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Forthright= Direct and without evasion

Above is the definition of forthright, which is something you don't seem to have been in this thread.

You started it with:-
and despite people asking you politely, you have continued to evade telling them what exactly it is that you wanted our M.P. to do. How then can you expect anyone on here to give an honest opinion about the result of what he has done for you, if you are not willing to give them all the facts?

If what you asked was of such personal nature that you can't discuss it on here then I for one think you are going to have to learn to live with the results of what he has done for you because if with the facts given to him by you, Greg couldn't help, how can we decide that he didn't try hard enough for you when we don't know what you're talking about?

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On a side note less, is your avatar from the game Dungeon Keeper?

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No it isn't. :D

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I have met Greg on many occasions and he is a very decent and professional bloke.He helped the Our Price employees when we were made redundant 3 years ago and was very supportive throughout the whole sorry mess that it became. He has my support and faith in him;he does a great job;is often on the receiving end of unwarranted criticism and works incredibly hard for Hyndburn. The alternative is too hideous to contemplate.

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Ok here's my two pence..... The only people who seem to be talking any real sense on the majority of this thread (not including those of you who have only chipped in here and there) are Cyfr and Garinda.

Kipax, with the greatest of respect, you are being a total ar*e.

And as for Skippy, the vagueness, the reticence, the evasiveness, the deliberate anti everything Greg Pope wise stance.......are you real or are you "someone else"?????????

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all i am asking is what has he done.. i have even posted saying i dont know and he has probably done a lot and does a good job.. i just dont know and wanted someone to tell me.. whats wrogn with that


and for that you post personal insults at me....something you wouldnt do to my face by the way.. and yes i do know who you are.

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I thought I provided a very valid opinion based on my own personal experience - what more can anyone be expected to do?

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Willow I agree with you, I said in my post "except those of you who have only chipped in"

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Perhaps you have been relegated to the,

section.

If that is the case this 'shady' person doesn't know you because you never just chip in, you always jump in feet first and beggar the consequences!:D

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Kipax, I know you know who I am and that's why I posted what I did. I didn't say you WERE an ar*e, I said you were BEING an ar*e. And yes, I would say it to your face in this instance because I believe you were BEING one.

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In which case my feet have been very restrained today :p

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to less i told everyone that my issue was a council issue i dont see why i would want to blab my personal circumstances to everyone on the forum. thats my choice . im not peter britcliffe in disguise .im being treated like a deamon foor challenging the likes ogfgreg i expect someone of gregs standing to be forthright especially in a face to face meeting. i am not evasive just a private person and bye the way greg indicate later that he has little influence with council issues because it is tory run. i call this fobbing off .

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Actually... I apologise.. I shouldnt have said that... it goes against everything I say about a messageboard ....about not overlapping into real life...

I just think it was a bit off to single me out ... I mean who the hell are you anyways!! ... :)

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Shady I don't mean to be impolite ... but remove your tongue from Cyfr and Rinds a*se, brown doesn't suit you! There has been many valid points in this thread! You may not agree with them but that doesn't make them any less valid :rolleyes:

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What are you talking about? you are making even less sense now than you were before.
If you don't give the facts then people cannot give an honest opinion on how you have been dealt with, so the whole thread becomes a moot point.

Below is a quote of what I said regarding this thread, where you managed to read an accusation of you being Peter Britcliffe or to decide that I was demonising you from that I've no idea.

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Just to back Kipax up I too remember the columm where he admitted that his vote on Iraq was against the wishes of his constituents as it was the base of my email to him at the time.

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Willow your being silly now, that situation would not arise because our councils esteemed leader would have fast tracked an idea like that through all the planning stages and at the same time announced in the Obbo' how hard he was working to bring new jobs into the area.:rolleyes:

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We all know Kipax likes winding people up and sometimes tends to talk through his rear end but this time he's totally correct in what he says. Have a read at this from Greg's very own website:

I certainly wasn’t short of advice in the run-up to the vote. Some of my friends, family and colleagues are opposed to the war and either went on the Stop the War march or otherwise supported it. Labour Party members I’ve known for decades, people who during the 1980s helped drag Labour back from the edge of lunacy and into electability, urged me to oppose it. Some of my best friends in the Commons went in to the division lobbies to oppose the war. Many constituents rang or wrote or e-mailed me and urged me to oppose it too. They probably speak for a majority of voters in Hyndburn. So why did I vote the other way?

Full article: http://www.gregpope.co.uk/story.asp?storyID=6

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Surely our MP must have some form of influence with the Borough Council, and it's not all that Tory controlled even though Mr. Britcliffe appears to act like President Mugabe, Mr Pope must have some form of dialogue with them.

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Thanks for finding that.

It's not quite what Kipax said though.

He implied that Greg Pope and said that he voted for the war, knowing that the majority of his constituents were opposed to it. Something I would have agreed with Kipax with, he didn't know, there wasn't a refereundum in the Borough.

Him saying 'probably' isn't knowing it as fact.

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I think standing up for his beliefs, even if in this case I think he was wrong, shows backbone, and not the actions of a man whose strings are pulled by people higher up in his party, as has been suggested.

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Like I said earlier, I'm glad MPs constantly reject calls for the re-intoduction of the death penalty, no mattter how much evidence is presented that the majority of the public would seem to back it.

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I have been going on about this point for a long time. National politics are very different from local politics - we have an MP to discuss national issues (admittedly some affect local issues) and we have a council to make decisions on local issues. The two things really are very different - as an example

The national government would make the decision about how much budget should be allocated to defense or the NHS - the local council will make the decision as to whether a doctors surgery can have planning permission to expand.

Your MP can join the fight to allow the doctors surgery to have planning permission but it is really not his decision.

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dear gayle i find your comments somewhat patronising to the point where you write like a teacher correcting a pupil. you assume we are not familier with the role of mps local gov etc but the point is good local mps have passion and great concern for local issues even if the council make the decisions. they dont just pass the buck by saying the council is run by a rival party. greg for me lacks passion

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dear skippy, in no way was I being patronising to you - I have had similar arguments with other people, in fact, I'm surprised that Wynonie hasn't jumped on my comments. A lot of people are not familiar with the role of mps and local government, so much so that they blame the national government for issues that are local. You might be able to tell the difference but others can't. The whole thread illustrates everything I've been trying to say for months about national and local politics.

I was defending Greg because he's not in the country to defend himself.

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Gayle, I'm well aware that national and local politics are very different animals. I don't live in his constituency anymore, so I can't comment on Greg's performance as a local MP. I do, however, find his views on Iraq a bit dodgy. If he's so concerned about getting rid of murderous dictators, will he now be pressing for an invasion of Robert Mugabwe's Zimbabwe? No, of course not...I wonder why?

All my verbal tussles with you have simply been concerned with discovering your views on various national issues which you sometimes appear reluctant to share with us. I realise that your involvement at local level is another story altogether and, going on the impression I've built up of your commitment to local issues, I would definitely have voted for you if I'd been residing in the St Andrew's ward at the time of the last local elections!

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Point taken Gayle, I must admit I was a bit blinkered in thinking even the good Lord himself could put any sense 'OUR LEADERS' skull. At last we agree on something (i think).:D

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followed this thread with interest , my thoughts are there are two types of Labour MP , #1 a friend of Tony , someone shipped in from outside by party HQ to a safe labour seat , no local links but a place in the party hierarchy (think Jack Straw and Peter Hain) and #2 a Tony drone , a local MP with strong local links who is just there just to supply the necessary party vote but with no influence over Party/Govt. policy (think Greg Pope) .

Regarding local matters, I think a Tony drone MP would be better able to get involved and help his constituants with local problems/matters since he/she has usually moved up into the job from local govt. (Borough/County Council etc.) and knows who is who, and knows where the bodies are buried .

Before anyone jumps down on me ...I acknowledge that there are exceptions to every rule as was prooved in the last election South Wales when the local folk rejected a Party stooge and went for the local , and also the other way a few years back when a "Tory grandee" Harold McMillan was able to represent Stockton for so many years .

:) :)

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That's what I thought with Greg being a local he'd have had some 'pull', as you rightly said dead bodies and the like, but I'm begining to wonder if 'OUR COUNCIL LEADER' may have some aspirations in taking over from our current MP, hence the lack of co-operation.

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Our council leader didn't get voted in when he ran against Greg Pope, and in 2005 it was a different Conservative candidate .. I forget his name, he was/is a human rights activist mainly in Burma I think.

I have no idea what some of you are talking about when you say Greg Pope lacks passion. I seriously considered joining Labour on the basis of my meeting with Greg Pope because he came across as such a genuine person who really wanted better for his country and constituents.

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Quick call an ambulance Gayle has just had a heart attack :D :D

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If you notice Wynonie has been a bit crafty here and qualified his response.

(IF i'd been residing in St Andrews Ward) get it IF.:D

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Don't know where you get the idea from that I've got a downer on Gayle. Although I've never had the pleasure of meeting her, I'm of the opinion that she is a diligent and hard-working individual who would go the extra mile for her constituents, if she were ever elected to the council.

The fact that she's a member of a party whose leaders are hypocritical, incompetent and display a deep contempt for democracy is neither here nor there. We all have our little faults! ;)

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Hi

I hesitate to add to this thread but felt I ought to explain one aspect of why I voted for the war, and I certainly didn't mean to ignore the views of people in Hyndburn. To be honest I don't know what the views of everyone in Hyndburn was at the time, but I guess like most of the country it was fairly evenly split (depsite the large campaign against the war polls showed that public opinion was divided). My point was that, even if there was a majority against the war, on such a vital issue MPs had to make a choice on what they thought was right for the country. All MPs had a variety of pressures on them in the run-up to the vote - the views of constituents, family, friends, colleagues, party members, whips and so on. I decided, after a lot of thought, that I had to do what I believed was right and then face the consequences, which might mean losing my seat. I said at the last election that 'sometimes you have to do what is right rather than what is popular' and I stand by that, but that doesn't mean ignoring the views of my constituents. It does mean would rather lose doing what is right than win by being false to you.

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Thank you Greg for taking the time to come and explain here. :)

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Well at least we know now the reasoning behind your descision Greg. Sometimes we all have to make a hard choice in our lives that wont be popular.

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Thank's for the input Greg, I, probably along with some other members of accyweb, realise a lot of the Iraq discussion is carried out with the benefit of hindsight. The initial invasion was to rid the World of Saddam Hussein, and not to create a new 'Vietnam'.

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on such a vital issue MPs had to make a choice on what they thought was right for the country. All MPs had a variety of pressures on them in the run-up to the vote - appreciate your input greg, was a difficult dilema granted,my view has always been- an M.P. first and foremost should always represent his constituents and to me not one of them did.many views have changed since the war i realise that.again thanks for your input.