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Conservative leader David Cameron has said families are the "ultimate source of our society's strength or weakness".
He said his party must "look at ways of supporting families and also supporting marriage so that couples are encouraged to get together and stay together".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6165833.stm

Oh if only there was a perfect world :rofl38: wonder what they propose to encourage it??? Sorry im an old cynic been there & worn the tshirt mate, happy perfect marriage with a selfish cheating drunken lazy uncaring violent immoral {delete where appropiate] partner - no such thing:rolleyes:

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Its time Cameron got on his bike and paid a visit to the real world. If thats his answer to some of societies problems then he has the largest pair of rose tinted specs in the country. The quoted £20 bn a year could end up higher if he takes this road when in power. Unhappy couples in marrage can have a serious impact on their children and lead to the same problems that children from broken or single parent families have if not worse.

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I do hope your'e not complaining. You've had it drummed in to you enough times that single parents and their delinquent children are responsible for all the worlds problems :D

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Didn't your ex have a violent and unhappy childhood? Not an excuse for his behavior as I've know many people that have gone from having a bad childhood to being excellent partners and parents, but I think these are the kind of issues Cameron was trying to address.

I agreed with some of what he was saying but disagreed with just as much too, so yes it will be interesting to see what they have in the pipeline. :rolleyes:

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:rofl38: exactly what i thought, gee i wouldnt be alive today if i didnt get out, again the single parent family is targetted as societies main problems which insults me bigtime - i've met quite a few single parent family children & they are remarkably well balanced & happier than some of their counterparts as they dont have the extra stress, maybe improving the poverty gap & stop mis respresenting one parent families, as me & tinks discovered shockingly in criminology that the middle class is the ones to watch out for, they dont do things for need other than attention & glory for it as cool:(

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.....& mine of 2 parent family ??

The thing is that it isnt down to whether its one parent family or a 2 parent family, its about the parenting as whole & addressing the socio economic problems too, the rights issues, etc. Mr cameron is implying that in this day & age that the nuclear family thats been broken down over the years is the best one - many of problems has resulted from unhappy parents living together for the sake of the kids thing does not work!! The thing is some people that have had bad exp in childhood do actually carry it over to the next generation than actively recogonising the past & thus changing the pattern so it wont happen in the future & thats the difference - break the cycle !!

I think Mr C needs to accept that families have changed & get into 2006, the dreams of 50yrs ago dont exist, how about supporting & recognising the diverseness in family networks into improving society.

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No one should stay in a violent relationship and that goes for either sex. I honestly don't think Cameron was on about people in violent relationships, he was talking about the 'I'm bored with this relationship'. I'm sorry but we do live in a quick fix society. A couple of arguments and that's it one of the couple are off.

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Yup exactly my point - i know i escaped:D

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Cameron is a middle class monkey still wired to the Victorian and Edwardian view of life. Taking of his rose tinted glasses would blind him with reality so he lives in the same weird world as Wako Jacko.:D

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Based on Camerons views I should by rights be a mass murderer :eek:

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It's not that long ago that we had a quick fix of being clipped round the ear by a copper if you broke the law. Nowadays the copper will get sued and the culrpit will get tons of compensation. Parental issues or totally inadequate government policy ?

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So then cheating tarts & bistards are to be forgiven & u have to stay in that relationship so they can do it again again etc or it creates an adverse jealousy cos one has been forgiven then they accuse the other just in case even tho they havent ???

Great relationship for the kiddies to be in, seeing one treat the other like crap & the other take it ???



PS dont worry tinks im debating with ya as difference of opinion - no hard feelings okies hunny hehehehehe:D :cool:

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Both! When the were brought home after being given a clip round the ear from the copper, the mother usually gave them one too and then said those words that struck fear into every child "You wait til your Dad gets home"! ;)

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Some peoples relationships can withstand that though, and fair play to them if they are strong enough to stick together through something like that for the kids. If the can't, and it would be detrimental to the kids, then of course they should part.



HE HE HE! I know it's like coffee mornings at mine :D

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Precisely lol. Now the parents get sued too :D

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Erm both & with Mr C going on about this load of tosh he clearly has no idea of parenting issues nor policy to solve it so as most of them try to live in the past!!

Btw cops scare me so never got chance of clip round the ear but they dont scare the youth of today:confused:

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Oh dear for the sake of the kids bit again, the kids grow up blaming themselves for keeping unhappy parents together:( Mind u a good few decades ago there were more morals & society was much stricter on acceptance than today - so the shame alone would keep legs cross or flys zipped in presence of temptation:rolleyes:



PMSL!!! yeh thats true i missed my appointment this morning so heres the online version hehehehehehehe:D

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The kids should never have that burden placed on their shoulders. Depending on their age they shouldn't be privvy to to what goes on in adults relationships. You think sitting a child down and saying "oh mumy or daddy has left us cus they're screwing someone else" is easier for a child to deal with? Break ups affect childroom the most, it's as simple as that, they should be protected from the heartache as much as possible

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Very true :D Thing is kids are very quick & intuitive - they might not understand the ins & outs - even if they are kept in the dark about it or dont know what the problem is - they actually know theres a problem:D

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LOL! Yeah I hope so ...... especially when one of the parents is still missing after a few months ;)

With the exception of a relationship breaking up through violence, both parents should make an effort to be together for the sake of the children. When all said and done no child ever asked to be born.

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PMSL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

MMmm i'll agree with some & disagree with some there, for the sake of children mmm grrr again im one of those children whose parents did & that still dont cut it with me because kids who get that shoved in their faces feel responsible that cos of them their parents have to stay together & be unhappy thus the environment is unhappy. A happy loving home whether lone parent, couple or step parentage should be the main thing !!

Do right be your kid[s] & they'll do right by u when u is old - like shove u in a nicer owd folks home :D

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very true HAPPINESS beeing the key if your not happy it rubs off on your kids. It took me i while to realise that my son will always luv me as his dad and his mum as his mum but screeming and shouting at each other and ill feeling u cant hide it from them and sometimes that can be wose than the break up. They are more resilliant than u think!!!

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AND THATS JUST THE GOOD POINTS:cursing:

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Sadly though the truth is that the arguments quite often still continue after a break up. The child(ren) then get used in a little game by the parents of trying to get one up on each either. So, sometimes it's a lose/lose situation for the kiddies caught in the middle

There's also a lot of children out there that have been emotionally scarred because of their parents break up.

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True, problem is either situation aint good be it in the relationship or out unless the parents put aside their selfishness & concentrate on the kids or better still make better judgements before having kids:D

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Bloody hell bro u are as cynical as me - cant think why tho :D

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That is my point exactly, but I didn't want to word it like that, I didn't want it to look like I was saying that people who have kids and seperate are selfish, every relationship is different ..... but yes there are some selfish people out there who should put their kids needs before their own.

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:rofl38: ah well i did it for ya pmsl:o

That i do agree with:D

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now were gettin somewhere, its a total breakdown of respect and discipline, far more than what that tory plank is saying.as well as the home, school,police, NO ONE has the right to discipline any more! who took that away? the one parent families.:rofl38: :rofl38: its far more complicated than that simpleton spouts.and if theres no discipline theres no respect.

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I think some of you got the wrong end of the stick. He wasnt saying that a single parent can't bring up a perfectly well behaved child that fits right in with society, he was saying that a lot of the reasons for it is the breakup of family, not the absolute reason.

Life isnt black and white..

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We may have got the wrong end of the stick and all isnt light and dark but whether it be a single parent co habs married seperated etc if a parent of either sex has time for their child to listen help guide advise and its done without aggro and intimidation (shouting temper fits) then a child will grow up well adjusted. The parent needs to avoid spoiling cowing down ignoring or palming of onto others as well as the child will feel unwanted and more likely to "derail" at some point. Sadley nowadays even kids with 2 parents might not see them as much as they want to or need to due to them working.

Its ironic that some of the best behaved kids I know are brought up by one parent so are not mollicoddled spoilt or ignored. Their parent has a part time job so there is not a real shortage of money and they value what they have. On the flip side the ones that get what they want when they want it reguardless of the price are the ones that can cause more trouble because they dont have a guiding influence other than the "gang" they run with. End result can bee seen at wekends.

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Here Here!! well said Spuggie:D

Maybe Mr Cameron wants to trade places with a lone parent as did did another x mp for an experimental programme it was quite enlightening [i cant remember his name now altziemers again]

As has been said its regardless of family situation but how families deal with their problems & parenting that does as has spuggie has explained also the fact of discipline being exchange for rights & no clear distinction for parents as to discipline & control wihtout fear of being in trouble for parenting! Society is partially to blame for sitting back with acceptance - 50years ago they didnt & that kept social behaviour in control where now it isnt. Lack of social skills & life skills being taken over by other unimportant lessons in school for those especially if homelife dont encourage it or lack of good example.