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Nice to see that our Government are coming up with another way of taxing us even more, It appears that all the houshold rubbish that we don't recycle may now be wieghed and we will will be charged so much per Kl for them to take it away. Every time we pick up a local news paper there are articles about fly tipping not only in Hyndburn, but every other district in East Lances. Maybe the Telegraph will start to bring out a "Fly Tipping Special" once a week, because if this government do bring this into force fly tipping will go through the roof.

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There was a spokesperson last night on TV who said that it won't cost us any more because the refuse charges will no longer be included in the Council Tax so our Council Tax would go down - don't hold your breath on that one.

Another thing which someone said was that in Britain we householders generate far more rubbish than in any other European country. Excuse me, who generates the rubbish? Do we sit in our front rooms manufacturing the stuff? Stuff comes with rubbish attached. Everything we buy brings its own collection of rubbish with it. Why isn't the government tackling the issue at source and insisting that manufacturer reduce the amount of packaging pn their items. Does a non-breakable item really need to have moulded polystyrene around it inside a wrapper inside a box inside another wrapper which is then wrapped again or bagged before we can even get the thing home? Do packs/bags/boxes have to be so much larger than the thing they contain and then have the extra space filled with rubbish?

We recycle as much as possible but we still end up with a awful lot of non-recyclable junk. Just at the mo we've got a lot of cardborad boxes which we've compacted and flattened and squished into other cardboard boxes but the main boxes doing the containing are held together by tape which is non-recylable.Are we going to get into trouble for putting our recyclable cardboard into something which is only partially recyclable?

It's a nightmare!!!! :eek:

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I reckon there should be bins at teh supermarkets where we can offload any surplus packaging. When teh supermarkets have to apy for it to be removed they will soon think twice about whether it really needs that box around it.

I'm also surprised there isn't more use of biodegradable 'plastic' to wrap foodstuffs in. We have washing 'tabs' whose 'plastic' dissolves in water, why can't anything currently wraped in plastic be wrapped in this stuff. when you finnished with it leave it in your water butt/toilet/old bath water. and they are gone in minutes.

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YOu mean 'paper' :)

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this recycleing crap is getting way out of hand infact its getting to the point where it is becoming a part time job the ammount of time you have to spend washing this and sorting that

the way things are going all that is going to happen is that peopel are going to put bags of rubbish in the car and simply throw them down the side of whinni hill

i know i will fly tip rather than pay to have it taken away infact HBC shoudl be thankfull i aint doing it right now :)

either PAY ME for storing their boxes, bags and the washing of tins etc or get convicts to do it at the tip

my biggest gripe is that WE are supposed to do all the work sorting and storing recycable goods and the people who own the tip/recycling plants are getting rich for doing basicly sod all

screw them, if the govenment wants to save the planet make the manufacturers use different methods for packaging or better still make companies stop putting a 2 inch item in a 3 foot box with 20 plastic ties holding it in place :rolleyes:

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here here!! well said chav1

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Spot on Chav. :D Better get the monthley invoice for hours and labour ready for the council finance officer. Its easier to beat Mr n Mrs Public than Mr J Company and his cronnies.

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I was warned about the chips in the bins when they first appeared, they are used to weigh the amount or waste you do not recycle. In some Greater London Boroughs, charges have already been introduced for every kilo over the allowed amount of useless waste.

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Whoever proposed that one appears dumber than a bagfull of hammers!

While it is good to recycle, I certainly would do not want to see the proposed policy into place where I live. It would really encourage folks to use improper methods (and places) to dispose of waste.

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I heard a good comment about this on the radio yesterday which was...

How could they possibly charge you for the weight of your rubbish when the issue for landfill is the volume of rubbish, his example was..

a brick and a same size piece of polystyrene take up same space but the weight difference is immense!!!

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I think the worst offenders for fly tipping are small businesses, who have to pay to take their rubbish to the tip.

Most of the fly tipping I see dumped seems to consist of builders rubble or decorator's waste.

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No they are not. We have had this debate before. They are used solely to ID your bin as yours. Any weighing is done by the bin wagon, not the chip.


I agree Willow about the rubbish that all our goods come packed in. I was amazed at the amount of cardboard I took of the several multi packs of yoghurt's that we got from asda yesterday. Most of them were joined together anyway. I am not sure if it more eco friendly to use recyclable cardboard for the job or shrink-wrapped plastic, anyone know?

The post from Jaysay sounds remarkably like a conversation I had with Peter Britciffe a few months ago, he also thought that charging for household waste by weight would create more fly tipping. Lets hope he does not change his mind or our streets will be littered.

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At this rate they are going to need to employ more pest controllers.....fly tipping = vermin.

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Britcliffe keeps moaning on about it being the goverrnment's fault that we are being encouraged to recycle, but I don't think 'hug a hoody Dave I'm so green I have a windmill on my Notting Hill home Cameron', is going to change it very much if the Conservatives got in, well from what I gather from his not very clear non policies.

Incidentally I'm just back from doing a weekly shop, and there is no wasteful packaging, but I went to Accy Market, rather than to a supermarket.;)

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on teh radio the other week they discussed recycling and covered house hold recycling and both experts agreed that the process of recycling, collecting it in waggons,fuel usage , emiisions etc and running the plants that actualy recycle the waste caused just as much dammage to teh enviroment as what it does not recycling in teh first place :rolleyes:

they claimed that over half the things we recycle shouldnt be and recycleing shoudl be kept to things that are easily recyled and not the things that have to go through a complicated process to recycle like some plastic cartons etc

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Some very tasty stuff to be had at Accy market!

And the food there is not bad, either!:p

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Obviously you did not visit on flea market day :D

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two thirds of the planet is water lets sink some of it lol

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I personally cannot see how a chip in a bin could weigh how much is in it?

And being charged for waste is a load of rubbish.:D ,a family of 5 is going to produce more rubbish than a single person.

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As was pointed out, the chips only identify the bin, it's only the trucks that have the capability to weight it.

We all pay differing amounts depending on how much gas or electricity we use. I don't really see a problem if charges are implemented for how much non recycable rubbish we have collected.

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Don't think I can agree with you on that one, rindy! While the concept of paying for what you use is not a bad one in most cases, some folks will certainly try to avoid charges by tipping their junk in all the wrong places. The result will be unsightly and possibly unsanitary. Probably cheaper in the long run to allow folks to use their own bins without worrying about how much additional it will cost them.

In the town where I used to live, the council limited how many black bags you could dispose of without paying additional fees, but allowed folks to buy stickers to put on additional bags of trash. The result was a huge increase in inappropriate tipping. After a couple of years, they reversed the policy. They still do require a sticker for sofas, appliances, and other large items, but they send out two free stickers per household each year. Also, the stickers are inexpensive (roughly 5 pounds for a larger item, and half of that for a smaller one. Compared with the inconvenience of hauling a washing machine or refreigerator yourself it is a pretty fair deal. So far, it's working pretty well.

Understand you were not feeling too well recently, rindy, and hope that things are now a bit better. Going to have to keep working my way up the rankings on the Accyweb quiz!

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I have seen the bin men taking the bins, they wouldnt be bothered to weigh them, I once had a bin that was heavy, I asked the bin man will it be to heavy, all he said is that if it lifts its in, if its to heavy the machine wont lift it.

I cant see how it could also be monitered, I usually end up with a different bin every week, regardless on how many time I have wrote my number on it.

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The major incidences in the UK of fly tipping results from small businesses having to pay to dump their waste, or indeed illegal firms that are paid to take rubbish, and then dump it illegally.

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree. On such a relatively small group of islands as the UK, we are rapidly running out of places for landfill sites. If paying means we recycle more, so be it. I should also say that I think people that are found to have dumped rubbish illegally should receive heftier fines, or even prison sentences. I'm sure that would stop some of them.

Like other people have said, the sooner supermarkets and the like, realise that if their customers spending habbits are going to be influenced by how much packaging their goods come with, and the resulting cost it entails, big businesses will also follow suit.