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shakermaker 17-01-2007 20:56

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Raised to 151 of your hard earned english crowns.

I wish they'd just put adverts on...

lancsdave 17-01-2007 21:14

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 369972)
Raised to 151 of your hard earned english crowns.

I wish they'd just put adverts on...

This must be the most underhand tax in the UK.

jackyalex 17-01-2007 21:40

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i only watch bbc 1 for two programmes,doubt i'd get a discount though

***Mr D*** 17-01-2007 21:45

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I hate paying this bill.

Plus the cost of Sky £242.00:mad:

andrewb 17-01-2007 21:59

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Completely wrong is BBC tax. Perhaps there should be a state tv channel with MUCH lower cost, for giving out information that might be relevant, perhaps news at 10, but the rest of the stuff? Should be paid for by advertisements like every other station.

shakermaker 17-01-2007 22:06

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 370001)
I hate paying this bill.

Plus the cost of Sky £242.00:mad:

Ah but you don't have to have Sky to watch TV.

I wish we could just have the option to take off BBC channels.
Then again, we'd get radio tax...

maxwell silver 17-01-2007 22:16

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151 quid?For watching Ceefax twice a day:eek: I usually pay the licence,but this year we'll all be chipping in.Scandelous:(

maccy 17-01-2007 22:27

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we should have a choice wat we want 2 watch and listen 2 not told we have 2 pay even tho we dont use or need it!
U wouldnt buy a car pay tax on it not use it and keep it on your drive!

sarah 17-01-2007 22:39

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Where have you got this price from? It only went up by £5 last year, so I doubt very much that this time it will be jumping up by almost £20. Incidently it is the tv signal that you are receiving that you are paying for, NOT the BBC channels, and the fee is set by the goverment, NOT the BBC.

chav1 17-01-2007 22:41

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you should have teh right to opt out of bbc1 it sis forced purchasing , i wish i cold force peopel to pay fro somthing they didnt want

to me it is a total infringment on our human rights because we are forced into paying for it regardless if we want it or not

i for one do not need or want it yet i have to pay for it :mad:

teh bbc is a buisness and it should have to pay its own way just like every single other channel does

sky are just as bad because they charge a monthly fee and have adverts , the greedy bastards

maccy 17-01-2007 22:43

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Originally Posted by sarah (Post 370021)
Where have you got this price from? It only went up by £5 last year, so I doubt very much that this time it will be jumping up by almost £20. Incidently it is the tv signal that you are receiving that you are paying for, NOT the BBC channels, and the fee is set by the goverment, NOT the BBC.

it gose up to that over just couple of years

chav1 17-01-2007 22:48

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the bbc for teh past 2 years have been trying to bring in a internet licence ontop of the tv license because the internet can access the bbc website

i sh1t you not so thats another fee we will be forced to pay yet what about peope all over the owrld not in teh uk who can also access their site

is teh bbc powerfull enough to make the world pay up or is our govenment happy to just let them screw us

its teh govenment that allows the bbc to do this and every govenment has ignored petion after petition with thousand upon thousands of signatures

remember the govenment is here to represent us and carry out what we want i a democratic order

i say the majority of people dont want tv license fees so in theory we shouldnt have them

garinda 17-01-2007 22:49

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Part of the BBC's charter states that it has to provide 'quality' and 'educational' programmes.

As much as I may like both Graham Norton and Jonathon Ross, the multi-multi-million pound contracts for them both, amongst others, funded by the licence payer, to me is a load of b*llocks, and the sooner the BBC has to join the rest of the Western world in the free market economy, the better.

chav1 17-01-2007 22:51

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its easy to squander money when you have a guarenteed income

maccy 17-01-2007 22:51

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 370028)
the bbc for teh past 2 years have been trying to bring in a internet licence ontop of the tv license because the internet can access the bbc website

i sh1t you not so thats another fee we will be forced to pay yet what about peope all over the owrld not in teh uk who can also access their site

is teh bbc powerfull enough to make the world pay up or is our govenment happy to just let them screw us

its teh govenment that allows the bbc to do this and every govenment has ignored petion after petition with thousand upon thousands of signatures

remember the govenment is here to represent us and carry out what we want i a democratic order

i say the majority of people dont want tv license fees so in theory we shouldnt have them

very true hit the nail on the head!!

chav1 17-01-2007 22:53

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maybe the only way to get the peoples message to parliment is tuen up in thousands threatening to burn it down like they used to in the olden days

garinda 17-01-2007 22:54

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She got rid of every other nationalised industry, I'm just suprised Thatcher let the BBC slip through her fingers.

shakermaker 17-01-2007 22:57

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Originally Posted by sarah (Post 370021)
Where have you got this price from?

Sarah, it was confirmed on the news earlier tonight.

maccy 17-01-2007 22:58

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 370034)
She got rid of every other nationalised industry, I'm just suprised Thatcher let the BBC slip through her fingers.

proberly because it helped suport her lol:D

shillelagh 18-01-2007 00:13

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I got my new tv licence this morning and its £131.50 until 31.01.08.

garinda 18-01-2007 00:14

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 370056)
I got my new tv licence this morning and its £131.50 until 31.01.08.


...don't forget to recycle your old one.:D

shillelagh 18-01-2007 00:25

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It hasnt ran out yet!!!

jedimaster 18-01-2007 01:47

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Originally Posted by sarah (Post 370021)
Where have you got this price from? It only went up by £5 last year, so I doubt very much that this time it will be jumping up by almost £20. Incidently it is the tv signal that you are receiving that you are paying for, NOT the BBC channels, and the fee is set by the goverment, NOT the BBC.

i actually think they said it will rise to £151 by 2012
but it is still a bleedin rip off as many have said why pay tax on something you don't use!

steeljack 18-01-2007 05:35

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Chipping in as a foreigner, just want to say that the BBC produces some of the best television in the world and you guys don't know how lucky you are , obviously some of the on-air talent is grossly over-paid, their wages could be cut by a half and these folks would still be climbing over each other for air time, where else are they going find to work ...the northern WMC circuit ? or the end of a pier somewhere .
Television here in the US is an abombination , designed for the best advertising demographic (young urban males aged between 18 and 30) incidentally the same demo has the lowest attention span , i.e. television programing for dolts, not sure what the limits are in the UK , but here in the US advertising takes up a minimum of 18 minutes of every hour of broadcasting and radio even more , I'm sure the folks calling for wholesale commercial television don't want that .
One of the few bright spots we have are our PBS stations which show BBC programs, (a one hour episode of Prime Suspect without any interuptions is priceless), and carry BBC World News , believe me when I say the BBC World News 1/2 hour program beats any US news program hands down.
I'm not sure how the finances work at the BBC and can understand folks being upset at the licence fee considering how much money, effort and energy is spent on the world service , (to my mind the world service should be financed by the Govt. since its an arm of the Govt. 'propagnda' division).

SPUGGIE J 18-01-2007 07:20

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I am gonna disagree with that Steeljack apart from were some of the wildlife documentories are concerned. I begrudge paying it considering some of the crap and repeats thats on.

garinda 18-01-2007 08:23

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 370087)
Chipping in as a foreigner, just want to say that the BBC produces some of the best television in the world and you guys don't know how lucky you are , obviously some of the on-air talent is grossly over-paid, their wages could be cut by a half and these folks would still be climbing over each other for air time, where else are they going find to work ...the northern WMC circuit ? or the end of a pier somewhere .
Television here in the US is an abombination , designed for the best advertising demographic (young urban males aged between 18 and 30) incidentally the same demo has the lowest attention span , i.e. television programing for dolts, not sure what the limits are in the UK , but here in the US advertising takes up a minimum of 18 minutes of every hour of broadcasting and radio even more , I'm sure the folks calling for wholesale commercial television don't want that .
One of the few bright spots we have are our PBS stations which show BBC programs, (a one hour episode of Prime Suspect without any interuptions is priceless), and carry BBC World News , believe me when I say the BBC World News 1/2 hour program beats any US news program hands down.
I'm not sure how the finances work at the BBC and can understand folks being upset at the licence fee considering how much money, effort and energy is spent on the world service , (to my mind the world service should be financed by the Govt. since its an arm of the Govt. 'propagnda' division).


Do you have to pay to watch PBS?

***Mr D*** 18-01-2007 10:27

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 370007)
Ah but you don't have to have Sky to watch TV.

I wish we could just have the option to take off BBC channels.
Then again, we'd get radio tax...

You do when you dont have an ariel and only a sky dish.

shakermaker 18-01-2007 10:31

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Fair enough. Could you try freeview? You only pay for the set top box & then you're away, no bills for it or anything.

***Mr D*** 18-01-2007 10:38

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 370161)
Fair enough. Could you try freeview? You only pay for the set top box & then you're away, no bills for it or anything.

I wish but misses loves Sky One.

I would cancel Sky otherwise, its supprising what you actually get for free.

shakermaker 18-01-2007 10:42

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I miss 24 a hell of a lot from Sky One but some programmes are repeated on Sky3 during the week which is on Freeview, I dunno it's worth a look. Sky's prices are scandalous.

entwisi 18-01-2007 10:49

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IMHo it would be good to bring in a PAYG type pricing for all programs. At the beginning it tells you how much each program costs to watch and you choose whether to pay it or not watch it. This could be across all channels It could range from a couple of quid for a footy game to 5p for stuff like corrie which has millions of viewers. It would certainly drive teh quality up if each program is effectively being rated by the number of people who pay to watch it.

shakermaker 18-01-2007 11:02

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Surely that would end up costing more than the TV license though, entwisi?
Take a regular(ish) household watching 3 soaps every night of the week.
Then watching a footy game maybe twice a month, more during world cups/euro championships/other sporting tournaments like olympics.
Then your news and other programmes on top of it and add a teenager who wants to flick channels all day long then you've got one hefty bill.

***Mr D*** 18-01-2007 11:13

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 370165)
I miss 24 a hell of a lot from Sky One but some programmes are repeated on Sky3 during the week which is on Freeview, I dunno it's worth a look. Sky's prices are scandalous.

Sky are a total rip of.

Funnly its 24 that she likes the most and with the new one starting this sunday I have no chance of cancelling I would be shot.:D

Ianto.W. 18-01-2007 12:12

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There are ways round not paying, You could chuck it in the nearest skip, or move someone over 75 years old in with you, and put tv licence in their name, i'll bet there's a lot at the later without wanting to get personal.

***Mr D*** 18-01-2007 12:16

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 370185)
There are ways round not paying, You could chuck it in the nearest skip, or move someone over 75 years old in with you, and put tv licence in their name, i'll bet there's a lot at the later without wanting to get personal.

Or say you have a black & White TV.

Ianto.W. 18-01-2007 12:54

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 370187)
Or say you have a black & White TV.

You pay a reduced fee for those (i dont know wether its the black bit or the white bit):D

sarah 18-01-2007 13:42

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The license fee is going up by £3.50 to £135.00. The rise to £151.00 isn't coming about until 2012, and that's to help fund the switch over to digital tv.

Saying that you have a monochrome set only, won't help you either, as chances are someone may call round to check. Plus if you do have a b&w set, but also a video, then you still need to purchase a colour licence, because your video receives a colour signal, and it's the receiving of that signal that you are paying for.

chav1 18-01-2007 14:37

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i have no tv areiel and no sky tv or ntl or anything yet because i have a tv for my xbox i have to pay

utter bollox

i dont have an ariel because i moved in 6months ago and the house dosnt have one

i get all my tv shows from america off the internet and watch them on either my pc or transfer them to my xbox and watch them on my tv

these are recorded in america and have nothing to do with the uk what so ever

yes its a grey area but definatly not the bbc's buisness :rolleyes:

sarah 18-01-2007 14:43

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 370260)
i have no tv areiel and no sky tv or ntl or anything yet because i have a tv for my xbox i have to pay

utter bollox

i dont have an ariel because i moved in 6months ago and the house dosnt have one

i get all my tv shows from america off the internet and watch them on either my pc or transfer them to my xbox and watch them on my tv

these are recorded in america and have nothing to do with the uk what so ever

yes its a grey area but definatly not the bbc's buisness :rolleyes:

If you are just using your tv for watching either pre-recorded dvds or videos, or are using it for gaming, ie Xbox or playstation, then you do not need a tv license.

chav1 18-01-2007 14:45

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Originally Posted by sarah (Post 370262)
If you are just using your tv for watching either pre-recorded dvds or videos, or are using it for gaming, ie Xbox or playstation, then you do not need a tv license.

chav cancells monthly payment scam immidiatly :D

thanx :)

Ianto.W. 18-01-2007 14:53

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[quote sarah], because your video receives a colour signal, and it's the receiving of that signal that you are paying for.[/quote] If you have no incoming ariel socket on your video and just use it for playing films to a tv monitor you do not need a tv licence as you are not receiving a signal. This has been through the courts several years ago.

sarah 18-01-2007 15:03

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 370271)
[quote sarah], because your video receives a colour signal, and it's the receiving of that signal that you are paying for.

If you have no incoming ariel socket on your video and just use it for playing films to a tv monitor you do not need a tv licence as you are not receiving a signal. This has been through the courts several years ago.[/quote]

Think I've already said that.

***Mr D*** 18-01-2007 16:22

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It would also appear that if your phone can receive and show TV you still need a licence.:confused: :mad:

Ianto.W. 18-01-2007 17:49

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Originally Posted by sarah (Post 370281)
If you have no incoming ariel socket on your video and just use it for playing films to a tv monitor you do not need a tv licence as you are not receiving a signal. This has been through the courts several years ago.

Think I've already said that.[/quote]
Sorry sarah, put it down to old age you are quite correct.:o

panther 18-01-2007 18:08

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you also need a licence if you have a tv card in your PC!!:D
a colour licence for a black and white telly if you have a video put to it too!:D (can you still buy balck and white tellys???)

jambutty 18-01-2007 18:26

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Oh! No! Not this old chestnut again!

Those who object to the license seem to think that the BBC should stand on its own two feet and not be funded by the TV License.

The real truth of the matter is that the BBC doesn’t get the license money and whether the BBC should stand on its own two feet or not does not come into the issue. That is a separate argument and has no place in the license debate.

The government gets that money because the government has decreed by law that anyone who wants to use a TV has to have a license to do so. Much in the same way that hams need a license to chat over the airways. Or CB enthusiasts, if there are any left, need a license to do their thing. Drivers need a license to be able to drive on the public highway or armed forces property and if they want to take their vehicle on the public highway or armed forces property they need a Road Fund License. There was a time when people needed a Dog License to own and keep a dog.

The government funds the BBC from government funds. Government funds are made up from all sorts of taxation, which also include the TV license fee. Whether the BBC gets more or less than the fee raised is open to conjecture. But the BBC also makes money over and above the government handout. They make first rate TV and Radio programmes and sell them all over the world and then there is the marketing side with records, CD’s, DVD’s etc. Of course they also buy a load of tripe from the states but then that is what most people want to watch over here. American dross.

If there were no BBC we would still need a TV License. The license does not guarantee that you can receive TV programmes so those people complaining that they cannot receive channel five and deserve a cheaper license fee haven’t got a case.

That all said the fee of £135.50 pa (that’s just £2.61 per week or a fraction over 37p per day) is exceptionally good value. Even when it rises to £150 pa it will still be terrific value. If you and your family watch just one film per week it is still a mile cheaper than going to a cinema and more comfortable.

So for just 37p per day and a one off fee of about £50 for a digibox most people in the UK can have over 30 channels to choose from for no extra cost.

I am very discerning about what I watch on TV and consider much of what is shown as drivel but I can usually find something that is to my liking.

Dons anti flack jacket, steel helmet and crouches down inside an armoured car.

chav1 if you have a TV set in the house that is CAPABLE of receiving TV signals either through an aerial, cable or satellite dish you have to have a license for it. If your computer or any other equipment can do the same you have to have a TV license. But you are right it is none of the BBC’s business and it never has been directly. It is government business and the law.

It’s not what you are using your TV for sarah but what it is CAPABLE of being used for. If the detector van comes a calling and your TV set is not in use or you are watching video and you don’t have a TV license you will still get done. To get away with it you would have to prove that you do not watch TV programmes by any means and the only way you can do that is to prove that your TV is not CAPABLE of receiving and showing TV programmes.
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It would also appear that if your phone can receive and show TV you still need a licence
That too is being argued about ***Mr D*** but I cannot see how they will be able to police it.

chav1 18-01-2007 18:28

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thankyou for the long explination

heres the short one

BBC IS BOLLOX :D

lancsdave 18-01-2007 18:31

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 370459)
Oh! No! Not this old chestnut again!

If you and your family watch just one film per week it is still a mile cheaper than going to a cinema and more comfortable.


That may be true but the ones at the cinema are in colour :)

***Mr D*** 18-01-2007 18:35

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 370459)
Oh! That too is being argued about ***Mr D*** but I cannot see how they will be able to police it.

The only real way is the old 'you get a phone on contract which supports TV techno, then they kindly inform the TV licence People that you have a TV phone'.

I have heard this is what happens when you buy a new TV.:confused:

jambutty 18-01-2007 18:47

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If you don’t like the BBC then don’t watch it chav1. It’s not rocket science. But whatever you do watch on your TV receiving equipment you will need a license to do so. If you don’t like that lobby your MP.

Most of the films on TV are in colour lancsdave. However if the black and white ones were also shown in cinemas they would still be black and white. Except possibly African Queen. The clever people have managed to turn the black and white film into colour but then the colour version has been shown on telly not too long ago.

I’m afraid that is correct ***Mr D***. When you buy a new TV the seller informs the TV licensing authority. Try buying one without giving your name and address. You might be able to if you pay cash and insist on not telling them. I’m not sure what would happen then because I’ve never seen any notice in places like Comet informing customers that they must give their name and address when buying a TV. Of course you could always give a false name and address.

chav1 18-01-2007 18:58

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Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 370488)
If you don’t like the BBC then don’t watch it chav1. It’s not rocket science. .


err i dont , i will watch it at other peoples houses if its on but thats about it but to be honest most my friends watch satelite tv stations like sky one etc

as for lobbying local mps people have been petitioning against it for years but every govenment has ignored the people

like peopel say it is a tax and nothing else

if not watching the bbc got you off the licence fee 99% of teh country woudnt be paying it

steeljack 18-01-2007 18:59

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 370109)
Do you have to pay to watch PBS?

no , its partly funded by the Govt. think it was set up in the early days to serve areas out of reach of regular services , most of the funding these days is raised in each local community by pledge drives about twice a year , generally each station reflects the area where it is based , for example the San Francisco station is a bit more urban in its programing than the San Jose (Silicon Valley) station which has a 'better' educated viewership and therefore tends to show more BBC programs.

:D

garinda 18-01-2007 23:36

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 370498)
no , its partly funded by the Govt. think it was set up in the early days to serve areas out of reach of regular services , most of the funding these days is raised in each local community by pledge drives about twice a year , generally each station reflects the area where it is based , for example the San Francisco station is a bit more urban in its programing than the San Jose (Silicon Valley) station which has a 'better' educated viewership and therefore tends to show more BBC programs.

:D

So you don't directly pay to watch it.

It fills me with joy then, that my licence fee here in the UK helps to provide you with 'quality' programmes c/o the BBC, in the States.:D

chav1 19-01-2007 00:35

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on the bbc news tonight it said that the bbc asked the govenment to raise the fee to just under £200 so that they could expand and open up a new site

the govenment capped them at £150 i think it said saying that the bbc could still acheive it goals with that money

so as said on bbc news yes the bbc do get the money

steeljack 19-01-2007 01:28

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 370693)
So you don't directly pay to watch it.

It fills me with joy then, that my licence fee here in the UK helps to provide you with 'quality' programmes c/o the BBC, in the States.:D

According to the credits on some programs many are joint ventures , which I suppose means we supply the financing and you supply the talent ,:rolleyes:
I'm sure the stations pay for any programs they obtain from the BBC they do not get them for free ,thats why they have pledge drives to pay for them , plus there is a bit of a time lag , e.g. on Eastenders , we are up to the incest thing with the cab drivers family , they are also re-running the 1st series of Last of the Summer Wine :D :D :D

chav1 19-01-2007 02:28

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oooh just remembered somthing

i once got a porno that had been recorded on a foreighn tv adult station and guess whos logo was in the top left hand corner

yep the BBC'S logo and it was pretty sick stuff too

makes you wonder where our money is been spent dosnt it

ps:

i posted a screenshot of the movie in the 18 section a long time ago, i dont have teh movie no more because ime not into gimp masks etc :eek:

definatly the bbc logo and it wasnt photoshoped in either it wa there all the way through the movie

grannyclaret 19-01-2007 08:31

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My licence is not due until the end of February ,and i got a reminder BEFORE xmas , saying to pay it by direct debit,, :eek:
you are going to need a morgage soon..:mad:

Acrylic-bob 21-01-2007 12:44

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 369972)
Raised to 151 of your hard earned english crowns.


At the risk of appearing to be pedantic can I just point out that, in the days when we still had such things, a Crown was defined as Five Shillings which equates to 25 pence in current coinage. With that in mind, 151 Crowns would be the decimal equivalent of £37.75. Which, I must say, is about all that the current output from the BBC is worth.

shakermaker 21-01-2007 12:50

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There's always one...

panther 21-01-2007 16:23

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 370756)
My licence is not due until the end of February ,and i got a reminder BEFORE xmas , saying to pay it by direct debit,, :eek:

me too due in febraury but not the reminder, i havent got that yet! hey with a bit off luck they forgot about me:rolleyes: (yeh right)

they should bloody scrap it!! and advertise like the rest do:D

sarah 21-01-2007 20:11

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 371973)
me too due in febraury but not the reminder, i havent got that yet! hey with a bit off luck they forgot about me:rolleyes: (yeh right)

they should bloody scrap it!! and advertise like the rest do:D

Grannyclaret, the letter that you received before Xmas was exactly that, a letter. Purely to bring to your attention the option of direct debit as a payment method, seeing as the Post Office no longer deals with TV Licensing.


The renewal notice itself is always sent out in the month of expiry of the current license.


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