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Why do the police release statements to the media of the likes of "police are asking for information about the killing of 2 prostitutes".. are they prostitues? who has the right to judge them so early in the investigations? and even if they are why not just say the murder of 2 women?..they are falling into the same trap we had with the yorkshire ripper murders .. we were led on the lines that he only killed prostitutes but it was not true.. these murderd women leave kids.. they are victims of a monster who will kill anyone

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I agree, these murdered women are daughters of somebody, mothers, sisters, aunts etc.
Personally, i think prostitution should be legalised and in a controlled mannor. Regular check-ups, legal run houses etc. If they can do it in other countries why not here.
Would save these women from going out in dark back alleys risking their lives.

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agree mancie, the yorkshire ripper didn,t just kill prostitutes,yet the media led us to believe otherwise until much later in the day. and wether prostitution is legal or not is irrelavant these women are human. and so are there families.

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I’d also agree with your sentiments, these are women made vulnerable by the Law in which they trust will protect them and the rest of us from these ********. If anything good can come out of this it should be the legalisation of their trade and the closer protection of the community. I really do think that all aspects of the media should show due respect when innocent lives are taken and much greater thought for the families of those bereaved

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legalise prostitution? are you mad!:eek: these disgusting men go out kerb crawling at night to have paid sex! it should be banned!! then they go home to there girlfriends or wifes! the perverts i dont agree at all

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emmm some off that i agree with, but the one "Some men who do have partners don’t get the love they deserve from their partners and need an outlet"........sorry but dont agree with that!! thats just an excuse:mad:

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be fair

say a man called john smith gets murdered and his job was a banker the news will say john smith a banker was murdered today , it just so happens these women were prostitutes so thats what the news stated and if a woman eventualy gets murdered who is a banker ime sure her job will get a mention as well

the other side is

PROSTITUTE MURDERED as a headline will sell more papers then a headline saying WOMAN MURDERED

regardless of how it is reported as long as the police catch him thats the main thing

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there are 2 brothels in blackburn that advertise on the internet , well actualy they call themselves massage parlours but there aint no massage table but there is a 4 poster bed and you can choose from a variety of women to sit oin it with you

cant realy post the link in gen chat for obvious reasons but its a loop hole n the law that allows brothels in teh UK

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We're human, and yes some of us are heartless bastards, some of us just make mistakes. but it always take two. That dosn't mean we shouldn't protect and respect others.

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I know were your coming from Doug. Sexual urges are a basic animal instinct in men. Some men who don't get what they want in the bedroom department can live without it having to much of an effect on their life .... but some men can't! I'm glad these women are there to provide a service to these men so that they don't go out and get what they need by force.

I'm another vote for legalise it.

The original thread subject, yes Mancie I was disgusted with the emphasise being on the prostitution also.

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thanx to tony blair prostitution is now a means of a woman putting herself through university, not so long ago it was mostly women trying to feed drug habbits etc but now it is becoming a means for women desperate to better themselves to put them selves through university

in america women do prostitution and work as strippers to put themselves through university

another great idea tony blair has taken on from america :rolleyes:

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Just been on the news .... a second body has been found.

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Sorry willow, was on the 10pm news tonight. Didnt know it had been announced earlier. This girl has been missing since October and was found close by to the first body. Think they said she was only 19 years old. :(

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Upto now from what I know 2 bodies have been found , both prostitutes, an interview was given to other streetgirls tonight who knew both girls and last one i saw on news were saying "well i just hope same dosent happen to me" ER HELLO your in same area, doing same thing with possibly same person ... COME ON !!!!!

Im all for legalised prostitution in controlled envioroments ..At least we,ll know where they are and it makes it less unsafe.

but will we ever get rid of the (black market prostitution) IMHO ....no

There will always be girls high as a kite putting there life on the line , and as for the media ,Yes they are going to state that it was a prostitute just like previously said no matter what line of work your in it will get mentioned ..

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I worked with a disgustingly worm like little man, who to all outward appearances looked like the happily married family man.

Sadly for us his work mates, for thirteen years we had to watch him go off to visit prostitutes every lunchtime. The sad little git also informed us that he didn't mind paying extra for unsafe sex. So many times I nearly called his wife to tell her what danger he was putting her in. I wish I had now.

There will always be prostitution, just as long as there are people, usually, but not always men, many of whom are married, who will pay for sex.

Legalisation would cut down on the crimes committed against the women, who for whatever reason, are attracted to the work.

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u know what garinda - i was in the same position about a yr ago - i wanted to tell a woman that her hubby was doin the same wiht girls he'd meet off the net etc - or escorts yet wud go home and pretend it was all normal and it had been a tough day at work etc

i shud've told too :(

as for this - its all media hype - they want to ring the happenings of jack the ripper and yorkshire ripper and maybe give the impression this is all kickin off again.

its like in teh news they'll say muslim guy killed in revenge attack - what they wont say is plumber killed in revenge attack - one sells more than the other.

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Police investigating the deaths of two prostitutes in Suffolk have found a third body!

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OMG this is getting really scary now and brings back memories of growing up in yorkshire before the yorks ripper was caught :(

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I just said it is begiinning to sound like we have another ripper, or at least a serial killer, on our hands. :(

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Right that's it, I'm ordering all you Accy Web working girls to stay in until this b*stard is caught.:D

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I just caught the 60 second news thingy on BBC 3. They said a third body has been found and has been confimed to be a sex worker. I thought that was more respectful. I know a sex worker is a prostitute but when the word 'prostitute' is used it always seems to be an insult .......... sorry not explained well but I know what I mean :)

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i cant believe that their has been 3 murders and that there is still girls working them areas,the police need to stop them working or they could be next if this killer isnt caught

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There are many varied reasons for prostitution, poverty and drugs being the main two, but how desperate are these young women?

Apparently there are about twenty women regularly working the streets of that small Suffolk town of Ipswich.

The numbers were down to five last night and tonight.

Go home you silly cows and stay safe.

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Prostitution the so called "oldest profession in the world" well after cooking. These women are vunerable and easy targets and they lead this life for whatever reason yet they seem to be on the edge of society. If these poor girls (RIP) had been part of high society they would have been classed as "Escort Girls" because of their standing.

Tinks in Edinburgh the local council with police approval set up a tolerance zone up a few years back in Leith and it failed as the price of housing went up. Those who moved in did not want this kind of lifestyle on their door step so the women moved on. Its not the sex act that is illeagal because if it were one night stands would be illeagal its the payment part. It is also illegal to go and find a women for sex and pay for it by "curb crawling" through a known area that has sex trade participents. Yet the irony (back to one night stands) I could go out on a Saturday night find a women, spend a wad of money on drink and food for her just for some "fun" and unless she claims it was rape its legal.

If they want to solve part of the problem then a British version of what the Dutch have for their sex trade workers provide is needed. Yes legalise it, have rules and regulations, health checks, pay tax and insurance (instead of paying a pimp) and take the sigma away. Yes we are still all animals at the end of the day ie hairless ie Binobo Chimps so it will always be there the need or urge if you like.

Untill this whole mess is sorted out then we will see this kind of unfortunate incident and while we are sad at it we will regardless of what we say will still if only subconsiously think "well they were only prostitutes" This cannot be really changed because its all around us and we just pick up on it a bit like subliminal advertising.

Maybe there should be a poll and campaign on legalising it. On which note yes I am for it even though I dont use the service. To me it would be for the protection of these women.

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What the hell is the world coming to?? Its supposed to be the season of good will to all. :(

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Police investigating the deaths of three prostitutes say they are worried about a fourth missing woman [beeb RSS].

I agree with the points of it being legalised & as the oldest proffession of time cant see it wont change, while depressy & drugs are concerned, but these are people too are human beings & have family least they are not harming people but some vulchers that prey on them. It is sounding very much like the jack the & yorkshire ripper case, sadly these women are catering for male sexual controls but unfortunately its not sex these inhumain butchers are after, as no sign of sexual assault or abuse/injury of the 1st 2 found close together but the kick of killing or excuse of killing which makes it more the worse & worrying Ted bundy is springing to mind uurrghh soo damn sick!

I hope these sex workers are taking advice & ameniable precautions with their life but unfortunately some are that desperate for cash especially this time of year to take the risk while this vile sicko is on the loose!!

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Im certainly surprised with what mani & garinda have said knowing married men going off paying for sex - unprotected at that while STD's & aids is rife, as much as i can understand you guys position & surprised u feel bad about it rather than patting these cheating arabs backs being paid for or otherwise, i do feel sorry for the unsupecting spouse that will only find out when they have discovered an std, difficult one when put in that position because u dont know the circumstances as these men could be actually in a daft way be channelling their over active desire elsewhere than marital raping their spouse - the worrying thing is if both situs are happening at the same time even consential as the wife/gf dont know !!

If u had your chance again as u feel now would u inform that wife ??

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It may be the lesser of the evils that are around but as a so called civilised nation we should be able to control our urges or if they are getting out of control seek help. Just because they have an urge does not give them the right to put the lives of others at risk of catching a "nasty" they caught while "having fun" just because they can do.

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Very true but seems a small preportion of them cant of excuse they cant but think about it these days there isn't much restrictions on things nowadays thats controlled!

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A minority of men may have the sex drive that matches a sports cars power but it is no excuse to go out and take risks. Would it be worth it if they are named and shamed because they are in court for curb crawling? Whoever is responsible for the killings are deranged persons but not intrested in the sex part. They might have a grudge or a hatred for these womens profession and decided in a phsycotic moment to hand out their idea of justice regaurdless of the fall out and pain on the unfortunate families of the victims.

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That was the yorkshire rippers excuse to manifest justice towards these women! Even if u name & shame the curb crawlers there would be many wives & kids whom had no idea & could have effects more on them especially publically than the perpretrator himself who may take glory from it - saddo's

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Although it's 99% likely to be correct there's an assumption on this thread that the killer is male !!

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So it could be a wife/gf/daughter hell bent on revenge?

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mmm considered myself duely whipped :whip: from that statement:(

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After seeing how viscious those boozy birds are u could have a point:rolleyes:

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Just been reading the beeb have your say on it & there is some rather opposing points of view

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...20061211133005

Easy to say not to bow down to media pressure & hype when u think it wont happen to you - strangely i know it does & when someone u know has been prey to these sicko's then u realise it does happen & makes u more the wary - i particulary dont like going out in the dark on my own, some cases u have to but it is scary & u need your witts about u!!

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Sometimes the hype is needed because of the danger involved but it has to be even. One of the opinions stating that the police watched and did nothing is appaling and sets a bad example as well as increasing fear.

In my opinion the folowing hit the nail on the head;

"Can we stop calling these young women prostitutes ?
they have the same rights as anyone else
and as we have seen from other serial murderers women in general are vulnerable
This killer needs catching, don't alienate men or women who can help"

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Will the police pursue this case less vigorously because "only" prostitutes have been killed?"

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If the killer seems to be targetting one section of the community surely it is valid to report that. It could well have a bearing on motive.



I very much doubt it. Murder is murder whatever the profession of the victim(s).

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I am not questioning the reporting I am just wary of how the police and to a certain extent the media will handle it. How long before the victims families start to suffer more especially at the hands of the media and others. It wont be long before the families are in the eyes of some held responsible for the victims lifestyle.

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Well if they have sex with people for money there ARE prostitutes! Yes theu are women but they are also prostitutes so they are not saying anything untrue so you cant say anything!

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Blooming heck theres concern for a 5th:eek:

Police investigating the deaths of three prostitutes have said they are concerned for two other missing women.

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3 dead 2 missing

wouldnt you think these girls would now use their brain ans stay off teh streets and take a few days off work until the murderer is caught

the police have even asked them not to work and those working to feed a drug habbit have been offered free alternatives like methadone etc

it may sound harsh and i in no waythink what is happening is ok but come on if they are still going out on teh streets knowing what they know then its pretty much their own fault if anything happens to them now especialy as amnesty and help with alternatives has been offered for free

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Harsh but very true chav. The alternatives are there so they would be wise to accept. Better to be safe than sorry.

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I agree with what you say chav but you will always find peole who will chance it no matter what as they feel the money is worth the risk. Mind you the women missing have been missing for over a week and that was either as or before the second body was discovered.

As regards the reason for this thread I have to say yes they are women first and prostitutes second, but sex sells so SERIAL PROSTITUTE KILLER sells more copies than SERIAL KILLER. Sad but that's the human psyche for you.

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I doubt if this killer will only target prostitutes, I would say prostitutes are simply the easiest victims as the business they are in means they are likely to get into a strangers car and be totaly alone with a man they don't know..but as said before, the Yorkshire ripper attacked any women when he got the chance.
The police and media are giving the impression that only prostitutes are at risk.

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Its getting worse in Ipswich:

Detectives investigating the deaths of three women working as prostitutes in Ipswich have found two more bodies.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

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That's 5 dead no!!! :eek: They seriously need to stay off the streets!!

This person/people are maniacs. It's scary........and I wouldn't risk it for all the money in the world. :mad:

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well the one who went on the radio saying a serial killer wouldnt oput her off working just turned up dead

no sympathy at all sory

her reason was she needed the money , plenty of other single mums manage without turning to prostitution and even drug addicts have been offered free substitues

the killer does need catching but these prostitutes too stubborn or dumb to quit work for a while arnt helping much, well actualy they are because their bodies may turn up vital forensics evidence when they catch teh killer but thats about it

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5 dead now .....Seriously these girls should really have the sense to stay well off the streets now.
If they continue to go out there then IMHO they deserve all they get .
Just hope they catch this maniac before he does any more

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guess who !!!!! its me ebay king i found how to talk to u lol

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Although we all agree the girls must be mad to be still out working the streets, that means that there must also be punters still driving around. How desperate does that make them, with all the police and media in the area?


Go home saddos, and have a tommy tank.

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No I'm sorry they don't. It's human nature to adopt a 'it'll never happen to me' attitude.

I just hope after 5 bodies in 10 days the killer has run out of steam now.

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I agree, a lot of us smoke, and know all the risks, but we still do it.

Sadly if you need a hit of smack, the Methadone clinic is closed, and the only way you can get twenty quid is to sell your arse, these poor girls will do it, regardless of the dangers.

They face danger every time they work. They can get beaten up, raped, robbed, mutilated and abused. Legalisation would at least allow some protection to them.

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Maybe they cant rise to the occassion without a fanfare. ;)

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BUT ISNT IT ALSO HUMAN NATURE TO SEE DANGER LURKING SO CLOSE ? esp when its so public

yeah I agree we all say it,ll never happen to me but when its so close ,so often ,fix or no fix surely then its enough to say no way !!!!

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Smack heads would rob from their own dieing Mother's purse for a fix. The dangers that are apparent to us, are secondary to a hit to them, regardless of the sick b*stard out there who is killing them.

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hey no one made them start drugs and as for we all know the effects of smoking ime pretty sure getting beat up or as it turns out murdered for having a ciggy isnt the normal sort of risks associated with smoking

these women in many cases have been arrsted multiple times by the police so thay are used to the police who have said there is an amnesty, if they dont arrest IRA peopel when giving guns in during an amnesty then i doubt they are going to break their word over a whore selling her ass

at first i felt sory for these women but now they have no excuse and to be quite frank i coulnt care less if more get killed because as far as i am concerned they are as good as putting a gun to their own head by going out to work when so much help has been offered to them

public sympathy is running out for them and i bet there wouldnt have been as much hey lets not call them prostitutes if they were male prostitues getting killed

funny thing is the news start off by calling them sex workers and in teh next scentence call them prostitues i guess like most people you see a spade you call it a spade and if you see a prostitute you call it a prostitute :)

just hope the killer dosnt start targeting decent women

here we all are defending women who in some cases have children and take drugs then sell their bodies to feed tehir addiction , part of me realy does think the kids will be better off without them

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An addict will never consider anything other than the next fix. They will fight lie steal mug just for a shot and they dont give a rats behind for who they hurt. People can say that someone they is selfcentred nasty and mean but that is nothing compared to an addict. These peoples sole aim in life is to arrange the next fix.

If the addict needs to work the streets to get a fix they will and will be totally oblivious to any danger they might face.

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Is this the same Chav who keeps trying and failing to give up the ciggies?

Addiction makes some people do some desperate things, despite the dangers.

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Well maybe im just being slightly niave here G because I just cant seem to get my head round why anyone would put their lives at risk in such a situation ??????


According to the news tonight one of the girls who have been allegedly found today was interviewed last week , and in my mind surely that would send the message back to the other girls ..... None of them are safe until this maniac is caught .

Although i can understand the urgency for a fix i think i would be finding alternatives an these so called (fix clinics ) could be doing something to help at this particular moment ..

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i dont sell my ass to get my ciggys though and i certainly dont put my kids in danger to get some or rob peoples houses to get my nicotine ;)

anyway i can always nick yours lol

granted i dont have an ass to sell but even if i did i wouldnt lol

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Let him without sin cast the first stone……………..A life is a life. Having said the bastard that is doing this deserves to die screaming all the agonies of Hell.

But whilst you are condemning these girls spare a thought for who they use to be and the pain felt by their families.

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Cherokee I agree. If it was my friend I'd tie her to a bed rather than let her go out working the streets, but logic goes out the window for these desparate addicts.

These are just ordinary girls from nice families, who drugs have turned into zombies chasing their next fix. Some of their families stories at the weekend were heartbreaking.

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havnt you heard..

ime a F ing angel :D

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Tell that to all those pussys you've taken out...........:rolleyes:

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Well another thing I question is ?? how come all these families dont know thier girls are on the game, sure they must have some idea that these girls are living in poverty and when they see them they must be able to see ( if they,re already heavily addicted) the changes in thier daughters ?

Is this me being niave again ? because I know I would be able to tell if my daughter were struggling A, by her appearance B, by the look in her eyes and by god i would be doing more to sorting her out than just sending £15 to her..

In fact if i knew she were in that area at all id be pulling her home quicker than anything

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You ever thought what would happen if there wasnt prostitutes? What would all them blokes do? Would they just have a mass debate or would they go and rape someone?

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a rapist cant get what he wants from a prostitue that argument is bullox to put it as polite as i can

rape is about contol and inserting fear

no expert on rape but its a different sort if sexual kick for them

prostitution shoudl be legal its cheaper than marrage :D

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Can I just interject alink to a thread discussing giving drugs to addicts and the fact that it was frowned upon by the majority on here.

Now it seems we might be having a change of heart.

Driving to work this morning the radio played the clip of the girl who is now thought to be one of the bodies that they are still identifying. Personally I thought it was a bit out of order. Shes dead FFS don't go rubbing her nose in it in a sick "I told you so" sort of attitude. Whatever her reason to be out there, she needed the protection of the law and this country would rather sit on a moral high ground than admit that a sex industry will always continue until Man himself is no more.

I said in teh other thread, we've been trying for years to stamp out drugs and prostituition and goit nowhere, new ideas are needed. Lets try something different and help these people rather than criminalising them.

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the police arnt there to be her personal body guard , if they spent their time bodyguarding her and these women there would be less manpower looking for teh killer

i think its a very good idea to keep playing the womans interview saying she isnt put off by a serial killer because it may make others that think it wont happen to them realise it can.

i think the polic are doing all they can and these women that ignore the warnings and refuse the help offered are only making the polices job harder

i dare say the police will have a woman working under cover as a prostitute to try and trap the killer and if that is the case then she is a very brave woman indeed

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In a interview with a ex prostitute on This Morning she gave the impression that the killer may be known to the working girls as one of her friends who as just been killed was refusing to get into the cars of unknown punters!

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Well at least they are trying to stay as safe as possible by sticking to regulars. If the killer is possibly known by some of the others then does that not put them in more danger?

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Well thats a good point - how would they know? the model regular could be possibly be the killer:confused:

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Mmm i saw & another on sky news the other worrying thing is that one of the suspected victims did an interview saying the same thing ....&... the worst is to be feared, if this a glory killing as this person has been blaise in the open now could spot these girls & they could be more targeted!

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The majority of killings are by those that the victim knows so sadley the statistical probability is yes they did know/do know the killer. Mr Joe I M Ordinary could be a Jekal n Hyde character one minute the guy next door the next a homicidle maniac.

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Exactly, as with rape a lot are done by men the victims know, as with this case, its the fact that people are more at ease with people they do know than dont which in itself puts them in a more vunerable position. This killer could have been quite happily becoming a regular getting to know the girls, into his ease then haas now made his move, seems strange as the police say how quickly 5 bodies have been found in 10 days unlike the yorkshire ripper case where it was over months.

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I think the point being made was that the killer is possibly a regular client of the girls, because one of them trusted him as oppesed to a client they weren't familiar with, its frightning to think that we have another serial killer situation but these girls who are still working know what the risks are, and I'm sure there's no women in Ipswich that feel safe at the minute.

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C.S.I would have had this case solved by now :rolleyes:

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The fact is these women are easy targets, regardless of their profession. Read in the paper today that they consider how they earn money another sad act in a sad life.

The fact they ply their trade in dark dingy streets is due to the persecution of the trade, if was decriminalised at least then there may be some incentive for them to report the numerous beatings, rapes and robberies they suffer, but at the moment the law is the reason they suffer the countless crimes on them and the reason one street worker is murdered on average every 6 weeks.

If nothing else I hope this series of events makes the government do something about the danger these women put themselves in every night.

It's ok chav saying that they choose to do it, what about the ones in fear of their lives due to their violent pimp? It isn't just a case of "The Next Fix" until we know why they do it we can't judge.

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ooh just heard about the other 2 and 1 of the girls is from up my way,i hope it stops soon before anyone else gets killed

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whats the difference between Mr Kipling and the ipswich serial killer ?

Mr Kipling put 6 tarts in a box

a very bad taste joke i recieved today via text on my mobile phone :(


but it did make me laugh :D :D :D :D

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PMSL!!!! Chav1

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And they say I have a weird and sick sense of humour. :rolleyes: