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A few days after it's posted on here that we are possibly losing a major after school facility we get some up his own arse politician ( probably one who hasn't even changed a nappy ) telling us that childcare facilites in this country are great. Will one of you wannabee politicians on here please let me know if all politicians are born without a brain cell or you just lose the one you have when you get elected to parliament ?


Lone parent benefits 'may change'



The rules on lone parents' benefits may be changed in a government attempt to get more back into work earlier.
Single parents can currently receive Income Support without having to seek work until their youngest child is 16.
But Work Secretary John Hutton told BBC Radio 4 he thought it not "unreasonable" to cut that age to 12.
The Tories said Labour had failed over 10 years to reform welfare. The Lib Dems welcomed the move if the savings were invested in providing childcare.
Charity One Parent Families said it could affect many parents caring for disabled children.
The Office for National Statistics estimates there are 1.69m lone parents with dependent children in the UK.
Low employment
In a speech, Mr Hutton said Britain has one of the lowest levels of lone parent employment in Europe, with almost half on benefits.
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He said up to a third of lone parents move on to incapacity benefit once their child benefit ends as their youngest reaches 16.
Mr Hutton has already unveiled plans to get one million incapacity benefit claimants back into work over the next 10 years, saving £7bn a year.
"If we are to eradicate child poverty, then I believe we will also need to go further in challenging existing assumptions about who - and at what point - someone should be in work," he said.
Plans welcomed
"We also know the difference that helping lone parents into work can make. A significant proportion of our progress so far in tackling child poverty is due to helping lone parents move into work."
In countries with highly regarded welfare systems such as Sweden and Denmark, up to 80% of lone parents are in work, he said. In Britain, just 56.5% of lone parents are in work.
For the Conservatives, shadow work and pensions secretary, Philip Hammond, said: ¿Work for parents, both couples and lone parents, must be the key weapon against child poverty.
"Labour have had 10 years to sort out the welfare system and have failed. A last minute rush at the end of Tony Blair's reign is not going to solve the deep problems plaguing the welfare system in this country."
Liberal Democrat work and pensions spokesman David Laws welcomed the plans, but said any money saved must be used to improve childcare.
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"It is essential that single parents are supported to stay at home with young children.
"But the fact that British single parents can receive Income Support without any requirement to look for work until their youngest child is 16, is out of line with the rest of Europe."
Labour MP Lynne Jones, who played a prominent role in the backbench rebellion when 47 MPs voted against cuts in lone parent benefits in the late 1990s, warned the plans would "cause conflict" within the Labour party.
She told BBC Radio 4's World at One programme: "It does dismay me that we are still pandering to this stereotype of the lazy, work-shy, lone parent who doesn't do a very good job of bringing up her children anyway."
Parents struggle
Clare Tickell, of children's charity NCH, said many parents wanted to work but struggled because of a lack of support.
"Encouraging lone parents to work is a step towards tackling child poverty but they need a package of flexible support to help them juggle the demands of family life and employment," she said.
Chris Pond, chief executive of the charity One Parent Families, said 66% of lone parents with a youngest child aged between 11 and 16 were already in work. As the government's target was 70%, he said, "this isn't going to take you very far". A quarter of the parents that would be affected were caring for a disabled child, Mr Pond added.

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Anyone got Mr Huttons address???

If the karma war on AW is bad thats sod all in comparrision this guys ears are going to get!!! MMM i'll donate my circumstances to trial that out for him:angry:

The so called improved childcare that was promised passed me by completely im still trapped as i was 8 years ago & to no improvement, some of us actually have no choice & i'll show the barsteward what a lazy backside is & i put a grand on it - that its his that wins it!!!:angry:

For those of you unware of a lone parent life & has only the stereotypes to imagine that on then get this..... "how come this country kicks the people that stand up to their responsibilities ?????" Tell me Mr barsteward Hutton, why some many absent parents are free from their part of responsiblity ?? Many absent parents dont adhere to contact, pay maintenance/child support or give a chuffing stuff but are allowed to carry on breeding scotfree?!?! - they are ones costing this country & abusing those that do contribute as much as possible to their offspring, also many attitudes with the youth on pro-creation & responsibility that lacks so much in lessons at school!! Tell me another Mr barsteward Hutton, if this policy is going to go thro then the impact on society will be horrendous especially in disadvantaged areas or with poor childcare facilities, where someone here pointed out that youths will be on the street getting upto alsorts of anti-social behaviour!! MMm strange how society is quick to jump to its the parents fault, even worse for lone parents cos theres only one of us in the family doing mum & dad at the same time & juggling family i kid u not its not easy at all!!

So as i myself said to the jobcentre last year when this very suggestion that my 2 soon to be teenagers under the age of 16 have to be "latch door Kids", pity a lot of judgemental neighbours with next doors teens running the house amuck - even the sensible ones, i kid u not [i myself lived near a LP family who had to do just that, the trouble is to do both go to work & watch kids at home is impossible, i saw her really struggle plus the hassle she got for it]. Lots want to work but without affordable & localised childcare catering for schools especially in the area then this stupid idea wont work & wont save the country owt either!! What about those with disabled/medically in assistance children??

I put that point to you & directly to Mr Hutton himself & see what answers he has for that!!! Plans in theory rarely come out without a clear back fire as this has!!:angry:

Now wheres Jeremy Kyle??

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Can imagine this senario......being constantly phoned up with complaints at work & "oh im sorry boss i've got to go home early because my kids are causing nuisance cos they cant be supervised properly as im here at work yet again" mmmm do u think i'd last long!!

Grrrrrrrrr this subject grrrr!!! I know 2 parent families struggle with working around the kids but its so much harder in fact impossible cos i've tried & still hope there is a job where i can work while they are at school & home when they come home, before the suggestions of school dinner job come in - i did that & worn tshirt still it didnt get me of IS!!! Teaching/asisistant/school office hours are still not much help unless u are lucky to get job at yr kids school, my kids school has fiercely turned me down & wouldnt even hire me for free for my TA course!! I dont drive so would have to be local - plus the fight for jobs as so many have same idea!! especially as it was promoted 2 years ago for a career scheme for lone parents new deal.

I think thats it as in employment that revolves round school times??:rolleyes: unless they invent a cloning device so i could do 2 seperate things at the same time!

Even the local Lone parent group in Hyndburn i chaired for a year closed down just before christmas due to lack of support & lack of memberships.

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The most annoying thing is the double standard within the world of politics, that parents should look after their kids is all sence of the word but single parents oh well it dont count for u cos u working is more important:rolleyes:

We cant win either way, it should be a balance that unfortunately with the diversity of single parent issues will always be hard to do. One thing i have discovered this past year how much single parents are isolated by their status - some refusing to or feel ashamed to admit, which is one problem our group found hard to establish the confidence & promotion for this issue locally despite us being the only group to recognise single parents in community, due to stigma & vunerability issues being the hardest to break unfortunately thus hiding in the woodwork, of all minority groups locally the single parent one is much not catered for nor really recognised as such as u can tell with the MP's attitude & no wonder!!

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It's a hard one.

My Mum was brought up by my Grandmother, a single Mum, on a then pittance of a War Widow's pension. She worked in the mill, and my Mum and her sister were farmed out to relatives. They had no choice but to be latch key kids, as a lot of children today, with two parents at home, are as well.

I didn't know until I read this that Income Support could be claimed by a single parent until that child is sixteen. That could, though I'm not saying it is, be open to abuse, by young parents who have made a career choice to live off the State, albeit not a very well paid career.

I certainly sympathise, as I can have no real understanding of the problems that lone parents, especially with absentee partners, face.

With about a fifth of the school year being holidays, I can totally see the need for safe, secure, and affordable places where children can go in the school holidays.

Like I said, all the problems I can't fully understand, and if reforms mean more hardship for people trying to bring up their families you'd have my support.

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I dont have kids but i have looked after one of my nieces and my 2 nephews often enough during the school holidays and after school when my sister or bro's were working.

I know from working at a sports centre we do run courses for kids during the holidays - but they are expensive.

How are parents going to be able to pay for them when normally during school hours they dont pay for the care as they are at school and its bad enough for some parents to pay for care after school. I know some people who are in full time work that the wife's pay goes directly to pay for looking after the kids while she goes to work. They have about £15 left over from paying for looking after the kids out of her wage. Thats not a lot. But the problem is finding the nurseries or childminders to look after the kids. Especially after they hit school age and become teenagers - name a teenager who wants to go to a childminder at the age of 14 - they want a key to the front door.

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True point Rindy yes 2 parent families have lach key kiddies too but least to some degree between the 2 something can be worked out, especially as most families may need to rely on a 2 wage - harder still doing it all alone on 1 wage. The other main point is the school holidays & regular erregularity of them incl inset days, which is so hard work to fit around a 9-5 hrs+ per day shift. Childminder flaws, ie during holiday time & if u should not need a week for a minder that u still have to pay regardless of whether that child is there or not to secure the placement when back at work. Another flaw is when child is off school/nursery sick so u have to take time off & lose wages, & needing a child flexible boss that is understanding of that. These are considerations for 2 parent families but least can support each other, as a lone parent hasnt got that.

Biggest great debate point is the 'career choice' within the young some not all mind u as u watch Jezza as much as me u will know that severe lack of responsiblity plays a part, 2nd to that my bugbear of select people claming the so called lone parentage but really arn't to abuse the state - that pees me off more than owt, as i found out with one course at least a third weren't technically in the lone parent bracket or did a short term to get on the new deal advantage. Unfortunately as with anything within the state system of benefits those that abuse it tars those that dont!!

Seems like that it hasn't gone a huge long way of acceptance, yes siblings were shared among the family [another thing thats changed is external family support & help which most dont have now], my grandfather was a lone parent of 8 that some had to go to a relation, but he worked, i come from good stock & respect him for that, seems with the lack of respect & with kids these days, parents are put into impossible positions.

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childminder mind kids upto 11 at most - they dont take on high school kids which becomes a problem.

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It's a different problem, but similar in a way, in regard to childcare.

Both my brother and his wife work full-time, and both kids are in different private schools, which have longer holidays than any state schools. They are in the fortunate position to make that choice, and that is their decision, and they cut back on other things.

However they too struggle when it comes to holidays. The holiday club they attend in Spring Hill only takes children up to eleven, so for one of them this is the last time they will be going. Again all available family sitters work, except me. I help out when I can, but because of health reasons, I'm sometimes not fit too look after them, when they are dropped off at seven o'clock. It's difficult.

I know how hard it can be for two parents, and like I said can't even begin to understand how single parents manage, epecially ones who receive no help at all from absent partners.

Mel, I've been lucky enough to meet your children, and no matter how hard a struggle it is for you, take pride in the fact you have great children, and that they are a credit to you, and I wish there was someone willing to give you the help and support you deserve.

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Awwww rindy dont make me well up [sniffle sniffle], i do my best like any other loving parent, hey i aint telling kiddies that they might start slacking, tho u gained some little friends too heheheheheehe - i do best i can for the loves of my life:D

I dont bother about it as such, being one parent is the only thing i really know been one for a long time - most of my kiddies lives & beyond - its now 2nd nature to me i get by:D

Just stoopid meddling Ministers that get my goat as what the thread topic did, as many people here have said that the childcare issue seriously needs to be looked at & improved for all parents not just lone ones, giving opportunity for those to work with some dignity & to earn money to live!! & that has failed for a lot of parents never mind failing those that need it!!

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like rindy i have no understanding of the problems, but agree wholeheartedly with mels post about Hutton. i was brought up with me grandma so i suppose i was a latchkey kid.i know theres people who screw the system. but decent parents are SCREWED more.

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Like i said - i looked after my nephews when they were kids and one of my nieces. Id go and pick my nephews up from school (this was when i was driving) on Broadway at 3pm well by the time they got to the car it was normally 3.15 and be back and pick my niece up at Rising Bridge at 3.20.

Then i'd look after them until their parents came to pick them up. Sometimes my niece would go home about 3.45 sometimes 5pm my nephews would stay till normally 6pm - id either poison them with my cooking or take em to Maccydees - the kids could never make their minds up either.

The thing is they are family. A lot of people dont have that now. They move all over the country or even if they are still in the same town - their parents might still be working or away for the winter or on holiday etc. It's different from even when i was a kid - my mum was a stay at home, but my mates mum worked but she was a home help and only worked till 3pm so she was home when we all arrived home from school.

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it was announced today that childcare prices are rising out of control on the news

the government will end up paying more in miders etc than just paying peopel to stay at home


i do agree that the age needs lowering and parents shoudl be made to look for work earlier than when their kids reach 16

if a 14 year old child can babysit then it can sure as hell look after its self so parents can go to work and if a parent suddenly goes on incapacity benefit when their kids reach 16 then that claim should be thouroughly investigated

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mmmmpppphhhh never any gender police around when you want them :D

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That only works if the childcare is available to pay for. It's also more likely that if the Dad is in a 'better' job it also involved longer hours and more responsibility. With that sort of job you would be amazed how many women get away with having time off to look after sick children but as soon as a man has to do it the emplyers attitude is totally different. I know from experience. I work in IT but my job opportunities have diminished considerably because I can only work the hours my childminder works. And of course I can't take a job where it may involve overnight stays. Very frustrating.

Of course there isn't a one solution fits all but the childcare facilites for school age children are still appalling despite the MP's claims. I think it's a case of I'm alright Jack with them because they can afford to pay top whack and of course there is no shortage of childminders who will do the job for that amount of money.

Despite all that I've been lucky to find a job and a childminder that fits what I need for the past few years, it's not made me rich but has kept us going. If only the facilites were available for lots more single parents to do that, it would sort the genuine ones out from the stereotyped ones.

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Gee i cant even do my weekly shopping atm, got one poorly child full of this bug going round & hasnt improved so shopping goes bye byes cos the difficulty of being in 2 places at once means that i either drag a sick child around or stop in & hope for the best not an ideal decision either way is it, i cant leave a 9year old alone unsupervised - darn curse of the lone parent!! :(

Least in a partnership one could do one while other nurses the ill child!

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I've often thought of getting an au-pair :D

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I know how he feels, had to drag myself to work in my death bed this morning. :( Still at least he has a nurse lol.

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I couldnt take a job this year even if i was offered the perfect one as my youngest has to have an operation which has min of 9-10 weeks of recovery & will be struggling to walk certainly during that time, i doubt any employer would let me have that amount of time off - plus weekly hospital visits & copious appointments to attend this year because of it.

Jobcentre said to me last year, that when my youngest is 11 then im actually encouraged to actively seek work more so than before & that a 14year old looking after sibling a bit younger would be a possibility for me to work, mm as u point out willow thats exactly what i said to them! Also the judgements i'd receive that if my kids were mucking about while i was at work, like my friend suffered alsorts of gossip & complaints because 'they' thought she put job before looking after her kids & that she should have someone looking after them, she had to work but she had no other means of chilcare but her eldest @ 14yrs old whom by no means totally responsible at all, my mate went tho hell even thrat of prision & hefty fine because her troublesome teens were bunking off school knowing full well they could come home & have key as mum was at work!! Wtf was she to do?? This gov makes parents accountable for their kiddies behaviour but how can they when they cant be there to supevise as at work ?!?

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With not much gas & loose change cos i havent been to the bank, to make things better i may not be able to tommorow i've got inspector from HH to inspect my heating again:(

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heres where i become unpopular again :rolleyes:

perhaps before actualy having children people should make sure they can afford to have them instead of relying on teh benifit system to support them and their children

yes not all parents can help been single parents ,i certaily wasnt planning on not seeing my son grow up when me and my ex partner decided to keep our child but the amount of single mothers would be greatly reduced if it wasnt so easy to get hand outs from the benefits system

say what you like and defend your corner , i have no doubt that there are valid reasons for single parents which get rammed down my throat every time i post on these subjects but like i have said many times before there are plenty of women out there especialy in teh teenage category that see having a baby as a cash provider , i would dread to think how much tax payers money that is supposed to be for the child actualy ends up in teh pub or off licence

if i had custordy of my child i could work part time and get my wage topped up to more than what it was when i was in full time employment plus the extras like free dental , prescriptions and help with teh rent and child benefit on top of all that

to me it seems very wrong that peopel have to work full time and pay lots of tax just to support other peoples kids

we shoudl adopt chinas rule that your first child you can get help from teh state with but any after that you have to pay for yourself


i dont know about anyone else but in teh summer it realy brassed me off when i was working shifts and seeing people with prams sat out in the sun outside the pub as i headed off to work :mad:

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You reckon ?? :rolleyes: Easy life isn't it !!

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Chav u know my response to that many of us didnt choose our situation & yes i do agree with u with some points certainly attitudes of the young, something i virrantly discuss with my children about, gee i would love to work & have chance of earning a fair amount of money, instead im tied to the state & i HATE it!

My children come 1st & foremost above anything else despite not liking the exsistance i have but thats secondary to my kids wellbeing! The only time that claiming benefits is advantagous is only to those that defraud the system otherwise is a blumming struggle & without the uniform grant [only for 1st yr of starting high school only] now scrapped im gonna have to struggle again!!

Btw ask me any fact with regard to single parenting im now an offficially qualified in maintenance, support & setup of a voluntary single parent self help support community group gained full marks in level 2 in NOCN qualification with 36/36 units accredited heheheheehe:D:D:D:D i just got my certificate as we speak whoohoo!!!! [sorry im proud of myself lol]

To that MP - im a lazy bum am i??? I haven't spent my time as a LP doing nothing, my certificate folder is bursting at the seams with courses i've undertaken & acheived, so that it improves my chances when i can get a job eh?

I pat myself on the back - well done me - yay!!! :D:D:D:D:D

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Well done on the certificate but should you really be doing all that when the pubs are open to spend your benefits in. Don't want to spoil Chav's steroetyping views now do we :D

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accymel i did say plenty of people had valid reasons , i know a little of your situation from previous discusions but its not for me to bring them up especialy on a public forum , people die leaving one parent behind and some mothers have to leave abusive relationships like one of my ex's had to and probbaly more valid reasons but like i said there are peopel out there milking teh system and its not a small number especialy when you see some people having a child every 5 years or less just to avoid been made to get a job

i am mainly refering to the type who leave school , get pregnant by anyone then spend teh rest of tehir lives chuning out babys and die without ever doing a days work

as for you dave

you may find it hard coping but believe me i would kill to be in the position you are in right now as i would wnat nothing more than have to wory about where i was going to send my son after school instead of only seeing him a few hours each week

swings and roundabouts mate :)

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On one of my units Aced

*making your community aware of lone parent family issues*

I do all the time where needed ie this thread i cant help myself hehehehe:D

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people seem to be skipping this part of my post so i will highlight it a bit -

here goes folks

here it comes

get your reading glasses if you need them


i did say plenty of people had valid reasons

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Of course it's swings and roundabouts but although I don't have any facts and figures to prove it I think you will find the steroetyping you do of single parents ( ie teenage mothers) represents a very tiny minority. You never ever see a teenage fatherless male scrounging off the state do you :)

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Ah yes Chav - you said that but the point is how does the government view it?

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eh ??

i was a teenage fatherless male and had a job , do i fit that criteia ?


bit hard to understand what you mean here !

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dave could we have that last bit in english please

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i was a teenage motherless female and i had a job

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U need to go round to rindy's to watch Jezza mate, his main bugbear is the fact that many young adults - quite capable to work but would rather excuse themselves on drinking, drugs, gambling, playing ps games all day long & have sex without a condom with little disregard for the consequences - but thats a different thread Chav!!

If anyone really wants to make a career choice of being a lone parent its not as easy as it looks!!

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Read my post above it explains what he was getting at i think well as i interpretted it so expanded:)

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I think he meant teenage lone parent fathers. ;)

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I was being sarcastic and referring to the fact there are probably more teenage fatherless males out there who can't be arsed working and live off benefits than there are teenage girls who delibarately get themselves pregnant to avoid work and live off the state.

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Well spotted :D

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eh??????????? dave are you tired today?

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:o Looks like I was wrong. Now I'm confused and will have to read the explanation again.

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and this in some cases dosnt get realised until after the baby is born and then its too late :)

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Read post 40 that explains it lol now its confirmed on right track lol:D

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Would it read better if I just put teenage males rather than teenage fatherless males.

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yes dave, i'm glad you've realised your mistake

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True but that still isnt a direct choice just a lost hope one, when u do ever hear someone say [other than one or two high flying working woman maybe] say i want to be a single parent:rolleyes:

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Think he meant young male adults that hasn't bred yet still find ways of avoiding work living on the state, as i expanded before:D

But to avoid the gender police even young females can follow same suit i'suppose

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the very show you watch jeremy kyle has young women on who say they want a baby and arnt bothered about a dad been around :confused: , also trisha and the likes etc

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lol it took me some time to work that one out too

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U dont watch Jezza do u? he aint soft on that approach either:D & yes does pee off those of us that haven't made that choice & have been lumbered with sole responsibilty, because as u have proven that tarred stereotype get pushed on us all!!

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By the time I get round to replying you keep telling them the answer :D

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I was wondering where you get all the facts from. Are they backed up by the Sun and News Of The World too :D

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:rofl38: sorry hehehehe ah well im doing good at translation to accy speak:D

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My very first post on here asked for a translation book to help me integrate in to Accy life.

I never did find one :o

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its the same language as burnley but without the bollox ;)

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most girls dont delibarately get pregnant to live of the state, they are one parent because the fathers dont want to know!! why do the girls always get the blame in this?
I agree that some of the girls probably do it but not most!

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Same as its always the girls responsiblity of taking precautions & if it fails they get saddled, same as those blokes that claim trapment as reason to avoid responsiblity errrrr no excuse u dont want kids then make sure your covered on both parts [excuse the pun hehehe] :D

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Wasn't my idea to blame them :D

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thats irrelivant to what i am saying though

i am saying there are plenty of young women out there who deliberatly get pregnant because the benefits of having a child out weigh those of not having a child if you want to stay unemployed for instance , well thats how they see it until it dawns on them that children cost money but by then they are stuck with a baby that is been paid for by everyone else


ime not gettng dragged into who resposibility is it to take contraception thats isnt what this is about :)


any father that dosnt have anything to do with their kids is a down and out right looser in my book , i have 2 boys and i help out when and where i can and fought tooth and nail in teh courts for both of them just like any decent bloke would

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Thank you for justifying my move here. I feel like a pioneer knowing I have brought that little bit of extra that the town of Accrington lacks :D :Banane08:

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keep your bollox to your self mate

well showem mel if you liek but the rest of us aint interested ;)

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I understand what you mean!:D
how some girls can get pregnant deliberatly, just for money and a house is beyond me!
but there are some girls who get pregnant accidently, like for instance, the pill dont work or the condom breaks, but now in this day and age, you can get the morning after pill, but if you are on the contraceptive pill you dont know if it hasnt worked untill its too late.


but i do understand what you all mean :D

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Things are always cheaper when you get them in bulk :)