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The other night my son went on the lash with a few lads from his barracks ,anyway while in this club one of his mates had a bit of a run in with another lad, so my son intervened and went to hold his arms out to try and calm his mate down when all of a sudden he found himself on the floor being kicked and punched with 4/5 of these bouncers .
The only way he could stop them was to pretend to pass out and he heard one of em say" back off lads hes stopped breathing ",when one of them tried to check him out he let rip and knocked two of them out but was still held down by the ones left. Now Im all for lets keep trouble out of the pubs and clubs but is it really nessesary for these gorillas to work in groups when all he was doing was trying to calm his mate down and get him out of the club without the bouncers being involved, or am i just getting out of it and is this how they do it these days? On a more relaxed note ive told him i feel like beating him myself for letting them get the better of him although there were 4/5 of them lol!! |
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i hate bouncers 5 to beat one person they should be shot at birth or send em to irak glad he knocked two of them out well done
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a propper bouncer is supposed to drag you out side with force if needed and leave you there then call the police if you cause any more trouble as it is no longet the bouncers problem once you are in te street
they are not suppose to knock te crap out of you and to be honest the days of that type of doormen are coming to an end now that been a doorman is regulated whereas anyone used to be able to do teh doors its a bit more fussy now most doormen i have had runins with have been pretty decent about things but as usual there are always teh bad few from what yu decribed you coud probably get their doormen cards removed if a complaint was made with witneses and them out of a job edit: mani and accyjay may be best to comment on this i only know a bit coz my mate used to run a security firm that provided doormen for pubs and clubs but we didnt talk about the ins and outs of it much |
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I dont think they,d cope with Iraq madmal they would probably crap themselves at the thought of going there .
chav1 I was under the same impression , that they were no longer allowed to inflict BH but i think there are still those left that because of the job they do the power goes to their head , but I doubt very much it would be the same story if they were the one on the recieving end going into a pub , Ive come across some decent bouncers in my time but apperently these guys had a bit of a thing about squaddies, but still no excuse for what they did .. |
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well done yer lad cherokee,had many a run in with the gorillas in my youth and it seems like nothing changes much,rules and laws are all well and good if they got the I.Q. to understand them, sadly some aint.
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I don’t believe that these days doormen are anywhere near as bad as they used to be in the late 70tis an 80tis. In those days they were just local thugs, better managed today.
I don’t want to be a fun spoiler but something more must have gone on that you weren’t told about. 4 or 5 doormen don’t just suddenly decide to kick the cr*p out of someone for no reason, there must be more. For a start, how does somebody knock two large doormen out while being held down, perhaps a little Jack a Nory creeping in here. |
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thats happend to my brother except only fing that they hurt on him was his ear. he was fighting with 1 then another 3 jumped in and tried to batter him.
i dont like bouncers like that they aint doing there job proparly they jst try and bully people becuase they wont get done of police. |
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Dont think so shane , and hey as i wasnt there, I know my son hes no angel believe me but I do believe when he says he were tryin to get his mate out I believe that cus I do know they try and look out for thier own, there is no way he would antagonise a situation he knows he couldnt handle , would you? and who mentioned anything about large doormen ? Is it the in thing that doormen have to be large if so how does that explain the women that do the job these days . What I did say is that he was tryin to avoid a situation and he got the brunt of it and although a couple of other lads tried to calm it down the doormen wouldnt have any of it , and even when the police came one doorman still had hold of his neck , and it was the doorman that had his name taken , so im sorry but theres no jack o nory about it , Its fact!! |
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when i worked at shifters it was common place to see somone causing bother get the crap kicked out of them but these days most doormen are reserved and dont get into pub brawls anymore
i donttink you can even be a doorman with a criminal record tese days but years ago it was a requirement lol |
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I worked as a bouncer for 10 years on and off, mostly for the Bailly organisation who owned the Cavendish in Blackburn, I also worked at the Mecca, Anobells in Burnley and Marthone Grange, but most of the time for Bailly's. They used to give their staff training and their idea was use your mouth not your fists, use your fist only has a last resort and it worked for me. I did work for a lot of the time on back stage security, making sure that the artists were safe and things ran smoothly. I had some great times and was frequently in the dressing rooms with some top line stars, the best was Tommy Cooper, a full week at a laugh a minute, others were Lynn Paul, Carl Wayne (ex The Move, a real gent) Bernard Manning and a lot of top american groups. I once had a day out with Georgie Fame, we spent the afternoon locked in the Victoria up Manchest road Accy. So I had lots of good memeries of being a bouncer (por doorman as we liked to be called in those days, and thankfully not too many bad ones
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First of all i understand that some people don't like doorstaff very much, but please don't tar all off us with the same brush.
It is difficult to comment on exactly what happened, because none of us were there, however this may have happened. Quite frankly i'm appauled by what has been alledged. These idiots give all doorstaff a bad name & should be reported (HERE). All doorstaff must be licensed by the Security Industry Authority (SIA), if they are not licensed it is illegal for them to work & they could be fined up to £5000 or imprisoned for 6 months. Like all jobs in life there are some idiots. I know about 4 or 5 people who i will never work with. |
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Is it not time to state the obvious? If this young man and his mates had only beheaved themselves in a proper and civilised manner then what subsequently happened would not have been neccessary - including the posting of this thread.
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It’s a sad indictment of the modern society when clubs, pubs etc need bouncers.
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Accyjay first let me say by no means would I tar all bouncers/doormen with the same brush I have been round blackpool and the majority of doormen are spot on and know how to deal with the public infact you can have a damn good laugh with them ,even the lads who are lashed up and boisteress have fun with them and that in my opinion is because these guys know how to deal with the public .
Tealeaf as for you comment ,,sounds like you are jumping to conclusions and maybe you should step back and read my original post . As it happens my son was behaving himself and I think he was doing the right thing by trying to remove his mate from the premises by causing minimum fuss to anyone ,but as I wasnt there I dont know whether it was his mate or the other guy at fault but either way does this give the doormen the right to just jump in and beat the living daylights out of someone without even knowing what the problem was? I dont think so , as said earlier in this thread the correct procedure would be to evict them from the premises and then involve the nessesary authorities, not take the law into thier own hands and behave like thugs themselves. I know doormen should be licensed but as this thread has made us aware there are a few that are not and its these few that bahave like thugs and in this case it is the doormen that are being investigated , not my son |
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I worked as a 'bouncer' or doorman as i preferred to called for 5 years in glasgow city centre - I was officially licenced by the council and was courtious to every one that came into the pub/club, I dont really like telling folk I used to do it as you get stereo typed as a knuckle dragging gorilla with no brains...that is something I am not...far from it... decent education, worked all my days, never got in trouble with the poice..etc ..I only done as I was young - 21 at the time and saw it as a way to earn some extra cash, meet some females and get a free drink or 2...basically paid to go clubbing..but there were some places who seemed to have these stereo type guys on the door and all they did was look for a fight...but the flip side is that i also worked in places where the doorman ran the other way when a bit of trouble started and left me standing on my own...which is wrong but all in all I was lucky enough to work with genuine guys who treated folk with respect but also handled the situation correctly should one have arisen...in all the scuffles I did get involved in not once did I lift a finger out of place in regards to the other person/clubber..some common sense and a level head is required in that type of situation but alas some guys & girls who also work the door dont have that going for them...it is unfortunate what happened to your son and if it were me I wouldnt go back as this type of doorman will always be about...you live and learn but dont tar everyone with the same brush please....
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[quote=jaysay;342064 They used to give their staff training and their idea was use your mouth not your fists, use your fist only has a last resort and it worked for me. [/quote]
but i thought that using your fists was assult,not even the police are aloud to use their fists,so why doormen,is in it self defence only? |
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Sorry to hear about the incident first of all - i'd like to add a few things to the above
firstly not all doormen have low iq's i have a first class degree with honours in business and finance and last i checked i had a very respectable IQ. 2ndly - with any job u get ur good staff u get ur bad staff. not just bouncers but everything from bank ppl to the police. soem will go outta their way to help u others the opposite. 3rdly - what u have to understand is that doormen get told its a fight on the dance floor. upon arriving, as is their job they have to stop any fight and remove the culprits. having worked in a club nr soem barracks myself hte club had a policy of no military personnel for the simple reason of the percentage that wud b involved in fights. so hte doormen get there they see a group of guys in a arguement/fight they see ur sons mate most likely still fired up and automatically assume ur son is one of the guys involved. so upto that point - grabbing him and evicting him from the premises would've been the thing to do. as for their reaction of going 4 on one its hard to say. i'm not saying ur son is a trouble maker nor am i saying he's a liar but what happened when the doormen got there only the ppl there know for sure. if you do feel the need then as accyjay said there are procedures for this and i do have to say the SIA are very good at following thru with complaints *not that i've been in any* they will suspend the badges of these guys and revoke them if need be. the fines are hefty for any club/bar employin non-badged staff so it will b the bad apples taken outta the barrel so to speak. what will also help u is for u to get in touch with that area's pubwatch scheme as they do keep records or can put u in touch wiht ppl who will know how troublesome a venue ur son did go to and how the doormen behave in other cases and if they are heavy handed the police can tell them to change their doorteam |
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I was just wondering when doormen were made to sign up for the legal restrictions? and when "cab" drivers were made to apply for legallity.. was this a labour goverment that made these changes? ..just a poke at the people that seem to see any new laws made by this goverment are a restriction on human rights..
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Might i also add that nearly all doorstaff have to pay for their license themselves. Part 1 training course = £75 + VAT (£88) Part 2 training course = £75 + VAT (£88) License cost is £190 (non re-fundable, i.e. if your application is rejected, you don't get your money back). Grand total = £366 |
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Thanks for that mani and the procedures that both yourself and accyjay have mentioned are being followed , agree with the squaddie thing as i know they can be a pain, believe me, but as you say you get your good and bad in any job |
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in response to manis= not all doormen have low iqs, i can,t remember reading/writing anywhere that said all had! and you used to be one mani?:D
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