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jambutty 10-01-2007 12:59

Mobility Scooters
 
A news report reveals that recently a person has been knocked down and seriously injured by one of these scooters. Other reports reveal that some people have actually been killed.

These scooters are supposed to be for people with severe walking difficulties but anyone can buy one and require no license of any sort and no insurance. Although you can get insurance if you have a mind to. I’m told that a typical insurance cover for a Mobility Scooter is around £48 pa with a liability to the maximum of £2,000,000.

Taken from http://www.discountscooters.co.uk/extra/pages-page_2/index.html

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Where Can Scooters Be Used
TYPES OF CLASS 2 SCOOTERS
Legally these scooters can travel up to 6.4kph (4mph) on pavements and are allowed on the road to cross from one side of the road to the other.
TYPES OF CLASS 3 VEHICLES
The main difference between Class 3 and Class 2 vehicles is that Class 3 vehicles tend to be larger and can be used on the roads where they can travel up to 12.8kph (8mph).
It is usually possible to drive at 6.4 kph (4mph)and switch to 12.8kph (8mph).
Class 3 vehicle users do not require a driving license but should obey the Highway Code at all times.
This includes complying with relevant eyesight requirements and not driving under the influence of alcohol, drugs etc.
Class 3 vehicles are not allowed on motorways, bicycle tracks or bus/cycle lanes.
Although legally allowed on dual carriageways, this is not recommended.
Speed
Two speed settings, usually changed by a switch.
12.8kph - maximum speed Permitted only on the road. Not for use on the pavement or footpath.
6.4kph - 4mph maximum speed Permitted on the pavement or footpath.
Lights/indicators/horn/rear view mirror/rear reflectors
The law requires class 3 vehicles to be fitted with all these features.
Flashing beacon
Optional - can be used when driving on the road to warn other road users of their presence, and must be used if driving on a dual carriageway although we do not recommend this.
Insurance is not legally required for any powered vehicle in either category, Class 2 for pavement use or Class 3 for pavement and road use.
However, it is recommended that the purchaser have at least public liability Insurance, covering accidental damage to other people and property.

What are your thoughts on this issue?

garinda 10-01-2007 13:07

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
They should be forced to all be insured.

They should carry a licence, showing they are insured, similar to a car tax disc.

If found not to be so, they should be heftily fined.

Although useful to infirm people, some of the drivers show as much concern for other people as boy racers.

***Mr D*** 10-01-2007 13:09

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Insurance is available and that price sounds about right.

I agree that as its a motorised vehicle you should me made to have minmum insurance.

As for riding them on the pavement.:eek:

On a Dual Carrageway. talk about Death Wish.

Tealeaf 10-01-2007 13:09

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
I'm surprised there is not yet a tandem version on the market. It seems to me that would be a good pick-up for the local totty after a good night on the town; who needs a Ferrari, when you've got something as enviromentally friendly as this, with any emissions coming later?

I'm sure there is at least one wench on here who would be glad for a lift home from yours truly; naturally, I ride poke position.

lancsdave 10-01-2007 13:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 364807)
They should carry a licence, showing they are insured, similar to a car tax disc.

Does that mean they should have a certificate of insurance or a tax disc ?

chav1 10-01-2007 13:21

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these things are as much as a hazzard as those bloody mini motor bikes and should have to have insurance tax ,and some kind of M.O.T

does anyone remember those spaz chariots as we called them when we were kids with teh big plastic bubble as a roof, they were hillarious to watch trying to get up dill hall lane or whalley road lol :D

lancsdave 10-01-2007 13:23

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I feel more threatened shopping in Asda with trolley drivers than I do with mobility scooters but maybe I'm biased.

accymel 10-01-2007 13:32

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 364825)
I feel more threatened shopping in Asda with trolley drivers than I do with mobility scooters but maybe I'm biased.

:rofl38: yeh asda does nowt for your blood pressure doesn't it:rolleyes: lol

garinda 10-01-2007 13:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 364813)
Does that mean they should have a certificate of insurance or a tax disc ?

No not legally, that's just what I think should happen.

West Ender 10-01-2007 14:04

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
You can hire one of the smaller scooters, for shopping, in Warrington market. It makes me wonder how the people who hire them get into the market in the first place if they can't walk? Even the market car park is about 100 yards across a fly-over. Once they are on the scooters and out shopping they are lethal. If I see one coming I make as wide a detour as possible as the drivers have nothing in their minds except where they want to go and God help those who get in the way.

The bigger ones - we have one that tootles through our village. He lives on the busy, 60 limit main road and he sets off at 8 m.p.h regardless of other traffic then makes a right turn into the village centre. He doesn't signal, slow down, speed up or whatever - he just goes. Naturally, drivers are careful not to hit him so the problem is to avoid hitting each other as they avoid him.

cherokee 10-01-2007 15:27

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I was up town some months back and witnessed an old guy on one of these things and he went striaght into this poor womans legs knocking her to the ground and grazing her legs , thing was this woman was quite elderly also ,


I personally think that if they elderly or infirm are to use these things then they should at least have knowledge of how to use them safely and have knowledge of the busy roads we have today ,because most just buy them n ride them without actually reallising just how much damage they can do

***Mr D*** 10-01-2007 15:32

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Now imagine the shock when he they get a letter holding them responsable for injuries or damages from a solicitor.

Im sure there would be many of these 'No Win No Fee' types that would happly take it on.

I cant see how they get away without requiring insurance even if it was just for third party.

WillowTheWhisp 10-01-2007 15:32

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Some people can walk short distances or for a little while without suffering pain but would not be capable of wandering around to do all their shopping which is why hiring these things is a godsend.

However, I do agree that some people are lethal on them and maybe they should have lessons before being allowed to drive them and yes I do think there should be insurance. I don't know how that would work for the hired ones but I'm sure it's possible.

A friend of ours had one once whilst she was waiting for a hip op and she ran over Mimi's foot, then reversed and ran over it again!

panther 10-01-2007 19:04

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..........should stay on the bloody road, was crossing over the road once and some silly old mare said to me 'your supposed to walk on the left side':eek: wtf...... I wont say what I replied!:mad:

grego 10-01-2007 19:20

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I think the owners of these should take out insurance and maybe even have to have a lesson. My Grandad has two of these that he doesn't use thankfully as he isn't at all capable, they belonged to my Grandma, but if he decided one day to get on and go into town, who would stop him? Also why do drivers of these things think they have right of way?

Billcat 10-01-2007 19:25

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 364809)
As for riding them on the pavement.:eek:

On a Dual Carrageway. talk about Death Wish.

Well, if you don't like them on either, where would you suggest they be ridden?

Part of the problem is that pedestrians often pay no heed to folks in scooters. Speaking from my wife's experience, pedestrians seem to believe that scooters and wheelchairs can stop instantly, so they just step directly into their path without even looking. I've seen far more of that behavior than I ever saw of folks with scooters causing accidents. Then again, I've also seen far more pedestrians endangering their own well-being than I have of drivers behaving irresponsibly when pedestrians are about.

Billcat 10-01-2007 19:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 364810)
I'm surprised there is not yet a tandem version on the market

I've seen some folks using a golf cart, which can accomodate two. Not quite as easy to get onto as a scooter, and pretty much impossible indoors, but a nice way for two to ride together.

How are things in London, Tealeaf? I'm missing decent beer!

lancsdave 10-01-2007 19:37

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I'm glad my Dad still lives in Burnley. An understanding of people with disabilities in Accrington would be far too overwhelming for him :rolleyes:

Billcat 10-01-2007 19:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 364876)
You can hire one of the smaller scooters, for shopping, in Warrington market. It makes me wonder how the people who hire them get into the market in the first place if they can't walk?

Some folks cannot walk or stand for long, but can walk far enough to get to the scooters. I often used to go inside and run the store's scooter out to our car, so my wife could use it. Don't know what they are using in your markets, but the scooters offered by our stores had a top speed of about 2 MPH - appropriate for the aisles of the store. They are also provided free of charge.

Frankly, I've never been hit by a mobility scooter, but have received hits from shopping trolleys, baby strollers, scooters, as well as incosiderate people. Perhaps all of these should get a license and insurance as well?

WillowTheWhisp 10-01-2007 20:57

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
The ones in the supermarkets are a lot slower than the ones which scoot around town and can cause some nasty injuries if they knock people over, especially if the person knocked over is elderly.

lancsdave 10-01-2007 21:00

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 365214)
The ones in the supermarkets are a lot slower than the ones which scoot around town and can cause some nasty injuries if they knock people over, especially if the person knocked over is elderly.


In this day and age the elderly are more likely to get knocked over by muggers than scooters.

Now there's an idea we could have mugger training lessons and human rights insurance just in case pc plod isn't on his/her break :-)

entwisi 10-01-2007 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 364823)
does anyone remember those spaz chariots as we called them when we were kids with teh big plastic bubble as a roof, they were hillarious to watch trying to get up dill hall lane or whalley road lol :D

You mean teh blue cars? made by AC same company that is responsible for teh 70mph limit on our motorways. oh and this

http://www.mcarsweb.com/ac/cobra427.jpg

Now thats probably one of my favourite ever cars.

***Mr D*** 10-01-2007 22:26

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billcat (Post 365122)
Well, if you don't like them on either, where would you suggest they be ridden?

It would have to be on the road.

SPUGGIE J 10-01-2007 22:27

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
After seeing a little old lady motering up Blackness Road on the way to work there is a serious issue. This lady was on the road motering into on coming traffic.

***Mr D*** 10-01-2007 22:33

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 365275)
After seeing a little old lady motering up Blackness Road on the way to work there is a serious issue. This lady was on the road motering into on coming traffic.

They should follow same rules as cars, bikes, quads, tractor, ect.

Again, death wish riding into oncoming traffic.

SPUGGIE J 10-01-2007 22:40

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 365281)
They should follow same rules as cars, bikes, quads, tractor, ect.

Again, death wish riding into oncoming traffic.

She was last see heading up Springfield Road still on the wrong side of the road dispite several points where she could have mounted the pavement.

***Mr D*** 10-01-2007 22:45

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 365289)
She was last see heading up Springfield Road still on the wrong side of the road dispite several points where she could have mounted the pavement.

I would allow them on the pavement if it was a danger for them to be on the road.

but nothing will be done about anything till something bad happens.

Ianto.W. 10-01-2007 23:19

Re: Mobility Scooters
 
I have it on good authority the 'Jap's' are working on a Chelsea taxi version, that has a smaller model strapped to the back for tight spaces.


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