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Mancie 20-01-2007 02:26
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A goverment aid has been arrested in a dawn raid ..is there a hint that the police have over reacted here..? most dawn raids are taken in the understanding that fire arms are involved....I think the police are infested with tories..

steeljack 20-01-2007 03:30
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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 371217)
A goverment aid has been arrested in a dawn raid ..is there a hint that the police have over reacted here..? most dawn raids are taken in the understanding that fire arms are involved....I think the police are infested with tories..
Yep the ones who wear aprons and roll their trouser legs up , actually I think your web buddy in Ossy may be one, not that I think he will ever admit it .

;) :D

SPUGGIE J 20-01-2007 09:25
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In this day and age everything is for sale. The way society is now a title aint what it used to be a 100 years ago and its in my opinion an ego thing .

shakermaker 20-01-2007 09:42
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I'm afraid it's nothing new Spuggie.
The Lords & Ladies of England have been bent as a 9 bob note for centuries.

However they used to hide it a wee bit better...

Mancie 20-01-2007 10:08
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Just pionting out that the Met seem to think they are doing a good job on Labour.. I don't recall the same arrests made on Willets,Hamilton.. both were proven to have taken bribes.. and it was 5 years later when Archer was found to be guilty of perjury.. bye the bye.. he looks like a nice bloke Geof.. giving all that money away...... just goes to show.. you can't keep a GOOD TORY down.

Neil 20-01-2007 10:09
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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 371226)
I think your web buddy in Ossy may be one, not that I think he will ever admit it
A what? A firearms Officer involved in dawn raids? :confused:

Ianto.W. 20-01-2007 10:13
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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 371226)
Yep the ones who wear aprons and roll their trouser legs up , actually I think your web buddy in Ossy may be one, not that I think he will ever admit it .

;) :D
I wonder who that could be Mancie?:D

SPUGGIE J 20-01-2007 10:16
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Does that meen ther will be a dawn raid in Ossy then?

***Mr D*** 20-01-2007 10:20
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Here is the story.

http://newsbbc.co.uk/

She looks like a bad un.:D

Mancie 20-01-2007 10:23
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you have lost me on this one.. aprons? trousers?... no wonder all the pie shops closed down, what has union road come too??

shakermaker 20-01-2007 10:39
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Just back to the point of the thread - it's not surprising that the Met have done this.
This is the same Met that put 8 bullets in the back of an innocent bloke after 7/7.
S'pose it's revealing our 'special relationship' with America, eh.

Neil 20-01-2007 11:10
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 371271)
This is the same Met that put 8 bullets in the back of an innocent bloke after 7/7.
Was he the bloke who did not stop when ordered?

shakermaker 20-01-2007 11:20
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That's no justification for shooting the living **** out of him.

andrewb 20-01-2007 12:09
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It is if he acted in a way that made them think he was a terrorist with a bomb..

shakermaker 20-01-2007 12:32
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Any non-caucasian person carrying a rucksack is judged to be acting like a terrorist with a bomb.
It's hardly suspicious behaviour.

Nothing justifies that man's death.

andrewb 20-01-2007 12:38
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Running away from police in a tube station whilst having dark skin and a rucksack probably wasn't the best thing to do. Of course he didn't deserve it and that dosn't justify taking someones life, but he could well have been a terrorist in the circumstances so they had few options..

SPUGGIE J 20-01-2007 12:51
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Its not just in London were a rucksack and Dark skin atracts attention. The support centre we have at work has people of ethnic minorities from Asia and Africa and they seem to be stopped on a regular basis even though it is known were they work. Maybe they should start bunging cash to Tony so that they can get to and from work in peace never mind a peerage!

shakermaker 20-01-2007 13:24
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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 371302)
Running away from police in a tube station whilst having dark skin and a rucksack probably wasn't the best thing to do.
The poor bloke probably shat himself at the sight of numerous blokes in uniform with guns running after him. I know I'd leg it in that situation.

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 371302)
he could well have been a terrorist in the circumstances so they had few options..
They had the more sensible option to run after him & bring him in for questioning. Surely the level-headed Met would've chosen this?
It's disgusting what happened on that day. Too quick are we to point the finger ...or gun, as it were.

andrewb 20-01-2007 13:41
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Lets suppose he did have a bomb attached to him, if they arrested him he could have just detonated it. They must have had a strong suspicion to shoot him..

anyway we're thread wandering :)

shakermaker 20-01-2007 13:43
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At least it's a sensible wander....:D

garinda 20-01-2007 15:24
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 371278)
Was he the bloke who did not stop when ordered?
Yes, the one who was feared to be, but it turned out wasn't, a suicide bomber, and who was trailed for two miles before being executed on a busy tube. Not maimed to disarm, shot to be killed.

Neil 20-01-2007 15:27
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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 371314)
I know I'd leg it in that situation.
Then you too might be shot in the head.
You have to be a little stupid if armed Police say stop and you run away.

garinda 20-01-2007 15:28
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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 371302)
Running away from police in a tube station whilst having dark skin and a rucksack probably wasn't the best thing to do. Of course he didn't deserve it and that dosn't justify taking someones life, but he could well have been a terrorist in the circumstances so they had few options..
Dark skinned?

So you're saying an Italian should have stopped in these circumstances you think, but a Swede say, could have carried on running for his tube, after picking up his free copy of the Metro newspaper, which incidentally Jean Charles de Menezes did.

garinda 20-01-2007 15:34
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I was always being accosted by nutters in Stockwell tube.

I ignored them all, and ran for the tube, and got to work on time.

Oh that's right, I was safe to do so because of my caramel locks, and fair skin.:D

andrewb 20-01-2007 15:37
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 371406)
Dark skinned?

So you're saying an Italian should have stopped in these circumstances you think, but a Swede say, could have carried on running for his tube, after picking up his free copy of the Metro newspaper, which incidentally Jean Charles de Menezes did.
Of course not. But im sure theres a link in many peoples minds because most recent terrorism and most high profile, were dark skinned. Of course there are white terrorists (IRa) but recently thats not the case

garinda 20-01-2007 15:49
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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 371419)
Of course not. But im sure theres a link in many peoples minds because most recent terrorism and most high profile, were dark skinned. Of course there are white terrorists (IRa) but recently thats not the case
There are also militant Muslims, who happen to be white, and black, and brown, and a sort of nice yellowy colour in Malaysia.;)

Skin tone is irrelevant.

SPUGGIE J 20-01-2007 16:11
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 371417)
I was always being accosted by nutters in Stockwell tube.

I ignored them all, and ran for the tube, and got to work on time.

Oh that's right, I was safe to do so because of my caramel locks, and fair skin.:D
So the PM sent people after you! :eek: What did you promise to get a peerage?

chav1 20-01-2007 16:20
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the guy who got shot was an idiot , anyone would be scared with guns pointing at them but i know for sure i wouldnt move a damned inch if ordered to stop

they shot to kill because if he had a bomb a shot in teh leg wouldnt stop him pulling the detonator and he had already aroused teh suspicion of guilt by running so shooting him was teh right thing to do infact i woulda pulle dthe trigger as soon as he put one foot forward

if he had have had a bomb everyone would be singing teh cops praises but because he didnt all it has done is give the mamby pamby self rigteous and excuse to open their gobs and complain about somthing and what makes it more juicy is that he wasnt white

sory but most terrorists are not white so the majority of people stopped on suspicion will be non whites , lets not forget people born in england go to fight for the likes of binladen so even british non whites will arouse suspicion when carrying a rucksack on a busy underfround etc

it isnt the polices fault that they have to stop and check people matching the crieria its the bloody terrorists fault

if terrorists had a big sign on their back saying " i am a terrorist " there wouldnt be any problems about stopping people but unfortunatly they dont

anyway this is old news and has been covered before

the guys dead now

the end :D

SPUGGIE J 20-01-2007 16:41
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Good job most mines are closed or they might have been a large amount of deaths amongst these workers.

chav1 20-01-2007 17:36
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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 371499)
Good job most mines are closed or they might have been a large amount of deaths amongst these workers.

err when the IRA was in full force no one was protesting about white people with irish accents getting stopped and searched

i have irish friends with irish passports and they always get pulled over to one side at the airport but they have nothing to hide so its no problem

peopel arnt getting stopped because they are black or brown they are getting stopped because at the moment terrorists happen to be mostly brown skinned and since the london bombers put their bombs in rucksacks when a brown skinned person gets on the tube they are gonna have peopel look at them and that is no ones fault but the terrorists and teh methods they use

garinda 20-01-2007 19:15
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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 371472)
the guy who got shot was an idiot , anyone would be scared with guns pointing at them but i know for sure i wouldnt move a damned inch if ordered to stop

they shot to kill because if he had a bomb a shot in teh leg wouldnt stop him pulling the detonator and he had already aroused teh suspicion of guilt by running so shooting him was teh right thing to do infact i woulda pulle dthe trigger as soon as he put one foot forward

if he had have had a bomb everyone would be singing teh cops praises but because he didnt all it has done is give the mamby pamby self rigteous and excuse to open their gobs and complain about somthing and what makes it more juicy is that he wasnt white

sory but most terrorists are not white so the majority of people stopped on suspicion will be non whites , lets not forget people born in england go to fight for the likes of binladen so even british non whites will arouse suspicion when carrying a rucksack on a busy underfround etc

it isnt the polices fault that they have to stop and check people matching the crieria its the bloody terrorists fault

if terrorists had a big sign on their back saying " i am a terrorist " there wouldnt be any problems about stopping people but unfortunatly they dont

anyway this is old news and has been covered before

the guys dead now

the end :D
Most terrorists aren't white?

Can you not remember every terrorist attack in the UK, carried out in the name of so called freedom, for the past thirty odd years, until fairly recently, was conducted by the IRA.

I presume the familes of the hundreds of the service personel, and civilians who were killed by these terrorists remember.

Although perhaps a bit dark, with the odd bit of ginger thrown in, most of these IRA terrorists happened to be white.

garinda 20-01-2007 19:20
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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 371524)
err when the IRA was in full force no one was protesting about white people with irish accents getting stopped and searched

Er wrong again, yes they were.

There was a huge backlash against innocent Irish people living in the UK in the 70's. Try being Irish in Birmingham after the attacks that happened in that city, the same attacks were people were later found to have been wrongly convicted of that heinous crime. Luckily the powers that be hadn't hung them, or followed a shoot to kill policy at that time, as they could later be relesed, albeit with an appology and compensation.

chav1 20-01-2007 19:46
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err no the irish were complaining , no one else gave a fcuk its only because political correctness has got even worse these days that its now a racist act to stop a black or brown person and teh ira arnt exactly active in teh UK now are they , the current lot of terrorists are of eastern appearance

if your innocent you will have nothing to hide so if the police stop you unless you want shooting i recomend you stay still like anyone with half a brain would

when i got pulled tro one side in spain by the undercover police i was confused and brushed them aside thinking they were pick pockets or beggars but once they flashed tehir badges and showed their guns i satyed still and co-operated

that idiot ran and got shot and i find it totaly disgusting that his family got a payout for his own stupidy

garinda 20-01-2007 22:36
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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 371577)
err no the irish were complaining , no one else gave a fcuk its only because political correctness has got even worse these days that its now a racist act to stop a black or brown person and teh ira arnt exactly active in teh UK now are they , the current lot of terrorists are of eastern appearance

if your innocent you will have nothing to hide so if the police stop you unless you want shooting i recomend you stay still like anyone with half a brain would

when i got pulled tro one side in spain by the undercover police i was confused and brushed them aside thinking they were pick pockets or beggars but once they flashed tehir badges and showed their guns i satyed still and co-operated

that idiot ran and got shot and i find it totaly disgusting that his family got a payout for his own stupidy
Political Corectness wasn't even a term that had been invented, or indeed even crossed the Atlantic yet, when this happened in the first half of the 1970s.

There was fear, and a backlash, including violence, against some innocent people with Irish accents. There was actually also protest, both physical, and in some of the more enlightened press pleas for tolerance, against this fear that everyone with an Irish accent could be a suspect terrorist.

An irrational a fear, as every dark skinned person running for a tube being a suicide bomber.

However, what I found so unsettling in the whole sorry case, was the fact that British intelligence, on matters regarding our national security, were so obviously very wrong. As was shown when this innocent man proved not to be the person they suspected...after they'd shot him.

WillowTheWhisp 20-01-2007 23:11
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If he really had been a terrorist they'd had ample opportunity to shoot him but they didn't, which was a trifle odd. The stroy of him running away was later proved to be inaccurate. However he may have realised they were police and wanted to avoid them if he thought they were wanting him because he was here illegally, his visa having expired. Maybe he feared being sent back to Brazil.

garinda 20-01-2007 23:22
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 371715)
If he really had been a terrorist they'd had ample opportunity to shoot him but they didn't, which was a trifle odd. The stroy of him running away was later proved to be inaccurate. However he may have realised they were police and wanted to avoid them if he thought they were wanting him because he was here illegally, his visa having expired. Maybe he feared being sent back to Brazil.

You're right, they trailed him for two miles, including on a bus, but decided to execute him on a tube train filled with members of the public, just a short while after the terrible attacks that had also happened on the London underground system.

I know the roads that they followed him down very well, and they are wide, and fairly sparsely populated for London, certainly compared with a busy tube station.

I thought at the time the whole thing stank, and still do.

I'm still waiting for evidence that the dead man was actually working here illegally. I've never seen any proof in the press, nor saw it brought up in evidence at the inquest.

shillelagh 20-01-2007 23:44
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I used to get stopped and searched anyway!!!! And you cant say i've got an irish accent - it was the name that did it!!!!

garinda 20-01-2007 23:51
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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 371760)
I used to get stopped and searched anyway!!!! And you cant say i've got an irish accent - it was the name that did it!!!!

Well it may have been that, or the fact you dressed like an extra from Riverdance, and did that funny jig instead of walking everywhere.:D

Ianto.W. 21-01-2007 00:43
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 371715)
If he really had been a terrorist they'd had ample opportunity to shoot him but they didn't, which was a trifle odd. The stroy of him running away was later proved to be inaccurate. However he may have realised they were police and wanted to avoid them if he thought they were wanting him because he was here illegally, his visa having expired. Maybe he feared being sent back to Brazil.
The story put out was that he had been living in a on appartment block being watched by MI5, frequented by illegals who where 'allowed' to come and go in order to maybe lead to bigger fish, as they do with steet drug dealers, his visa as a student had expired, and he was working illegaly as an electricians mate (thus making him a subject for closer watch) as electricians make the best bombers, not like the 'chappatti flour' lot they are trying now. I do not believe he was shot on purpose, as you cannot take chances with potential bombers, the police were acting on MI5 inteligence with a shoot to kill policy, you have no second chance with a bomber, once the bomb is detonated!


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