a car vibration ‘feel’ about travelling at 30 mph in top or next to top gear. There is a different ‘feel’ about my car at different speeds even with the radio/DVD player belting out my driving music.

I can understand that you can tell the difference between 30mph and 40 or 50mph but can you honestly tell if your speed has crept up slightly? If you're going along at 30mph and everyone is overtaking you, can you really tell if you creep up to 32 or 35? I must admit I'm not actually driving but as a passenger in our car I honestly can't say that 32 or even 35 feels any different to 30mph. That's why speed can crep up on people without them noticing. I don't think speeding fines are appropriate for a few miles over - what does work better are those signs which light up telling you that you're doing 35 and it should be 30.

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 342063)
I said I didn't realise it was was 30 mile zone on a duel carriage way, he said that ignorance was no excuse and gave me a ticket.

Isn't it something to do with whether it's a residential area or not?

chav1 28-11-2006 11:16

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Originally Posted by jaysay
I said I didn't realise it was was 30 mile zone on a duel carriage way, he said that ignorance was no excuse and gave me a ticket.
i can think of one dual carrage way that i usd to use a lot where the trees ,bushes etc had over grown to the extent they covered the 30mp sighn and if you can prove this you have grounds to appeal and get the ticket quashed , usualy a photo will do

the council are supposed to maintain trees , bushes etc so that all roadsighns and speed cameras are visable to motorists :)

jambutty 28-11-2006 13:15

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How can a pedestrian cop without any equipment prove what speed you were travelling at jaysay? He can’t unless it is excessively over the limit and even then he can’t quote a figure. I think that he saw you coming and was looking for Brownie points, knowing that most motorists (in the 70’s) wouldn’t argue with a cop. You got let off, because the police would not be able to PROVE in court what your speed was – it was only a cop’s opinion and that isn’t proof. However grovelling letters can lessen any sentence especially if it includes something to the effect that you have learned to be more aware of your speed and will in future conform to any speed limits.

No I cannot tell if my speed has crept up a few miles per hour WillowTheWhisp BUT I am aware that it can happen and being aware I look out for it happening. Like down an incline or being ‘pushed’ by the traffic flow.

According to the Highway Code at www.highwaycode.gov.uk/ built up areas where there are street lights usually means 30 mph speed limit unless there are signs showing another limit.

chav1 28-11-2006 15:10

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have you been on the road between rishton and great harwood it cracks me up how there is a 50mph sighn then 100 yars or even less there is a 30mph sighn

anyone new to the area could see teh 50 sighn and by teh tiem they spot teh 30 sighn be speeding because they wernt allerted in time

also this is where mobile speed units like to hide becaue of that very reason , near the pub but i cant recall its name

its practicaly entrapment

harwood red 28-11-2006 21:59

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 342170)
have you been on the road between rishton and great harwood it cracks me up how there is a 50mph sighn then 100 yars or even less there is a 30mph sighn

anyone new to the area could see teh 50 sighn and by teh tiem they spot teh 30 sighn be speeding because they wernt allerted in time

also this is where mobile speed units like to hide becaue of that very reason , near the pub but i cant recall its name

its practicaly entrapment

The pub you're talking about is harwoods, more a restaurant nowadays. i do know of a couple of people who have been done there in the past but not lately.

A bad one is brownhill drive where it goes from a 50 to a 40 then 30 in less than 100 yards...!

chav1 28-11-2006 22:04

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thats what i mean teh locals knw about thse idiotic sighns but people passing through are very vulnerable to surprise fines and points :mad:

harwood red 28-11-2006 22:21

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It's amazing but most people tend to get caught when it comes to mobile traps nearer to their homes as you get more complacent as you know the roads so well and maybe aren't as on the ball..

As I found out a few weeks ago :mad:


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