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Apparently another man has also been arrested for these murders, along with the first man. Although no one has been charged with them yet.

What really shocked me though was an interview with one of the young prostitutes on last nights ITV news. She said she was shocked at the first arrest because she'd been out plying her trade on the Sunday night, when she telephoned the first man who has been arrested, because she wanted a lift home, which he did. All this ten hours before his arrest.

Lots of people on here have said how desperate these girls must be to still be working the streets whilst the killer is out there, and most criminal profilers have publicly said that the killer will know these young women well.

I think this young woman should be very glad she is still alive to tell her tale.

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my aunt lives in Trimley st mary which is the next village to Trimley st martin, its a really nice quiet place, i was down there myself in October......its frightening to think just 2 weeks later those girls where murdered not far from where i was staying, when i go down there i wander about like ive lived there all my life.....although i aint a prostitute, that could of been me :(

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I've visited Ipswhich myself a couple of times, and it is a quiet, normal, nice town.

What this tragedy has highlighted is the fact that prostitution happens everywhere throughout the country, not just in the big cities, and sadly the reason it flourishes is all down to the scourge of drugs in the country, and the easy availability to our young people.

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like people have said many times rindy, prostitution has gone on forever, there will never be an end to it nomatter what the goverment do, i truly feel sorry for those girls' families, most of them had children (fair enough they should of thought about the children before going on drugs) but its so easily done nowadays, you get in with the wrong crowd and BOOM your life is over with....my heart really goes out to them

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I think you'll find asking them to pay by PayPal still counts ;) :D

Definitely a weird one this. The girls they've interviewed on the news seem very fond of the first guy they arrested but they've just extended his custody, which makes you think he must have something to do with the girls murders. The second guy seems to fit the stereotypical idea of a misfit serial killer.

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lol dont tell them that yee..they'll be wanting to set up an account....;).......hmmmmm criminology i love it, i'd love to be a criminal profiler,your the one that did this at college yee, what do you thinks going to happen???

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LOL! Ian was asking me that ;)

Ask the coppers to send all the files over I'll have a look :D

I don't know how the Tom Stephens guy is going to be connected but I don't think he has killed the girls. Though he does have evil eyes that hide some deviancy imo lol!

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i doubt there where 2 murderers, tom stephens is just a little bit creepy for my liking, maybe he was more like a pimp to the girls,he was an ex special constable,maybe he was just looking out for them...but the question is, why was he an EX??? did he get thrown out of the specials?? if so what for?...nothing has been said about this other bloke yet apart from his name....watch this space

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Neither man has been charged yet so we can't make too many assumptions. I remember when little Jamie Bulger was killed, the police arrested an innocent 12 year old boy - because he was a bit of a loner and a bit strange. The boy's neighbours would have torn him to pieces, if they'd been given the chance, and he'd done nothing wrong.

On the face of it, it looks like that was what led police to the first man in this case - he's odd. Maybe he is the killer, maybe not. We'll just have to wait and see if he and/or the second one is charged, on the grounds of hard evidence.

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west ender you should read the books by paul britton, he's a criminal psychologist, his books are excellent and really give you an insite into how the criminal mind works, he's worked on all the 'famous' murders,he was the criminal psychologist on the jamie bulger case and the fred and rose west case, he also took on the case when rachel nickell was murdered on wimbledon common, the books are called 'the jigsaw man' and 'picking up the pieces' they are rather intriguing

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I don't think so either

I agree there is something creepy about him but that could be just the seedy and chaotic lifestyle they live that we would probably never be able to comprehend. He obviously has a fascination with the street girls, but I think he's a 'friend' to them, sort of regards himself as a guardian.

When I heard that I did think hmmm, he has an interest in the police so would that also extend to swotting up on the best ways of disposing of the bodies leaving no DNA or as little as possible at the scene.

He was suspended from his supermarket job.

I think the fact that hardly anything is known about the second guy is the most interesting bit. He obviously led a pretty reclusive lifestyle to start with.

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All this says to me is that the police don't have a clue and aren't realistically going to find anything out for a while; the arrests now are probably of known local oddities to put the media at bay.

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I think you'll find with the wording of the interviews the police have given to the press they've known for a while who they were looking for but needed enough evidence to get them off the street.

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Reading between the lines, to me, it sounds like they don't have a clue & are giving the media something to publish - like giving the first bloke's name - that'll keep the red tops busy for a while!

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shakermaker do you always have to have a negative opinion on EVERYTHING?

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If thats what the police say they are talking rubbish.. they don't need any evidence whatsoever to arrest and detain anyone,suspicion is all thay need. If they thought they knew the killer they should have nabbed him..its taken them 2 weeks to arrest a bloke that lives round the corner!

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look all we can do at the moment is speculate, there obviously hasnt been that much evidence on either of the men otherwise they wouldnt of arrested 2 of them...lets just wait and see ay

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Ohh noo sorry, don't let me confuse you, the police haven't said that it's just me speculating. I've just read a good deal of information on these sorts of things.

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she's a clever un is our tinks ;)

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Are these arrests because of genuine evidence or are they to pacify the media and public?

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You been hacking the police computers? ;)

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I've just bookmarked them on Amazon - will order them in the New Year. That's just my kind of reading, thanks. :)

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Is that the same as smart a**e b***h? .....I get called that often but no one evers smiles at me when they say it :confused:

Brilliant reads West Ender. I've yet to find an author to equal him on knowledge in this field.

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Was he involved in the arrest of Colin Stagg?.. the bloke the police said they were sure was the killer.. but was found to be innocent?

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i lent the books to tinks, tinks lent them to her mum,they've definately done the rounds and ive never heard anyone say a wrong word about them,you will enjoy them west ender :D

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mancie are you having a man period??

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Yeah nice touch Mancie ;) Do the police not have to take some responsibilty there

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Generally, yes.
I'm sorry if my realistic nature comes across as negative but I find it foolish to be positive in a society where things such as this occur.

My opinion is where it is because of how easy it is for the police to provide a scapegoat for the tabloids in today's society. It unsettled me when the name of the first arrest was given.

Innocent until proven guilty for me.

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:eek:..whats a "man period"?.. just saying that with all these "experts" around its amazing how serial killers get to kill so many untill they are caught.. you get a different "expert" on the news every night.. the experts seem to out number the serial killers!

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here about the dysletic Santa

Kept leaving Prozzies under the tree.....


I'll get my coat...................:o

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just because there may of been some sort of unjustice in your family shakermaker doesnt mean the police are ALWAYS wrong does it??

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I went to the same school as Tom Stephens (Thorpe St Andrews)and also played in the same sunday football team as him,he was a quiet lad and a crap goalie,also have a team photo with him on it-suppose i could get a few quid off The Sun paper if i was that way inclined.

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Get it sold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bloody hell mega bucks for Xmas. ;):D:D

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I made neither of those statements.
Living up to your name there, love.

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Steve Write,,,erm ,wonder if he is the disc jockey on radio 2.....lol

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Although they never looked for anyone else after the collapse of his trial, when it came to light that an undercover police woman got him to confess after pretending to have an S & M based relationship with him.

The Met, don't you just love 'em.

Come back Sherlock.

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the same met that convinced a jury that the Guilford 4 were murderous.. but found out some 16 years after they were not..beware

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I am. That's why I left London, before they dug up my patio.;D

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I do think the media love the drama of a case like this, it's nearly as exciting for them as a disaster happening.

There is absolutely no need, but both the BBC and ITV have had their main news broadcasters based in Ipswich this week, and they only go back to the studio for 'other', presumably lesser news, like the war in Iraq.

I too feel uneasy that names and background details and photographs are published. No one is guilty of these crimes until a jury of twelve people have found them guilty.

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i think its disgusting any names were given out period , if they are innocent or not taken to court shuold i say and teh killer is never caught peopel will always think tha they did it because once mud is slung it sticks

personaly i think that no names should be given until found guilty especialy in cases of murder , rape and molestation because once a name appears in teh press with them crimes next to them that persons life is ruined form then on

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and my name has got what to do with it?? get over it little boy

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Well it's obvious that you're an airheaded tart; coming to conclusions like this from no basis at all:

"just because there may of been some sort of unjustice in your family shakermaker doesnt mean the police are ALWAYS wrong does it??"
Silly girl.

Back to thread; I have little faith in the met and so will hold out my scepticism for as long as possible on their 'suspects'.

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pick your dummy up little boy and toddle along now,thats a good boy

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dont be soft just coz its xmas..

kick his ass :D

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Thanks. My point proven.
Now get back to your shoe shopping, love.

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hmm spitting your dody....and grow up

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Well it seems that the 2nd guy steven wright has been charged

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So the first man may have perfectly fitted the criminal profile, but he's been released without charge.

The man who will be charged tomorrow morning, is of course also innocent of any crime until he's been judged by a jury.

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The 1st one is released on bail, so they havent actually finished with him yet it seems..

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Yeah I saw that. Strange to get bail for such a high profile crime if they have anything on him.

I feel sorry for him if he has had nothing to do with it. Mud sticks.

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Cant help thinking that they got the 2nd guy through him, though i may be wrong but still dont think hes without knowledge ...ummm seems strange hes only on bail....

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Good break through at last.

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Could you please explain the difference between official and non-official speculation?:confused:

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:p You know what I mean.