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Gawd my eldest will be in final year by then so would the xtra 2 years concurr after ???? it would cause my son more reason to sibling fight, he dont like school & him doing another 2 would be great for me but for him errr LOL!!!

Personally think its a great idea, how do kids know what to do with their life at 16 [erm ok they think they do :p] i didnt & still dont LOL!!!

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I think this is a great idea. Teens will get use to the idea too. It also means that the education they will receive will be free. As long as there are opportunities to train and develop vocational skills if you want them.

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excellent idea!
great way to solve the skills shortage without bringing it in from elsewhere.

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I was in the first year that copped the raising of the last school leaving age from 15 to 16 :mad:

Can't imagine it will make much difference to be honest. I think a large percentage go on to college anyway, a few go straight to a job but an ever increasing number leave school before they should by being expelled and usually don't bother with that other swear word... work :D

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no plan is without its possible problems but it's a start

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Just asked my ill one off school aka the oldest ...erm that suggestion went down like a lead balloon :rofl38: worse when i said it was to start on the last year of school so wouldnt escape it & would have to do 2 years extra of school :eek: not impressed but i am wayhey pmsl!!

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Quite a coincidence with mine being in the same year as yours, how often would you find father and daughter being hit by the same change of legislation xx number of years apart !

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thats mean:eek: ..........................LOL cant wait to tell my kids! :rolleyes: :D

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Question - if these young folks who now leave school at an earlier age do not want to be in the classroom, might they be disruptive and slow/stop the progress of those students who DO wish to get an education?

While I am very much in favor of folks getting an education, after a certain age I don't think you can successfully force it on young people.

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mmmm like father like daughter in many many ways then - a little scary heheheheehe:p:D

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:rofl38: well i thought i'd test the youngs impression of the idea....... omg trust me even bright kids aint happy about it - i think i have made one child that was poorly anyway even more poorly now :rofl38: to a rapture of Noooooooooooooooooooooo im not blah blah ....shame it cant lose its voice Hummmmph:rolleyes:

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Brilliant legalised torture lol


I think it will give kids something to do instead of hanging round the streets, although the change wont happen overnight, or maybe not ever in some parts of the country!
I went to school where kids didnt leave until they were 18 and no one thought anything of it. They were given a freedom they didnt have before and treated with respect by teacher and students. They hd thier own place to hang out and they loved it. I know my daughter will, and if her school admits her until she's 18, it will save her from leaving her mates.

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We used to have an alternative when I was younger, college or work. There was no 'I Am Cool' badge for being a dossing chav then :)

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I don't think leaving was ever 15... I was 14 when I left school but wasn't legally able to work until I was 15 (about 2 weeks later) only a few kids from each year where chosen to stay on and form one 5th yr class to do there O levels as it was then. I wasn't one of em :) This was a secondry modern school as it was newly named after being a high school...

As mentioned.. now most go to colledge for an extra 2 yrs anyways and arn't looking for a job until 18ish at least.. my eldest daughter is nearly ending 3 yrs (finishes this term) at colledge and then looks likely to be going to uni.. with 100% destinctions over current course then its only down to her choice :) she will be early 20s before she looks for a job..

I look at 14 or 15 yr olds now and can't imagine them in full time employment.. sigh.. I guess thats age eh.. gramps and all :)

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The badges actually say 'I am a chavette' :)

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I think they will still be able to join the army at 16 as this will be an extension of school, boy service in the army does not count as service for pensions etc, this starts at 18 or there abouts, so in effect it will be just like going to school.

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i signed up for the army and failed my medical (eyesight) a month before going in.. I got full wages for the time from signup to medical.... quite a nice lump sum :)

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My guess is that your birthday is July/August as you were 15 in that school year. Either that or you left school before 1944 :D



1870:First compulsory school for younger children
1880: Attendance officers enforce school for 5 to 10 year olds
1899: Leaving age raised to 12
1918: Full-time education compulsory up to 14
1944: Education Act raises leaving age to 15
1964: Raising of school leaving age to 16 announced, but not in place until 1972

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thats the one I came under... just... Aug 1st same as car reg plates... I also recall just missing out on being able to ride my Lambretta LI-150 without a crash helmet soon aftre...oh hum.... oh yeagh and decimilisation..... joke of the day was....whoever thought of that was too clever by 0.5 ...... no wasn't funny then either :)

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Question - at what age do students in the UK enter university?

Here in the US, most students earn their high school diplomas at age 18 or 19, but I was one of a relatively small group that completed at 17. Does the UK grant something similar to our high school diploma? Just curious! How would the new rules about school-leaving age apply in such a case?

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According to lancsdaves figures anyone leaving school at 14 would have to be 76+:D:D

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dont i look good for 76 :)

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Well your avitar certainly does your honour:D:D

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Willow,

It may very a bit from place to place (especially with regard to in which grade students move from elementary school to middle school).

These days, this is a fairly typical program:

Starting when you are age 5, you enter elementary school for six years(kindergarden and grades 1-5).

Assuming you did not skip or repeat a grade, you would be 11 when you transfer to Middle School (Grades 6-8, 3 years).

You would most likely be 14 when you enter high school (Grades 9-12, 4 years). Assuming you complete high school, you would most likely receive your high school diploma and graduate in June when you are age 18.

After high school, many of us went on to college or university. The only real difference in the US between the two is that colleges typically offer only four-year Bachelors degrees, while universities also offer Masters and Doctorates. My school, Dartmouth College, is ranked as a major research university. It is unlikely, for historical reasons, that it will ever be known as Dartmouth University, as that is the name the State of New Hampshire created when they made an unsuccessful move to invalidate the Royal Charter that created Dartmouth in 1769.

When I started school, we started in the fall of the year that we reached the age of 5. So, being born in late 1952, I started school in September 1957, at age four, along with the other kids born in 1952. Of course, I turned five shortly after school started.

In most states, students can legally drop out of school at age 16.

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This is a very valid point and probably a problem in all schools.

What about bringing back National Service. If they arnt into further education and not all of them are, they can do 2 years in the Army.

Make this counrty a better place.

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Idiotic.

Force people who don't want to be there to be stuck in education for another 2 years. This means the teachers having to hold them there for another 2 years and spend the time getting them to turn up and work rather than teaching the ones that actually want to be there.

The school leaving age at the moment is already too high. At the age of 14 you can tell who are wasting their time by staying in school. I feel sorry for the people who are going to be stuck with the same no-hopers for another 2 years thanks to this.

For me college is a breath of fresh air, there is no need for discipline, if someone doesn't want to be in the lesson, they don't have to stay, if a teacher wants someone out of the lesson, they kick them out. You are left with the people who want to do the work doing the work and the teachers can concentrate on their job - education not babysitting.

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I get the impression that the etxended years will be more of a college format than a school format, and more importantly with more options to do vocational subjects. Perhaps if schools did more subjects which covered more interesting subjects some of those who lose interest in the standrad stuiff may actually be interested in staying on.

Of course we know schools can't offer much more because that would mean taking money away from other sources like luxuries for prisoners and putting it where it's needed.

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Of course, National Service could also be more broadly defined. No reason why those young folks couldn't be put to work cleaning and restoring parks and other sites of interest.

As my sister said when one of my nephews dropped out of university, there's nothing quite as useful as a year or two in a really dull job to help develop the motivation for education!

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There is already strong competition for the vocational courses. This leaves the armed forces or college. For the people who don't want to get shot at this leaves college and when college is forced into accepting pupils and keeping them there it becomes just like school.

The schools are not to blame for not having intresting courses. It is simply that some people would rather go and get stoned, ****ed etc. Hell, it's a lot more fun than any lesson. If that's what people want to do let them wreck their lives, we're gonna need binmen in 20 years time just as much as we do now.

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Sounds like a great idea to me;sadly my own monster may miss the deadline;she will be due to leave secondary in 2013;suppose we will need to see the timescale for it.Either way she will be going into further eductaion form school.

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It's pointless to keep some 16-18 year olds in school if the curriculum is strictly academic. If they're not interested in academic subjects by age 16 it won't change in the extra 2 years. If, however, those 2 years will encompass skill courses for those who are more suited to them then fine. In the absence of the apprenticeships we used to have this could be the way forward for learning a trade.

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i think its a good idea,gives a child longer to think of what they want to do when they leave school

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Will it means that some young people will be going to school as married couples, pushing their baby buggy?

Personally I think sixteen is old enough to decide if you do, or don't want to continue in education.

Some people left school as soon as possible, and went on to found multi-million pound empires. Others stay until they've made it last until they get a Phd, and still can't get a job on leaving.

A greater concern to me, than the school leaving age, is that further education should be available to all kids, if they want it, regardless of how rich their parents are.

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Why should the rest of us who work and pay tax support people who want to wreck their lives?
What makes you think their is anything wrong with being a binman. I would like to see you try it in the weather we have had this week.

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My best friend is now a qualified accountant but he worked on the bins during college holidays. Said if the pay would have been better than he's on now he would switch jobs straight away. Since those days it's got better cos they don't even lift the bins now and the hours are shorter :)

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The advantage of being a bin man is that you don't need many qualifications. :D

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Nah but you need a degree in waste materials so you know whats in the bin and what to report back to the big wigs :D

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Do you have to be able to program those bin chips as well :D

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What sort of fish should one order with bin chips?:p