Racial tension or just kids?
 

Over the last few days,I have been hearing tales of gangs of Asian and white youths fighting in Accrington,most of the trouble seems to be centred round the 'Amusement Arcade 'on Blackburn Road.
Is this kids just being kids or something more serious?

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i reckon its just the begining its happening all over but time will tell i suppose

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well at least its not moorhead this time lol

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Apparently Chav,some are from Moorhead;but more concerning is that older relatives (mid twenties )are now involved.

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could perhaps be a Mods n Rockers type thing,somehow i doubt it.

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it dont worry me willow,i take the view that while they are knocking lumps out of each other,they are leaving the pensioners/general public alone.

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Chinese Wispers springs to mind.

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I see your point but kids knocking lumps out of each other with older relatives joining in worries me about how much it's going to spread.

I've seen adults fall out and come to blows over kids arguments. :(

We had a gang style fight going on in the road at the roundabout here a while back with knives and oodles of police. I found that very scary.

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Like you say Cashman could be just two sets of kids with obvious differences... but race is probably a factor and when that is involed things can get very nasty indeed.

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One crowd of youngsters gather accross trom the Yorkshire bank, and the other crowd on the Town hall side around 6.30/7.00 every evening during the week. Quite a large number of them to, they all look about 13 to15 years of age although there are some younger ones, I haven't seen any violence yet just name calling and 'sabre' rattling, I wouldn't like to say whether it's racial as they are quite even in numbers as yet.

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Yeah I was sat in the Calder on Monday evening!! and noticed a large gang of youth's congregating on the corner. I didn't see them cause any bother though.

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fact is they are not supposed to be there period so why arnt the ploice shifting them :rolleyes:

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That would mean the police would have to work... we can't have that can we: tut tut:( they have the cams there dont they)

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supposedly govenment passed laws about gangs hanging around but also teh fact that there is a crowd loitering is good enough reason to shift them on

mind you i would rather them be hanging around town on cctv than outside my house

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is one side called the jets and the other sharks?

nah i think its just kids being kids - dont think there's much to the racism

i think what happens is that something occurs and then the racism pops up in anger

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I grew up in straight up white suburbia. I remember when my big brother was ~16 (~1969) he used the "N" word (regarding negros of african descent:p )! After he was punished, he was asked why he would have anything against Blacks. Racism had certainly not be taught at home (except against the "bloody Irish" and "those Catholics":o) It seems even in our town kids were trying to imitate what was going on in the country at the time.

In Providence and especially in Boston racial tensions were very high. The forced bussing issue and race riots had clearly influence my brother and his friends to come to a predetermined position in the matter I guess. Do you think these same type of things may be having the same effect with these groups of kids?

Brian

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my sentiments exactly, to me its all about kids establishing an identity, as most of us probably did early teens. i certainly hope so.

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Saw it myself the other day;we were in the Calder having some lunch and there 2 definite gangs of kids (chavs or urban ninjas as I call 'em) hanging around outside the place and they followed some Asian lads when they left the arcade. The place had a guard on the door but worryingly I saw no Police presence round there all time we were in. Plenty of traffic wardens though!
It's asking for trouble letting them congregate like that. (not the traffic wardens :rolleyes: )

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we used to worry when there was a police presense.:D

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I think you're probably right, similar to when people resort to things like "speccy four eyes" to someone who wears glasses, or Jade and her 'Poppadom'. It's only seen as a potentially worrying racist problem when it's one gang of white youths and one gang Asian.


Are we allowed to say that these days? I can't keep track of what is and isn't PC any more.

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No, and it's been deemed offensive for decades. Unless of course you are in fact a black rapper, then it's perfectly acceptable to call yourself, and your friends it.:D

On the evidence given here, it just seems like gangs of kids, nothing new there.

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Am confused now, lol.

I'm talking about the word that sounds like digger, which is now used by young black men, about themselves and their homies.

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Piggy Bank Arcade?
Heard alot of talk about this.

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Nah, Willow, you're not really supposed to say that from either a politically correct or general social respect. I sometimes go to a Black church around the corner and play on their softball team. That's the sort of stuff we'll say around each other. However, it's not something I'd head up to Washington, D.C. and say on the streets!

I guess I should have refrained as it could of been a bit offensive if not understood. Most Black folk that I know, especially the older generation, really hate to be referred to as African-Americans. Heck, they're more American then I am.

Brian

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its a fine line , Barrack Obama is a "clean" one , Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not ........sorry folks , its American politics .....we have three prominant black Americans involved in politics,(two worthy of Presidential consideration) two of whom have at least one parent born outside the US and they are able to "cross over" and get respect without playing the race card, they are respected for what they are ... Americans , not African-Americans or Black-Americans. Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Barrack Obama , wether you agree or disagree with their politics is beside the point none so far has ever played the race card , unlike Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and thus gets them the sobriquet of the N word

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:D No, I didn't mean that one. I know the only people allowed to say that are black rappers.

The one I meant was the one which rhymes with "we grow" and I believe is the Spanish word for black. Which kinda puts Spaniards in an awkward position if trying to be politically correct in a bilingual sense.

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We can go on and on about being PC,the term Asian is used to describe many different nationalities.Some of whom do not like being lumped together under one generic phrase,others don't mind at all.
People differ in their opinions whatever their ethnic background.I don't care to be solely classed as a European,British will do with English a preference.:D
As for Mr.D's 'Chinese Whispers',here's some more.There could be trouble in town on Saturday........Yes it's the word on the street.

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I know it's a bit off thread but that's an excellent post Steeljack!

Willow, if you ask most Americans "what they are" we usually say English, German, Scottish, Swedish, Italian, etc., I think that's what makes us so unique but all the different backrounds can sure cause some problems.

I guess the first time I ever refered to myself as an Americanwas during our trip over there. Now I know that my German Nana would proudly tell folks that she was an American first and foremost.

That also may be the difference with recent immigrants. My grandparents generation came over and relished becoming Americans.

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That's very true Willow. It took me a while to figure out that when Accywebbers were taliking about Asians, it was mostly about Indians. Asians to us usually is strictly related to folk from the Orient.

Brian

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Nothing new there then.:D

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walking down owd bobs tonight with oscar, was surprised to see approx 40/50 asian teenagers coming up,thought it was from a function of some sort,was glad i had reached the wider bit near the bottom,cos you never know.

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I wonder where they were going hardly their 'neck of the woods', what time was it?

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about 7-15 iantow, they were all lads as well, asked an asian friend on park rd if he knew what was goin down, he hadn,t seen them,but suspected the worst.

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As I posted earlier,older relatives/friends have got involved in a tit for tat violence culture.At the moment it is mostly handbags at ninety paces,but sooner or later they will clash,unless older wiser heads prevail.
It is all made worse by the use of mobile phones to contact the cavalry whenever trouble looms.
We shall hope for the best.

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As a final update my spies tell me that there has been
a fracas behind Asda last night,no reports as to how serious it all was.

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It's the perception we now have of young people,much of this comes from the media,but alas some areas of Hyndburn are classed as deprived.This is reflected by the behaviour of some of the people who live there.