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***Mr D*** 24-01-2007 15:29

Council's way of Selling Houses
 
I recently saw a property up for sale (terrace house), the advertising board was for HBC.

Wondering what the price of the property was or expecting it would be for aucton I rang the number on the board.

It was explained to me (how I took it) that if you where interested, you put your offer in a envelope, dropped it of at the council offices, they them grouped them all together and on the 23rd Feb 2007 they opened the envelopes and the highest price wins.

I am still awaiting some information they promised to send me, but it seems a funny way of selling a property to me.

garinda 24-01-2007 15:36

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 373862)
I recently saw a property up for sale (terrace house), the advertising board was for HBC.

Wondering what the price of the property was or expecting it would be for aucton I rang the number on the board.

It was explained to me (how I took it) that if you where interested, you put your offer in a envelope, dropped it of at the council offices, they them grouped them all together and on the 23rd Feb 2007 they opened the envelopes and the highest price wins.

I am still awaiting some information they promised to send me, but it seems a funny way of selling a property to me.

99% of all property in Scotland is sold that way, by sealed bids. It's a bit of a con really, because you are expected to have had a survey done on it before the auction, and if you are successful you are legally bound to buy it.

In this case, rather than going to sealed bids, a public auction would have been much fairer, and might actually have raised the council more money.

Good luck, if you decide to go for it.

chav1 24-01-2007 15:37

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very strange and to be honest its quite open to fraud , not that i would ever imagine a councilor would ever do any wrong but having access to envelopes or somone who knows teh highest bid could make a few grand after a quick sale on a ex council house

yes iem a cynical sod but if auctioning it shoudl go through a propper auction

ps:

seen as your a bit flush mr d can u lend us a couple of hundred quid i just got a car repair bill to pay and big holes in the road damaging my car arnt covered by my insurance :rolleyes:

***Mr D*** 24-01-2007 15:39

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 373864)
99% of all property in Scotland is sold that way, by sealed bids. It's a bit of a con really, because you are expected to have had a survey done on it before the auction, and if you are successful you are legally bound to buy it.

In this case, rather than going to sealed bids, a public auction would have been much fairer, and might actually have raised the council more money.

Good luck, if you decide to go for it.

Thats how I took it sounded a bit of a con.

The property would NEED a survey as its a large house thats been empty for some time.

TBH I will probably give it a miss or just put in a low offer and keep my fingers crossed.

Wonder who has acess to the envelopes before the draw.:confused:

***Mr D*** 24-01-2007 15:42

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373865)
very strange and to be honest its quite open to fraud , not that i would ever imagine a councilor would ever do any wrong but having access to envelopes or somone who knows teh highest bid could make a few grand after a quick sale on a ex council house

seen as your a bit flush mr d can u lend us a couple of hundred quid i just got a car repair bill to pay and big holes in the road damaging my car arnt covered by my insurance :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly.

Me flush I wish:( , funny though I also have car damage from big holes in the road, I even once fell down one and badly hurt my ancle.

garinda 24-01-2007 15:56

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 373866)
Thats how I took it sounded a bit of a con.

The property would NEED a survey as its a large house thats been empty for some time.

TBH I will probably give it a miss or just put in a low offer and keep my fingers crossed.

Wonder who has acess to the envelopes before the draw.:confused:

It's like any tender that's submitted to the council, it will all be done legally and above board, and will probably be conducted by an independent soliciter.

Like I said, it's common in Scotland, but it's annoying way to sell a house, especially for the purchaser.

chav1 24-01-2007 16:08

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 373873)
It's like any tender that's submitted to the council, it will all be done legally and above board, and will probably be conducted by an independent soliciter.

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hahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha

hang on heres a more realistic theory

It's like any tender that's submitted to the council, it will all be done with favours or back handers, and will probably be conducted by a solicitor that is a friend of a councilor


they shouldnt be selling council houses anyway , what they get for it will be nothing compared to the rent they willbe paying for a family to live in a privatly rented house that could have lived in it

garinda 24-01-2007 16:20

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373879)
hahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha

hang on heres a more realistic theory

It's like any tender that's submitted to the council, it will all be done with favours or back handers, and will probably be conducted by a solicitor that is a friend of a councilor


they shouldnt be selling council houses anyway , what they get for it will be nothing compared to the rent they willbe paying for a family to live in a privatly rented house that could have lived in it


Ok then, the next time you are telling the leader of HBC that you are psychic, and that you are getting a 'P' through from your spirit guide, in the Rose & Crown, ask him how much it is.:D

harwood red 24-01-2007 16:27

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usually the only reason a council would sell a house is due to the work involved to get it up to standard, it must be bad if it didn't get transferred when they did the rest!!!

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 16:49

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I wouldn't be wanting to put a bid in without a good look round, a valiation by an independant valuer and a survey.

SPUGGIE J 24-01-2007 17:22

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Well throwing another bone in completion time is an average of 6 weeks up here.

garinda 24-01-2007 17:48

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 373906)
Well throwing another bone in completion time is an average of 6 weeks up here.


...and your finances must have been sorted prior to that date.

I don't know about this particular property, but mose auctioned houses are quite hard to secure a mortgage on, especially as Harwood Red says, it might be in a state of disrepair, and hence the sealed bid auction.

SPUGGIE J 24-01-2007 18:00

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 373928)
...and your finances must have been sorted prior to that date.

Which is why some interlopers who venture up here end up on their preverbials.

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 19:56

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How do you get a mortgage on something in advance of knowing if you can buy it or if somebody has outbid you?

entwisi 24-01-2007 20:20

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you get a mortgage guarantee from teh lender

If you win you take it up, if you don't they let it lapse

***Mr D*** 24-01-2007 20:38

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373879)
they shouldnt be selling council houses anyway , what they get for it will be nothing compared to the rent they willbe paying for a family to live in a privatly rented house that could have lived in it

Its not a council house as such ,its a end terrace.

I am not going to bother putting a bid in i recon looking at it again it would require a lot of work.

Probably be snapped up by some southern developer.

Neil 24-01-2007 21:56

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 373865)
i just got a car repair bill to pay and big holes in the road damaging my car arnt covered by my insurance :rolleyes:

You could try claiming for the damage from Lancashire County Council. They are responsible for the roads. Several years ago a friend of mine got them to replace a car wheel after it was damaged hitting a big pot hole.

It's worth a phone call.

WillowTheWhisp 24-01-2007 22:15

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 374070)
you get a mortgage guarantee from teh lender

If you win you take it up, if you don't they let it lapse


But that wouldn't necessarily mean they would lend for a specific property if it doesn't value up to what you committed to pay for it does it? It only relates to your credit worthiness and the amount they will lend against your salary etc.

garinda 24-01-2007 22:25

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 374171)
But that wouldn't necessarily mean they would lend for a specific property if it doesn't value up to what you committed to pay for it does it? It only relates to your credit worthiness and the amount they will lend against your salary etc.


You can raise a mortgage on almost anything, though the lender will only loan you as much as they think it is worth in it's present state, in case it's defaulted on, and they need to get their money back by reselling it.

In this case it would be difficult to raise a mortgage on a property that is in a bad state of disrepair. They would almost certainly demand that a full structural survey is carried out, paid for by the person seeking the loan. Making it an extremely unattractive prospective purchase for most people, other than was said earlier by a property developer, who would probably pay cash, as do most of the buyers of properties at auctions.

It's a risk, but someone could strike lucky by putting in a cheeky bid, you never know.

Ianto.W. 24-01-2007 22:39

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Hyndburn Borough Council can't even work out how to lie straight in bed, why p**s about like this, and as chav 1 rightly says leave themselves open to accusations of corruption, surely the easyest way would have been to shove it on 'Homes Under The Hammer' P.B. mighn't have got his mug on morning television, instead of his own personal news- sheet 'The Thobserver'. (No it's not a spelling mishtake).

garinda 24-01-2007 22:50

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 374207)
Hyndburn Borough Council can't even work out how to lie straight in bed, why p**s about like this, and as chav 1 rightly says leave themselves open to accusations of corruption, surely the easyest way would have been to shove it on 'Homes Under The Hammer' P.B. mighn't have got his mug on morning television, instead of his own personal news- sheet 'The Thobserver'. (No it's not a spelling mishtake).

Without knowing the details of HBC's sale of this house, in Scotland the sealed bids are given on an offers over price.

It would be nice to think the council has had at least a couple of valuations on this property, and that only bids over a certain price are accepted.

Or as I said earlier a cheeky bid of £5.50p might just clinch it.:D

cashman 24-01-2007 22:54

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its a con , somebodys on a nice little earner with this, is my opinion, any councillors dont like it = SUE ME.;)

garinda 24-01-2007 22:57

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 374240)
its a con , somebodys on a nice little earner with this, is my opinion, any councillors dont like it = SUE ME.;)

I disagree. Things like this are now very tightly scrutinised, for obvious reasons.

garinda 24-01-2007 23:01

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...even things like gerrymandering for prospective voters, like Dame Shirley Porter did in Westminster, are nigh on impossible now. There is so much more public accountability now in government than ever before. Besides the opposition would love to uncover a scandal if it did happened.

cashman 24-01-2007 23:01

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 374248)
I disagree. Things like this are now very tightly scrutinised, for obvious reasons.

By Who HBC?:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: so are elections an they have been fiddled.

Ianto.W. 24-01-2007 23:37

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Where there is muck there is brass, where there is brass there is muck, 'cashy' bob on as usual, garinda stop being so mischievous, you are certainly not naive, cynical a little bit, geremandering by gum your begining to sound like Ian Paisley, does thet mean messing about with borders to try to grab 'your sort' of voters. Tell you what garinda that avitar has style, is your mugshot from Styal.:D £5.50 Tha can have mine for that.:D

chav1 25-01-2007 01:13

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jsut to be clear i am not saying a councilor would buy this property and make a proffit

that would be to obviuos

probably make sure a friend got it and split the proffits ;)

unless HBC have a councilor called A.Councilor i shoud be safe from being sued :Banane45:

WillowTheWhisp 25-01-2007 07:42

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Do we know where this particu;ar property is?

There's an eyesore at the bottom of our row that could do with going on 'Homes Under The Hammer'.
:rolleyes:

Neil 25-01-2007 08:49

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Someone said to me the other day that they should start bull dozing at the bottom of Willows lane and not stop until they reach Green Haworth golf course. I thought that was a bit extreme personally.

SPUGGIE J 25-01-2007 09:19

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They demolish/sell the old solid if somewhat "broken" houses and then throw up lightwieght plasterboard palaces that cost a little to build and a lot to sell.

***Mr D*** 25-01-2007 11:06

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 374425)
Do we know where this particu;ar property is?

There's an eyesore at the bottom of our row that could do with going on 'Homes Under The Hammer'. :rolleyes:

Its near Plantation Street.

WillowTheWhisp 25-01-2007 11:11

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 374448)
Someone said to me the other day that they should start bull dozing at the bottom of Willows lane and not stop until they reach Green Haworth golf course. I thought that was a bit extreme personally.

If they're thinking of bulldozing me I shall be demanding considerable compensation. :mad: There are a few that are grim down below but not all of us are demolishworthy.

Ianto.W. 25-01-2007 11:20

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 374465)
They demolish/sell the old solid if somewhat "broken" houses and then throw up lightwieght plasterboard palaces that cost a little to build and a lot to sell.

You'r right there spuggie, single crap brick 2"x2" wood frames with the cavity filled with expanded poystyrene dust, they built some on the side of the Coppice out of concrete brick, and are forever having to replace frost damaged bricks. It is nearly impossible to fit showers etc to the inside walls, as they will not take the weight. Why they don't do like all the other towns, and renovate the substantial shells of the terraced houses is beyond belief.


WillowTheWhisp 25-01-2007 11:36

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Totally agree with you both there. These houses have been standing over 100 years - I doubt the little cardboard boxes being built today will last that long.

Kitkat 25-01-2007 14:33

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Be careful you could end up spending money on surveys for nothing, large houses can just eat up money, but on the up side once its yours you can do the work as you can afford it


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