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People can't help how they feel and I reckon so long has they arn't bothering anybody then it's nothing to do with anybody else.
People that shout about things quite frankly should get a life. |
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I know loads of nice people, who are also gay, both male and female. Met a lot through work and university and they are no different than anybody else. The don't half do a good festival though, the one in Manchester the other week was fantastic ;D
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I to have gay friends Lettie. Its amazing how many cave men there are living in the dark ages.
A lot of ignorant people out there too. :( :( Not on this forum though. I'm sure. |
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live and let live i say
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Its a bit of a strange question.. I don't really see as its any of our business or anyone elses .. Whats to discuss ?
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It's Nobody's business Harry but most people seem to have an opionion on the matter.
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Correct..and mine is that its nobodys business :)
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We agree one somethings then Harry :D :D
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If everyone agreed on everything..wouldn't the world be a boring place ?
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Aye, twud that. indeed. :D
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Don't think there's anything to discuss.
Homosexuality is a fact of life. Only thing worth discussing is the fact that some ignorant people don't know it's not a crime as long as yu're over the age of consent, the same as hetrosexuality. |
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Well said Cazzer. :D
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End of subject I'd say. Unless we want prehistoric, unenlightened, uninformed views?
One thing though. I don't think I've ever heard any of my gay friends refer to hetrosexuals as the "straight community". they normally just call them people. Can't get my head round that! |
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[quote author=cazzer link=board=anything;num=1063047310;start=0#11 date=09/10/03 at 02:04:15]Don't think there's anything to discuss.
Homosexuality is a fact of life. Only thing worth discussing is the fact that some ignorant people don't know it's not a crime as long as yu're over the age of consent, the same as hetrosexuality.[/quote] The thing that's annoying is the "In Your Face" flamboyance of some gays. |
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The thing that annoys me is that "in your face flamboyancy" of a large number of straight people in Accy. A night out in town means getting the nicest clothes on you can, make yourself beautiful and hope to pull by the end of the night (men and women alike). You can't just have a good night out to have a laugh, you get goggled at by men at every corner, touched and rubbed against in the bars and chatted up by drunken "potential Mr. Rights" at every possible chance. Everything to do with a night out comes down to sex.
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well said jo.
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I was once asked if I was Gay or straight. That is just the reply I gave.
" I'm a person. " and turned away. |
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When I was a kid who used to play around the fields of Accrington, I don't think people broadcast that they were gay,it was really taboo.But there were certain older males who used to hang around the kids who people said were gay and you should keep away from! But things have changed now and it's cool and "politically correct" to talk about being gay openly.So I guess it's a case of "live and let Gay!"...but I ain't...if I may say...but there were some dodgy males who used to hang around in the 70's.
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Im not gay or bi, but . .
If your bi, you effectivley double your chances of pulling on a night out ;) ;D ;D |
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Interesting... Double you say? So how does one become a bi ? Not like the masons is it ?
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Jo like your way of thinking.Satrnge that it does not always work out as you want it LOL!
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Nothing against gay people so long as they do not come on to me.Work with one and get on fine with him.Do not bend down in front of him though :P
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[quote author=Mik_Dickinson link=board=anything;num=1063047310;start=0#22 date=09/10/03 at 22:29:41]Nothing against gay people so long as they do not come on to me.Work with one and get on fine with him.Do not bend down in front of him though :P[/quote]
So you presume because a guys gay, that he automatically wants to jump your bones then? Must do or you wouldn't say something like that. Never worry that a woman might want to feel you up? Or would that not matter? Presume you don't get on well enough with him to be a friend else you wouldn't say things like that! :) |
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Friends are for private life Cazzer.Something i keep totally seperated.I have a working life and a private one.I never ever mix the two.At work i do not talk about home and vice versa.
And if a woman wanted a feel up as you say it would worry me.The simple thing is i am happily married for the last 13 years.Over here i spent 8 years with no female company and i realise what i have got now is good.I made vows when i got wed and they are important to me.They are a promise i will keep until i die.Because that is the way ia m. |
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[quote author=cazzer link=board=anything;num=1063047310;start=0#11 date=09/10/03 at 02:04:15]Don't think there's anything to discuss.
Homosexuality is a fact of life. Only thing worth discussing is the fact that some ignorant people don't know it's not a crime as long as yu're over the age of consent, the same as hetrosexuality.[/quote] Thing being there is such a thing as natures laws too.They however are not written down so it must all be legal eh!Imagine if nature had made is so we could get ourselves pregnant eh!Self impregnating and the Government said that was illegal.Would people still do it?Of course they would.Try not to tellme that you never had a drink of Alcohol before you were 18.Lets stop hiding behind this legality crap and say your real views on things eh! Cazzer |
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Their are many flambouyant straight people. The only gay people I have dealt with have always been very confident and sure of their sexuality and don't have a need to push it on anyone else. The only people who do that I'm afraid are the straight ones. Male or female gay or straight let people live their own lives in the way they choose to do so threr are too many people with opinions that they can't keep to themselves. Personally I would not be afraid or ashamed of gong out for a drink with a gay person for when they know they are with non gay people they are very nice people to be with.
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wow some very good comments and in a nice way which makes a change on here these days:rolleyes: . Well done you lot. I am with you on this, gay people are what they are (and usually very funny and good people at that). To be quite honest I would rather go out round town with a bunch of gay men than straight, at least you know that they are talking to you because they want to and, not just expecting to get in ya pants at the end of the night if thy talk to you for 20 minutes:D .
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nice one slinky I agree the gay people I know are certainly better company than a lot of straight folk
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You can't really categorise peoeple in lumps anyway. Everyone should be taken for who they are as an individual and their sexual preferences are only a part of that.
I have one friend who is gay who I think very highly of and probably always will. On the other hand I know another gay man who is a bit of a pain in the neck simply because he goes on and on about being gay and begins to get on your nerves with it. (A bit like "I'm the only gay in the village") |
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That will always happen but on the whole i enjoy th e company of gay people but I definately am straight
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Can I ask you a question Mick please? (putting him on the spot) Why did you start this thread? There has been no (or very little) talk of gays and homosexuallity on this site but most members are aware that a relatively new member Garinda (who has yet to comment here) openly admits to being gay! I am sure that Garinda is keeping a close watch on what is being said here and is ready to jump in with a comment or two at the right moment..........:) Sorry Garinda, you are a very likeable person, but (and I am sure Willow did not mean you particularly) after announcing your preferences, you have been going a little over the top in as much that we like your views, appreciate your accy web input.........BUT DON'T GIVE A SH** about your sexuality! ...... Which brings me back to the original thread about Gays! Whatever happens inside the bedroom should be private! If Garinda..or anyone else mentions through normal chat that they met/held hands/kissed another that happened to be of the same sex, thats fine.....but I feel that it is not something that should be discussed in open forum. I am not interested in your sex life Mick nor would I give details of my sex life! It is perhaps strange that if you are Gay, then people seem often to want to know the nitty gritty of what happens between the sheets but if you are straight, any comments (quite rightly) would be deleted as they are deemed as improper on a family site! As you are all probably aware, I HATE the P.C. Brigade, I TOTALLY object to "Gays" having special "events" mostly because they are financed by us the tax payers, Despite the hundreds of Quango's pushing umpteen thousands of £££££'s of our money into their schemes.............. What I am saying basically, is let each of us live the way we want. It should NOT be an issue, Garinda knows what he wants, so do I! and also the rest of you! May you all find the happiness that I have found...... |
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Well I think all that was a little unfair busman. I could understand you having a go at garinda if he had threaded in this post..........but can you explain where all that came from???..................that is not nice to name people when they haven't even said anything relating to this thread. Yes he may have made everyone aware that he is gay, just like others have made people aware that they are not gay, is making people aware that you are not gay an offence aswell?. Well just wondering :confused: very confused by all that.
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Sorry if I confused you slinky, I certainly wasn't having a go about Garinda, he has done nothing wrong except perhaps to go overboard about his sexuality. I questioned Micks reasoning behind the thread that he started taking into account Garindas openness regarding his sexuality.
As an afterthought, I added my opinion that OUR finance should not be spent telling the world what we all do between the sheets and with whom! I have no interest in what Garinda does, or who he meets, I have tried to say (obviously badly) that sexual interests should NOT be financed or promoted with OUR money! |
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Lol, well where to start?........
This thread was started in fact by Mick over 6 months before l joined this happy band. l had read it, and like Slinky was quite pleased with the overall feeling that it matters not a damn what is done behind closed doors. The only place l have discussed my personal life is in my journal. The most explicit bit being that we lay on a bed or held hands. Fairly normal stuff and certainly not explicit. The only other times l have posted about my sexuality in general threads, is when l've disagreed with something. Homosexuality has been linked with child abuse, were l pointed out some basic facts. [Don't forget most child abuse takes place in so called 'normal' families by heterosexuals.] l also posted about Tealeaf's comments regarding 'lezzy' theatre and London's tax payers funding gay celebrations, just as Busman has as well now. 'Normal' people seem to be able to talk about their lives, marriage, courting, flirting etc. without comment. lf l post about similar things l seemed to be accused of banging on about it, pushing down your throats so to speak. l will not limit my postings because of predjudice, if anything l say is unsuitable l expect to be taken to task by the moderators. In reply to what l find quiet arrogant use of underlining of 'our' money [in Busmans posting,]being spent on telling people what and with whom to do it with between the sheets, l despair. Do you think homosexuals don't pay taxes, and if you've been sucked into beleving the right-wing tabloid press view that all children are now been taught how to be queer, more fool you. There's lots of things my taxes are spent on that l don't agree with, in a democracy though l'm afraid l've just got to lump it. The figures are miniscule by the way. Busman once said he'd read my journal, in which l wrote about how isolating it was growing up here, as a gay kid in the 70's, and my need to move away. Some of these comments have made me realise that perhaps not a great deal has changed. l pity any young people growing up gay or lesbian in Accrington today. P.S. Don't forget we are not monsters. You 'normal' people created us from the fruits of your loins [yuk, is that too explicit?] . Your sons/daughters/grandchildren etc. Gary. |
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P.S. Rather than re-edit a quick post script.
There's so much more to me that the gender of the people l am attracted to, some good some bad, which if you took the time to get to know me you would realise. If my honesty about my life offends you l'm sorry, but l will not be silenced on this or other things l feel are relevant to what l post. I don't mind at all about being singled out for discussion here, l'm fair game. However my views do in no way represent any of the other gay/lesbian members here, [yes theres at least 6 to my knowledge!] |
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As regards what is and isn't funded by our taxes (that's yours and mine garinda, "our" by it's very nature doesn't exclude you) I don't see why any gay or lesbian special events should be funded when similar specifically heterosexual events (if there were any) would not receive equal funding. That doesn't make me homophobic. It's simply a case of a desire for fairness and equality. If there is anything I do object to it's stunts like someone ripping pages out of the Bible because they object to the references therein to "unnatural practices". If they disagree with the content fair enough say so, but tearing out the pages doesn't change the fact that it was written it merely serves to antagonise people and stir up anti-gay feelings. |
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I don't see why any gay or lesbian special events should be funded when similar specifically heterosexual events (if there were any) would not receive equal funding. Off the top of my head l can't think of any 'special events' that have been funded by the tax payer. Like l said l'm no expert, and refuse to act as a mouth piece for anybody other than myself. Major events like Gay Pride are self funded, and the profits go to charity [such as the Terence Higgins Trust, an AIDS charity that helps people regardless of their sexual orientation.]. Carnivals around the country with childrens events, l presume fund themselves the same way, if they don't and some of my taxes go towards face painting or creches l'm quite happy that they do so. In reply to Busmans interest in this subject, l was invited to his wedding at The Church of the Latter Day Saint in Blackburn. l don't know if Busman is a Mormon but l've discovered some interesting facts regarding the Churches views on homosexuality. -Homosexuality is a sin, second only to murder. -Homosexuality is a disease. -Homosexuality is currable. I'm not going to answer each point other than to say who on earth would choose to be gay in face of such predjudice? l am not a masochist. Like l said, l just hope that if any other your children turn out to be homosexual you show a little more understanding. My parents didn't ask for a gay child, l came ready made, the result of an hetrosexual union. |
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people should only be attacked if they do owt wrong,wether gay,straight, black,white,it does'nt matter a jot to me,an if they want to say what they are it doen't bother me in the slightest,why it bothers anybody bothers me though.
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I expect you to reply that being a homosexual is YOUR personal thing but the difference is that you choose to air your so-called differences at every opportunity which is precisely the reason I made mention of your name in my original posting. This post was never meant to be anti - gay but it seems by your accusations that you want it to go that way. |
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l have only made reference to my sexuality in threads were l thought it applicable, ie: child sex crimes etc.
l respect your views, just as l know you hopefully respect mine. The comments on homosexuality were all on offical web sites of the Church were you have chosen to marry in. In no way have l taken this personally, even though you brought my name into the thread, or as a sign of your homophobia, and l mean that truthfully. |
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Garinda could you give me links to the sites where you obtained your information please? I'd like to go and have a read of it.
I don't think anyone has said anything here which is homophobic and I personally get a bit miffed when anyone uses that word because it tends to be bandied about to make people feel guilty of something when all they have done is give an honest opinion. It's a bit like those political posters which were criticised for being anti-semitic when they showed Michael Howard and somebody else as flying pigs and the one which was interpreted as Michael Howard in the role of Shylock when in actual fact it was meant to be a hypnotist. Until all the hoohah about the posters I didn't even know Michael Howard was Jewish but now that I do know it doesn't change my opinion of him as a politician one way or the other. It's totally irrelevant. I wonder if the poster designer had any idea that the two people involved are Jewish? Anyway I'm wandering. Although Busman isn't, I am a member of the LDS church, the correct title is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and the reason why I want to clarify the name is that it isn't a church dedicated to some obscure and unknown saint. It is a church named after Jesus Christ and the "Latter-day Saints" in the title refers to the members of the church. This is often misinterpreted and we get accused of thinking of ourselves as being "superior", "saintly" or "holier than thou" by people who don't actually know us. When people do know us they find out that we're very far removed from that image. You want to meet a crowd of us women at a party and you'll soon realise what a mottley crew were are. The reason the term "saint" is used is because the members of the early church (ie what was on earth when Paul and what have you were around) didn't so much call themselves Christians as "saints" and because we are the same sort of rabble but in these later times we're just known as "Latter-day Saints". It could just as easily be "modern time Christians" Anyhow where was I? Oh yes. I need to swat up a bit on sins. We're all probably guilty of more than one. I do like reading information about the church on the net. Some of it is accurate and some of it isn't. Some people set up their own websites and tend to rabbit on a bit, which isn't really approved of because they can get a bit personal and drift from the point. There is one officially approved website but I'm not sure how much doctrine there is in there. As I've said previously I know more than one gay person and I don't immediately think of them as a sexual classification but as an individual. If it comes up in conversation then maybe we'll discuss it, if it doesn't then we don't. I had a very good friend (sadly now deceased) who was an actor and because he never married people (especially female fans) used to ask me if he was gay. As it was something he never spoke about I would only tell them that he considered himself married to his career and leave it at that. I know of more than one church member who is gay and one who has had some quite responsible positions within the church. Maybe the fact that he is celibate made a difference. I don't know. The reason I don't know is because it really has never been all that important to me personally. I just take people as they come. if I like em I like em. if I don't I don't. |
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Willow l have to go out now as l'm babysitting. l'll try and answer your points later if l can. l haven't accused anyone of being homophobic in this thread, though l have in others regarding the council.
Having met each other briefly the other Saturday, both you and Busman are good people and l totally respect your religous views. Though l can't of course agree that my life is a 'lifestyle' choice, or is currable-as l'm sure my life would have been simpler if not as colourful if l'd be given a choice. |
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It is only in our Christian culture that people are classified as gay or straight. In other cultures, a degree of homosexuality is the norm. In Ancient Greece, people had relationships with others of the same sex and of the opposite sex. The need to classify causes endless problems. I know a number of people who have had relationships with both sexes. I don't classify them as bi - they have a relationship with a person they like and feel sexually drawn to. Whether that person is male or female does not matter.
I will frankly admit that many years ago I met someone who I thought on first acquaintance was male and fancied him like mad - I was somewhat taken aback, to put it mildly, to find out that HE was a SHE! I didn't take the relationship any further, whereas I certainly would have done if SHE had been a HE - so work that one out. I also have one close friend who was known generally as a randy s*d - very attractive to women, two marriages, lots of lovers - he is now she. We're still friends, R likes the same things that D did, so where's the difference? I can't say I understand it, but friendship covers all sorts of things. We all of us have different aspects to our make-up - I don't regard homosexuality as a disease, but as a lifestyle choice - I know that many will say that there IS no choice, and whilst that may be true in some cases, it is not necessarily a given. Many people have heterosexual relationships, marry, and raise children, and then decide to practise a gay lifestyle. Things are rarely that simple .... |
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Here is some information I found at http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/c...1-60-1,00.html
Question: What is the Church's attitude toward homosexuality? Answer: Gordon B. Hinckley, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, issued the following statement about homosexuality: "We believe that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. We believe that marriage may be eternal through exercise of the power of the everlasting priesthood in the house of the Lord. "People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are. "We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families" (Ensign, Nov. 1998, 71). Sorry I could not format my post better, I am having a problem with the advanced reply option for some strange reason. |
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Moving slightly away from the point then, does that mean that marriage is immoral if you don't have children?
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Ok people why are we even discussing this???? There is no reason to do so. By having a thread to highlight the 'gay lifestyle' we are once again alienating the topic. I donn't see a thread under the heading 'The Straight Community - Your Views'
And to be fair to Garinda, I don't think he pushes his sexuality down peoples throats. There are guys on here who flirt and talk about women all the time, but no one accuses them of forcing their sexuality on us. Drag yourselves into this century folks and realise whats really important and what is essentially trivial. Goodnight and godbless, I love you all . |
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I don’t think the attitudes of the Church or devout Christians will make any difference to the outcomes of how people react or respond on the matter. Today gay culture is much more open than its been for 2000 years, rejoice in that and keep and open mind. Those who choose to practice homosexuality irrespective of there reasoning should also keep in mind that they are still a minority in a Heterosexual would, a world driven by history, religion and greed. Continued overt pressure will only result in people digging there heels in. Everyone should debate this matter like adults and try not to debase the genuine issues that both sides of the argument have. We shouldn’t slap someone for having strong personal beliefs, but at the same time others shouldn’t be slap because they choose to stand by their convictions. Accord is how differences are solved not conflict. If someone wants to be the only gay in the forum, then I would say the in for a shock. If someone wants to force gays out of the forum, then I would seek to defend their right to be a member and be gay. If a gay member wants to be accepted as someone or something different then I would have to ask why. Being gay or straight still leaves you a human being and on that fact and that fact alone you will be accepted, and not judged for what you are. |
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We've got married couples, single people, large families, smaller families, divorced people, remarried people, mixed race families. We've got all sorts of people. The church is very family orientated in the sense that children are a large part of what goes on with older ones often taking part in the Sunday services and the whole of the primary (Sunday school) ddoing a presentation of what they've learned towards the end of each year. The children write a lot of that themselves. If you saw them you'd think they were all little angels but I teach the 10-12 year olds and believe me they are quite a handful. They are a challenge but so full of interesting questions and ideas that they give me a lot to think about too. |
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[QUOTE=g78]And to be fair to Garinda, I don't think he pushes his sexuality down peoples throats. There are guys on here who flirt and talk about women all the time, but no one accuses them of forcing their sexuality on us.
I’m not sure that Garinda does push his sexuality down people’s throats, at least I hope not. And yes their are guys on here who flirt and talk about women all the time, and visa versa, it a matter of respect. If a lady tells me that she regards my flirtations as offensive then I will desist, if she then flirts with me I accept her right to change her mind. It's not about forcing sexuality down people’s throats “poor choice of words I think” g78 it’s about human nature and individual interaction. People on an open forum are fully aware of their actions just as they are in real life, but obscurity and anonymity will always result in some of us going to far, that is why there is a report button and moderators, people should use them. In other respects some women have said how they enjoy the attention and are happy to interact because there is no way that those involved will ever meet in the real world. Others people who wouldn’t be able to flirt in the real world can live out their fantasies in a virtual one. I also have to add that blokes have flirted with each other on here and have never even realised. |
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Do you mean blokes have flirted with blokes without realising they are flirting? How is it flirting if they don't know they are doing it?
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Doug im not saying anyone is having a go at people. Im saying why do we even need to discuss it? I really can't see the point in having a topic where people 'discuss' the gay lifestyle.
We dont go around discussing the 'straight' lifestyle and have direct topics for it, so why should we for the gay community? By making a topic, you are in fact doing the thing most of you are against, highlighting and forcing the gay lifestyle upon us. |
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I can see what you mean vorlon, although I am not aware of the church ever frowning upon people who do not have children. I think it's more a case of "children should be reared in families" rather than by single mothers or as opposed to the sad situation where children are "in care" and waiting for adoption because some person in authority has decided that a specific type/age/ethnic mix of parent is required. I don't know if that happens as much nowadays but I know it did about 15 years ago when friends of ours were adopting.
Busman and I are getting married soon but not with the aim of having more children. I've got quite enough on my plate with the ones I've already got! ;) |
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the only gays that bother me are those like jimmy summerville who are always ranting and raving about how homosexuality is the only way to be and theres somthing wrong with you if you are not a homosexual
why he has to continualy scream about his sexuality i have no idea all i know is i wish the little pratt would choke and die ,if he is the voice of homosexuals like he claims it is a sad day for those homosexuals that dont feel the need to broadcast their sex lives to the world and just want to live in peace i thought perhaps there would be a chance he would shut up when cadburys made a sweet for him chocolate stars :D anyone fancy a bag of them now lol |
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What was it that someone said recently with reference to Oscar Wilde's quotation of Lord Alfred Douglas' "The love that dare not speak its name" ?
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Re: THE GAY COMMUNITY YOUR VIEWS
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Are you tipsy Doug old bean?
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Madam, I am feeling quite playful. Thank you for your kind observation.
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The original poem:
I dreamed I stood upon a little hill, And at my feet there lay a ground, that seemed Like a waste garden, flowering at its will With buds and blossoms. There were pools that dreamed Black and unruffled; there were white lilies A few, and crocuses, and violets Purple or pale, snake-like fritillaries Scarce seen for the rank grass, and through green nets Blue eyes of shy peryenche winked in the sun. And there were curious flowers, before unknown, Flowers that were stained with moonlight, or with shades Of Nature's wilful moods; and here a one That had drunk in the transitory tone Of one brief moment in a sunset; blades Of grass that in an hundred springs had been Slowly but exquisitely nurtured by the stars, And watered with the scented dew long cupped In lilies, that for rays of sun had seen Only God's glory, for never a sunrise mars The luminous air of Heaven. Beyond, abrupt, A grey stone wall. o'ergrown with velvet moss Uprose; and gazing I stood long, all mazed To see a place so strange, so sweet, so fair. And as I stood and marvelled, lo! across The garden came a youth; one hand he raised To shield him from the sun, his wind-tossed hair Was twined with flowers, and in his hand he bore A purple bunch of bursting grapes, his eyes Were clear as crystal, naked all was he, White as the snow on pathless mountains fore, Red were his lips as red wine-spilt that dyes A marble floor, his brow chalcedony. And he carne near me, with his lips uncurled And kind, and caught my hand and kissed my mouth, And gave me grapes to eat, and said, 'Sweet friend, Come I will show thee shadows of the world And images of life. See from the South Comes the pale pageant that hath never an end.' And lo! within the garden of my dream I saw two walking on a shining plain Of golden light. The one did joyous seem And fair and blooming, and a sweet refrain Came from his lips; he sang of pretty maids And joyous love of comely girl and boy, His eyes were bright, and 'mid the dancing blades Of golden grass his feet did trip for joy; And in his hand he held an ivory lute With strings of gold that were as maidens' hair, And sang with voice as tuneful as a flute, And round his neck three chains of roses were. But he that was his comrade walked aside; He was full sad and sweet, and his large eyes Were strange with wondrous brightness, staring wide With gazing; and he sighed with many sighs That moved me, and his cheeks were wan and white Like pallid lilies, and his lips were red Like poppies, and his hands he clenched tight, And yet again unclenched, and his head Was wreathed with moon-flowers pale as lips of death. A purple robe he wore, o'erwrought in gold With the device of a great snake, whose breath Was fiery flame: which when I did behold I fell a-weeping, and I cried, 'Sweet youth, Tell me why, sad and sighing, thou dost rove These pleasant realms? 1 pray thee speak me sooth What is thy name?' He said, 'My name is Love.' Then straight the first did turn himself to me And cried, 'He lieth, for his name is Shame, But I am Love, and was wont to be Alone in this fair garden, till he came Unasked by night; I am true Love, I fill The hearts of boy and girl with mutual flame.' Then sighing, said the other, 'Have thy will, I am the love that dare not speak its name.' |
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On reflection, while trying to contol two excitable kids, l've decided this is to be my last post in this thread.
I had read this thread and was suprised at the general tone of it doesn't really bother me, as long as it's not hoisted upon them. l only felt l had to post when my name was brought into this thread by Busman. l have never said l was gay in any general thread, although l have talked about growing up gay in my journal, this hasn't been explicit or 'preachy.' l have commonted on gay issues when they've been raised in other threads, were l think l was able to add a valid point. Like Willow said she doesn't want to be a spokesperson for her Church, l feel the same about this issue. The gender of the person l'm attracted to is really a very small, but important part of who l am. l think it's more defining about me that l'm single! l am not a mouth piece for gays/disabled/ex-public school boys/arts graduates/ ex-Methodists lobbyists, but all those things go to make who l am today. If my openess as offended anyone l'm sorry, and l will make sure any future comments are relevant and in the right place in the forum. :) |
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I'm a live and let live person,what people do in their bedroom as nothing to do with me as long as it's brtween two concenting adults and no ones being forced into any thing! that's my 3p's worth!
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