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I am aware that this subject has been discussed by our 'esteemed members' but not by myself and probably not by a number of the recent members, so what is your opinion on, 'life after death'

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Yes I believe in it. :D

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how can there be life after death? when life means being alive! well your not your dead!! sorry but when you gone you gone, thats it! nothing!
it would be nice if there was though.
im one of these who as lost family and wondered, but noones come back to tell me, sorry but seeing is believing!

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how do you know thats what life means though? and how do you know that when your gone your gone? have you ever experienced death?...i lost my mum 15 years ago, i do believe in life after death, and i do believe my mums watching over me, bit like i say...each to there own :)

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Life after death is quite a controversial subject in my opinion, personally as a member of our local spiritualist church I would say yes the soul does exist after the state that we call death. I have had evidence of survival presented to me at meetings by various mediums, and also mediums have said things to me that I could not recall at all, I guess that some people are better at translating the messages than others. Having said that I guess it is very much up to the individual with life after death as it is with God I suppose you either believe or you don't.

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thats what you believe in!
I dont, like God, do you believe in that too?

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A friend of mine is a member of a spiritualist church in Blackburn, he took me and another friend to a seance, it was conducted by a well known spiritualist, this woman had a 'spirit guide' an American Red Indian, this chap came up with all sorts of answers to the questions from the audience, it certainly made yours truely think.

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I think Panther's question was for me Willow, the answer is yes I believe in God but I'm not sure if he is male or female as really he doesn't have to be because he does not need to reproduce, I believe there is only one God who created all things, also I believe there are angels both in the body and in spirit, how many times have you met a person who radiates well being and you know instinctively that you can trust them?, these are the angels on the Earth, the ones in spirit work behind the scenes so to speak and create what we refer to as good luck, this is my belief and I do not wish to persuade anyone to follow it as we all are entitled to our own decisions regarding religion.

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like they say....friends are just angels without wings

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Yes, I absolutely believe in life after death. I believe, as a follower of Jesus Christ and in the guidance from the Holy Scriptures that once absent from the body I'll be in the presence of God. I would stake my life on this belief. I would also hope to sacrifice my life for anyone, especially one who doesn't believe this, in an effort to save them from the alternative.

Brian

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I've got mine ;) they might be getting a bit longer at the minute and in need of clipping :D

Sorry nothing more productive to add. It's interesting reading peoples different views on this. One thing is for sure ..... I'll find out one day whether there is or isn't life after death :)

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But you're a fairy not an angel. :) You'll be getting dizzy too if you keep twirling about like that all the time. :D

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Have you ever visited a new town in the course of your work, or on holiday,and found yourself at your destination with no guide or assitance from anyone, uncanny is it not, you know you have been there before, but have you?

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I believe that there is life after death and one of the things I miss about Preston is Our little Spiritualist Church.
Unlike Willow I believe that God is both Male and Female. An entity, force that is all around us.
We don't die but just leave this old over coat behind that we no longer need and move on to another plane.
On the other plane we carry on evolving and have a role to play. perhaps we are even re-born back here on earth but I'm not sure about that.
They even have hospitals on the other side for the poor souls who have passed over suddenly.

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Hmmm, I used to have a re-occurring dream that I was a young catholic (I'm not catholic) girl, about 17 years old, sat on the steps of a church crying. I knew I was catholic in the dream but have never known the reason I was crying, I just know it was for something really bad that happened. It seems real, when I wake up I still felt the distress the young catholic girl was feeling but didn't know why. Thankfully I haven't had the dream for about 12 month now. Us humans are a weird bunch ;)

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No, have always had to rely on a map, although some town/village centres are very similar, and could believe same planner, and I have travelled all over the U.K. for work.

I don't believe in an afterlife at all, blah, blah, blah, but respect other people's beliefs if it helps them to live a better life whilst they are here.

I like to think that just being a good person is satisfying (Ok speaking yer mind now and then doesn't count .. OK ! :p ) Just want to enjoy now what years I have got left, just in case there aint nowt else. :D

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It would be nice to have a quick look over the 'other side', will I need a toothbrush? Is there anyone to avoid, if you can, it's hard enough to do that here, seriously katex you would if you got chance.

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last thing anyone could accuse me of = being a bible basher but i honestly believe there is an afterlife i.e. you croak but yer soul lives on,i have seen too many things personally in my life to think any differant,can understand why some people do not think so,but dont really give a rats,thats there opinion an there entitled to it.;)

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The reason I raised the subject willow, is it has happened to myself on several occasions, what form we will appear in is in the good Lords hands, on a lighter note I hope it is not as next doors cat.

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not a new town as such,but once apparently i spoke fluent french to a lady on little blackburn road, and i dont know any french (past ER verbs etc) the lady who could speak it told me i was fluent a couple of days after. that little story is GOSPEL.

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I wouldn't mind being one of our cat's They've got the life of Riley! :D

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In another life, I'd love to be that fly on the wall :)

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Well I've heard it all now, talk about tall stories, your pulling it cashman, is that all she taught you?:cool:

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unlike some mate i dont bullsh**.

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sorry ,after living in 3 war zones (Rhodesia,Zaire,Iran) and seeing what man can do to other men, women and children I am convinced we (humans) are no better than animals with a very thin veneer of civilization , though that doesn't stop me from hoping that there is something on the 'other' side ........didn't someone once say ......."there is no such thing as an atheist on his deathbed"

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Sorry put it like that I have to believe you, you didn't happen to get her name did you?

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cant remember,talkin late 60s.

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from what i can remember willow,its very vague nearly 40 years on,i was talking about paris and some cafe on the left bank, also about a cathedral in bolongne the notre damn i had never visited france or been abroad at that time either, but i went a couple of years after.

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Looking at life and death from one dimension is like watching black and white television, we should not discount the things we feel and sometimes witness but do not understand, as it is one of the mysteries of our stay on earth, we have met before? i've been here before?, havent I?, no it is not the Merlot!

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I certainly believe that we pass in to another realm when we die, like a few on here I’m a spiritualist although it’s a mixture of both pagan and Christian values. I also believe that on earth we are guided although we don’t always hear or listen to those who are around us.

Like many I have witness many mediums give proof to those that seek it, and like many I have had messages that can’t be disputed by those who don’t really believe, I say can’t because when people who do not know you and who you have had no previous contact with, tell you intimate details about people who have passed or details of you own life that other could not possibly have known you run out of excuses not to believe.

Like anywhere you get good and bad in the church and in people, who exploit mediumship to better themselves rather than help others, but the movement works to combat these through the Church and its main body the Spiritualists' National Union.

Passing is part of our journey through life, we may have one earthly existence or many, like us, spirits people come in all shapes and sizes and on the whole have work to do on the other side, that’s why our loved ones haven’t always got time to hang around us, they have already been here and learnt from it.

I also believe that some spirits dwell on earth in an effort to change the direction of those who take a darker path through life, but we must keep in mind that man wanted and got free will, that’s why a lot of the **** still happens in our lives, we can change our direction on the passing of a thought or by committing a good deed rather than a bad one. We all do it. Ask yourself if you do it enough. And yes, I believe in the existence and the presence of Angels.

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Life after death is a myth perpetrated by religions in an attempt to keep their followers in check or to do the religious leaders bidding.

If no one believed in “Life After Death”, how many suicide bombers would there be? Not too many I would suggest. If no one believed in “Life After Death” how many wars would be fought?

So I don’t believe in “Life After Death” in the classic sense.

However my body functions because of coordinating commands from my brain (the least understood organ in the human body) and those commands are transmitted using electrical and chemical energy. The operative word there being energy.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed only changed from one form to another. Thus when I die the energy animating my body cannot just disappear. I half believe that when I die the energy leaves my body to join with and mix into Universal energy to be used in part or whole to animate a newly formed body. This could explain how some people ‘remember’ past lives or have knowledge of places that they have never seen or heard of before because more than a tiny amount of previous energy from one person is used to animate another.

Maybe it is this ‘energy’ that some people refer to as the soul?

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Come from generations of Methodists. Went to Church and Sunday School until the age of sixteen, and glad of that fact. Had a road to Damascus conversion, but in reverse, at sixteen. Am now quite happily an Atheist.

Hopefully respect people's religious beliefs, and understand why mankind from the dawn of time need to believe in something greater than life itself. I don't, and therefore don't belive in anything after life ends.

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I believe in life after death.....or at least the existence of our spirits beyond the grave. My nursing background meant that I have seen quite a few people take their last breath....and things happened that convince me that we do go on.

Also, and you can believe me, or not (it is your choice)......some four and a half years ago my mother was diagnosed with a very uncommom cancer.
I nursed her and was in the unenviable position of telling her the diagnosis.......we didn't know what the prognosis would be.
Ma took the news very stoically......I was fine while I had my uniform on.....but once I got home and changed into mufti.....I was wrecked.
I came upstairs to try to distract myself with some work I was doing on the computer for work. I switched on the machine and the blue screen came on and in a little box in the middle of the screen was the message 'I'm here'.......and in the room was a very definite smell of cigarette smoke.
The message stayed on the screen for no more than 5 or 6 seconds and then the operating system loaded as normal. My father who died some 10 years earlier did not believe in the after life, but I took that message to be from him.......he was very interested in electrical things...and he smoked.
No-one smokes in our house and that was the only conclusion that i could draw from these events. During my mothers treatments I would often come up here to my computer and 'feel' Dads presence and smell cigarette smoke.
Once Mum was better these kind of events no longer happened.

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Can I just ask those that are into mediumship, why are the messages from the deceased, supposedly, from our loved ones so vague?

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It depends on the Medium. Some are very good, clear and concise, others aren’t. I understand that messages are like receiving a long distance phone call on a very bad line, meaning that the medium must work very hard to get the information through clearly, often messages are just a memory picked up form the spirit wishing to let a loved one know they are around. Some messages come by images put into the mediums mind which can be misinterpreted.

Some messages I have had have been work related, passing advice on how to proceed or not, often relaying back information that no one else could have know without someone (Spirit) being there.

Messages relating to family matters or intimate memories cannot really be disputed because only I and the person who had passed over could know about them. I have myself been shocked by the accuracy of the information.

All I would ever ask of anyone is not to go on first impressions, you need to see a few good mediums and be truthful with them to get a good message, be open and think hard about the information your been given, It is not always going to be a family member or close friend that comes through, some time it can even be a relative you never met or even knew you had. You often need to work with the information to get a clearer picture.

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Thanks for your answer Doug, this subject has always interested me.

Just a few more questions :)

You say

If a great uncle twice removed (you get my point ;) ) can come through with a message, that doesn't really make much sense immediately, why can't a close relative come through with a very clear, concise message?

I'm not denying some people have had un-disputable messages, Margaret Pilkingtons post was very inspiring, I hope it was message from her Father ... the main thing is though she herself felt comfort from whatever happened that day. So if our departed loved ones know we gain comfort from having them around us and can get messages to us, why do some people never hear from family members that have made pacts were when one passes over they will come back and let the surviving person know that their is more after we pass away?

Also, if spirits are around us and want us to know they are there, why is there no un-disputable photographic evidence? Some claim to have images of spirits, some claim to receive messages others claim to have felt spirits around them yet no-one can prove their existence.

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OK, please understand this is my personal feeling on the matter and not a qualified response. You can’t just turn up and expect to get a clear and concise message; you yourself have to put some work in as well. Before you go to see a medium or a spiritualist church you must put some time aside to think of those you might want to hear from. Don’t think of silly things you want to ask, they have better things to do. If you are hurting for someone who has passed you’re much more likely to hear form them, but it’s not guaranteed.

More often with me it’s been my dad, my Grandma and my great, great grandfather who have communicated messages, mostly memories just to clarify that it is them, and I mean memories that only I can relate too, not just something pulled out of the air.

Often they are there around you, mostly in time of stress or pain, and you don’t need a medium for them to be with you, you just have to have a need. You don’t even need to know that they are there to receive healing, and healing can come in many forms. Including physical and mental health, comfort or in making a right decision, think of the times when you have faced difficulty and then just found the answer.

Why the hell should they do all the work for us. They have been here and done it, nobody helped them and they had it far harder than we will ever have it. It take a lot of energy for a spirit to communicate and often many will come together to get through to people, but please accept that they aren’t there for us to have an easy passage through life, we are here to learn from our lives on earth. And take this to heart; if we knew for certain what lay ahead, we would be topping ourselves left, right and centre.

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Ahhh well, cheers Doug. I can't say personally I've ever felt spirits of loved ones around me, not even in times of dire need. I've also seen a few mediums but have never received even a vaguely recognisable message. I think I've mentioned before I even got told off by one medium for telling the truth, that what she was saying bore no resemblance to me.

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Tinks.......you were right...I gained strength and courage from knowing that my Dad was around. Just after he died I went to see James Byrne at the Civic theatre in Ossy......I was desperate to know that my Dad knew that I loved him and missed him......we could never say to him the things we felt before he died, as my Mum insisted that he not be told he was dying.......I was very upset about that and felt I had missed the opportunity to say how I felt....i also felt that i had been deceitful to my Dad, but couldn't go against my mothers wishes as it felt disrespectful......I was aching for him to come through for me and was very disappointed when he didn't. Then a friend who understands more about the spiritual world told me that it would take a supreme effort on my Dads part to send a message to me and that it was only a short time since he had 'passed over'...and that he had been so very poorly when he died....that maybe he was still getting his strength. I don't know if what she said was true...or whether it was just to comfort me......but it did seem to make sense.
I hope that doesn't make me sound like some sort of gullible old f@rt.

Since that time my Mum has been to see a very good medium and she has had messages from my Dad....things that only he and my Mum could know.
So I guess I am convinced that there is something more to life than meets the eye.

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You certainly will not, I/we have all had similar experiences or we would not even have read the thread let alone contributed to it.

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No it doesn't make you sound like a gullible old f@rt. :)

It's lovely when people have these positive experiences, because that really is all we want to know, that these loved ones we thought so much of in life are still with us in spirit and that maybe one day we'll see them again when our time comes.

I've just never been lucky enough to have any positive experiences, only negatives that have left me doubting mediums, not their intentions which I believe are good intentions, just their actual ability ..... but maybe one day I will get my message that I want to hear so much :)

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Sorry katex, quote should have read Margaret Pilkington.

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Tinkabelle hun, it took them 40 odd years to get back to me with a message and then, I had to go out and look for a way for that to happen. Go to a spiritualist church and give it time, you'l need to go regularly, maybe a Sunday Afternoon for an hour or so and see what comes. There is one in Blackburn, go with someone and go with an open mind, but don't expect it to just happen.

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[quote=Margaret Pilkington;341919]
I hope that doesn't make me sound like some sort of gullible old f@rt. /quote]

I love you Mrs P. Gullible old Fart you'll never be. :)

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Been to the Spiritualist Church in Blackburn Doug and the one in Clitheroe (that's were I got the telling off from a supposed excellent medium). I've had had 3 private sittings with various mediums and attended a few places were mediums have been doing thier thing.

Slinky will confirm, whilst we were on holiday there was a medium on during the afternoon on the camp site, 1st person she spoke to was me, the very first thing out of her mouth "I'm getting Accrington". Me, Slinky and one other lady put our hands up, she said she was with me and said she had a message first from Len and that Mick was trying to come through aswell ......... it took all I could muster not to giggle, I just thought bloody hell I'm on my hols and the mods on accyweb are still after me lol! :eek:

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:eek: Hey I hope not, there's only me ventures in there! It's a weird place!! :D

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No **** :D

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:cool: "Is there anyone there i've run out of Merlot":D

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ROFLMAO!!! Yeah you buggers should leave us alone when we are on holiday.:)

Not a person to take things literally and always analyse everything, this woman did get certain things right with me.

First she said about the Accrington with Tinks. Then she moved on. Then she mentioned Accrington again, then said " someone here came on holiday as a last minute thing. They didn't plan to come, it just happened very suddenly" then she said " I'm getting the name Diane". :eek:

Me and Ginger had only decided to go away with Tinks,Mthead and my mum (Diane) on the sunday night as they were leaving on the Monday. ( What a rush Job to pack):D well worth it though! great holiday.......

But it did make me think later. Not a kind of WOOOOOW that was excellent! Just a ........Hmmmm that was spooky.:)

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ER contary to popular belief Len and Me are not dead yet Tinks:eek:

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Yeah that's true!! but god knows what you two can come up with when pushed to it lol.:)

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Yes well Len was saying we would have to keep in touch with you on holiday to keep the bad language to a minimum:) and to maintain the reputation of Accyweb:rolleyes:
And we did get a bit worryed when we found out you where going as well .
so we thought we had better have a word ;)
But as we are both NOT dead we have to use "astral projection" to keep an eye on members on hoilday:p
This is a new addon to the mods with the new software update it helps us to contact members not connected to the site or on holiday as its new we are still playing with it thats why we did not make contact with you only the "medium"

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........... :rofl38:

Now I know, when I'm next on my hols I'll put my 'astral projection' answering machine on. :D

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I'm getting a 'p'.

Yes, my guide has confirmed I'm defintely getting a 'p'.

http://www.oldmilltoronto.com/Pics/Fortune%20teller.gif

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Aye, That'll be 'p' for Pilock.........:rolleyes: :D

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do you lot believe there aliens out there?:confused:

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nobody??:confused: then why do you believe in god when you never seen him either!!!! emmmmmmmm;)

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Here is something to ponder then if there is life after death. Everything in the universe is ment to be a constant so if as the boffins maintain the universe is expanding like a ballon and we are on the skin then what happens? Well by my reckoning there would be a big bang again and everything starts over again so its in a constant cycle of birth death birth death birth death a bit like in the Matrix films when its hinted that the fight goes on eon after eon without a real end.

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u seen it on telly thats why you know its there! etc....

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I saw it in the bottom of a glass of wine, it has to be real.

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HUH! :unsure8: Are you trying to say Dr Who's tardis isn't real? :sad8:

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Its real just not "real" real.

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No way! I'm not having that! :nono8: How can The Doctor travel between worlds if the tardis isn't real? :tongue8:

You'll be telling me Santa isn't real next! :unsure8:

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Cant be as he would have more sense than todrink Coca Cola when he has a busy night ahead and no chance of it pit stop. Aint seen an airline style loo on his slay though I might be missing something. :confused: :Banane12: