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i couldnt believe my eyes when i red yesterays observer which printed a small item 'food for thought' about 129grand being spent in the name of learning about differenr food cultures. this money is going to scaitcliffe community cenetr and in my opinion is shocking and silly. we ar a poor town and need more useful ways of spending money and as it is lottery money perhaps it should have been awarded to the olympics. also the aim of this new project is' to celebrate the diversity of food cultures in different ethnic groups and bring people togeather to learn about others dietry habits and traditional dishes'. forgive me but havent we all seen cooking programmes and so on. also it is not enviromentally friendly to promote the use of exotic fruit and veg. although i dont use this forum so much now i am maddened by the ridiculouse use of monies
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All they have to do is check back on the council applications for change of use from shop/house to take away establishment and the diversity of different foods in Accrington should smack them in the face.
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I have a feeling that the answer to this one is that the money is earmarked for one purpose only and that if we don't use it for that we don't get it for anything else. You say we are a poor town. Perhaps then it's good that we receive a lottery grant to use in this way.
Positive tends to spiral upwards and negative tends to spiral downwards. We have plenty of charity shops and pounds shops and cheapo shops which attract poorer people. Perhaps with more frivolous (as you see it) ventures and more fun things we can attract different people. which would ultimately attract different shops which would attract different people so we can aim for an upward trend. |
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"A total of £129k has been handed over to Accrington's Scaitcliffe Community Centre by the Big Lottery Fund. The money will help fund the Step-2 programme which will train and recruit community food workers and instructors to deliver after-school cooking and gardening clubs."
I read it too and thought it sounded a good thing - educates young people, teaching cooking skills, keeps them off the streets, provides care after school - can't quite see the problem. The aim is education - the by product is learning about diversity and food cultures! The Big Lottery is open to all sorts of groups to apply to. If this group have seen a need in the town, filled in the forms correctly and made a good case for their project there is no reason why it shouldn't have been awarded. The lottery people don't think to themselves 'I know what I'll do, I deprive Hyndburn of even more money and give it to the multibillion pounds excess that is the olympics'. |
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[. The money will help fund the Step-2 programme which will train and recruit community food workers and instructors to deliver after-school cooking and gardening clubs."
i wlii believe it when i see it. the usual selection of people will be offered these instructor jobs and i bet there will be no thourough programme to implement these measures. goodness knows how that money will be distributed as when i read the paper scaitcliffe regularly recieves ample moneies for so called refurbishement. how is it that it is still not refurbished. re the olymipics ,money has to be allocated there regardless so instead of wasting it on scaitcliffe why not spend it there . at least the results are going to be spectacular and it will be a chance to showoff the uk to the world. i would prefer this than lining the already rich walls of scaitcliffe. ethnic minorites have had enough of so called community leaders at scaitcliffe apparently representing our lives. |
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Where is the connection betwen this and refurbishment?
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You do know that Scaitcliffe Community Centre is not the same as Scaitcliffe House.
Scaitcliffe House is our council offices, and Scaitcliffe Community Centre is, as it says, a community centre. £129k in the grand scheme of things is peanuts for the olympics and probably wouldn't even buy a few roof tiles. Whereas in a community it can deliver something of real benefit. |
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Presumably the people who have received the money are the people who have applied for it. They must have felt that they would appreciate it and be able to put it to good use. I'm puzzled why you assume that this is "the powers that be" setting themselves up as representative of ethnic communities who don't want them. Where does it say that is the case? |
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Spinner,you don't appear to have much grasp of the way that grants and awards like this work; as Gayle so succinctly puts it in her first post,the party involved must have filled in the forms correctly and proved that this award would be of benefit to the community. The money is given to spend on a specified project;you can't just apply for it and then decide to spend on some unrelated random nonsense.
You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about this for no good reason; jealousy maybe or just misunderstanding? Your community can apply for this kind of thing too;Gayle is a specialist in this area and would be more than willing to help you if you asked her;there are pots of money like this being given out all the time,it's a matter of form filling and proving the projects usefullness to the wider community. |
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;you can't just apply for it and then decide to spend on some unrelated random nonsense.
You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about this for no good reason; jealousy maybe or just misunderstanding? oh yes you can , i have worked within a organisation similar to scaitcliffe and know how the system works. oh and yes i am jelouse for the people of accrington ho would really benefit if the money was used efficiently |
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I have to contradict you there Spinner. Grants are applied for for a specific purpose and granted for that specific purpose. Obtaining a grant under false pretences and using it for some other reason is tantamount to fraud.
In order for Scaitcliffe Community Centre to have obtained this grant Scaitcliffe Community Centre must have applied for it. There is absolutely nothing to stop any other group from putting in their own application if they wish to do so. |
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with all teh piza houses , buger joints and curry houses and not to mention chineese and italian resturants ime pretty sure we are aware of different food cultures
we even used to have a guy who rummaged through bins for scrap food on church street although i think he was pretty much alone in that food culture :D all you need to know about foreign food is that if eating french make sure its not part of a frog , horse or snails and if eating cantoneese make sure it isnt cat or dog :D |
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Oh for goodness sake, What on earth is a "community food worker" when it is at home.
It strikes me that we have been down this road before. I can understand the argument about the money being better off in accrington's pocket than anyone else's and I have to say I broadly agree with that notion. What I do not agree with, and never will, is the ridiculous way that the National Lottery money is frittered away on pointless, spurious, ineffectual and utterly banal make-work schemes. Community food workers! What next Community Burkha Workers, because it is vitally important that we all learn why some sections of our community feel it is right and proper that women should be segregated and treated as little more than brood mares and mere adjuncts to their husbands. Perhaps we should aslo apply for a grant to fund a Community Beard Worker as well, to teach us all why men who shave are always and ineluctably effeminate and for that reason ritually impure and damned before God. Will these Community Food Workers be teaching us about the joys of Eastern European cuisine too, or is their remit limited to foods originating in the Indian sub-continent? |
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I've just read the article and it does not state which food cultures in which different ethnic groups will benefit. For all you know it could be teaching people the joys of deep fried mars bars and haggis or how to cook shrimps on a barbie. You are assuming one thing because the words ethnic groups have been used. |
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Shady.....you'll soon learn that anything that is not reported in the daily mail or the express... then AB is at a loss
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It's the Guardian for me :D
129 Grand? It really isn't a lot of money politically. |
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To be honest 129,000 seems like alot of money to spend on a project to investigate the differing cuisine of a community (in any town in the NW) that already has so many different cuisines availiable ...restuarants/take aways serving food from all corners of the world... if the money is turned into real jobs or more opportunities then great.. but I don't know all the facts
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It's not just investigate the differing cuisines - it's an education programme. You know how they have teachers at catering college who teach younger people how to cook - it's basically that!
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I wonder if they end up with any kind of qualification? It could be useful to any young person hoping for a career in catering.
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It's not just a bit of multicultural cooking, it's a way of training future cooks. |
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lone of the lads I play pool with is doing catering, I'll point hin in its direction
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At first glance, and without knowing all the facts, it seems quite a good idea.
Jamie Oliver said on tv tonight, that as a nation our young people eat more processed food than the their European counterparts put together. If people are also to be taught about gardening, and that food can actually be grown, as well as picked up in boxes in Lidl, well it sounds like a good thing to me. As for the Olympics, what the hell as that got to do with anything? Spinner, you think are MP is rubbish, and you sound as if you don't like living much in our 'poor' town. Why don't you move to London? As we all know the there streets are paved with gold. Well more gold than we'll probably win at the Olympic Games, compared to the spiralling monetary costs to us all. |
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Jamie Oliver is the messiah? its ok for him to say buy the best organic fillet steak @ 16 quid a pound and only buy these ingredients from your local grocer.. very nice if your on £2000 grand a week like he is...I saw some "organic" cod in the market today @20 quid a kilo! what is organic cod? ..cod is not farmed it all comes from the same place
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You wanna get dahn Tootin' market son. You'll find it a lot cheaper there.;) |
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It is a lot cheaper to buy the ingredients for a square meal and make it yourself than it is to buy a processes pre-packed creation which contains goodness knows how many additives.
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So really it's government spin,take money out of the education system, call it a grant and redirect it somewhere else. :D |
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No, absolutely not. It's not a government scheme - it was a community group that saw a gap in the needs of the area and applied for lottery funding.
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Know there have been some balmy hand outs by the Lottery in the past, but I 'quite' trust them really to 'grant' money to decent causes.
Presume that the case put forward on their application was beneficial to the community ... is there any way the public are allowed to view these applications ? Suppose not really as would get lots of objections to many schemes. Do the lottery committe monitor their contribution to check that the money has been used wisely as laid out in the original proposition, and not fraudulently ? |
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From what I understand there are panels who sit to decide which grants get awarded - that's for Lottery Awards For All, up to £10k - I don't know about other pots but I'm sure there is something similar. I don't know how to get on the panels but as the offices are up in Newcastle I suspect that it's possible to get yourself on a panel if you live in the area.
Oh, and if anyone wants to question whether the North East gets more money, they don't because money is divided up regionally. Yes, every penny spent has to be accounted for and a report completed - in the case of a larger grant, it's usually every three or four months, in the case of a smaller grant, it's at the end of the grant period. |
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Daily Mail.....Express???????? I wouldn't be seen dead reading those rags, credit me with some taste and discretion, please.
I apologise to our younger members if my cynicism is at odds with the idealism of youth, but after half a century of observing the doings of those who would have us believe that they know best how to keep the world turning I have learned to try to look behind and through what is said. However, as always, I will be the first to admit that I am wrong should things turn out that way. In the meantime, let us watch the progress of the Community Food Workers together and see what happens. |
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I don't mind spending a few quid on foreign food lessons if they can make them smell a little more pleasant, perish the thought of having to live next door to someone who puts this obnoxious smell out on a daily basis.
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If they have the grant on the condition that they will teach gardening skills then they may find themselves having to pay it back if they don't actually do that. The money isn't just handed out and then forgotten about. If that were the cae then anybody could get away with thousands under false pretences.
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Considerig the amount of complaining the goes on about the lack of after school stuff you'd think this would be met with applause and approval. :rolleyes:
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'The money will help fund the Step-2 programme which will train and recruit community food workers and instructors to deliver after-school cooking and gardening clubs' No commas, so can be confusing..:-) |
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Hey, all those who quoted what's are getting confused too again .. :confused:
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spinner, I don't know what you are doing in order to quote people but somewhere along the way you are deleting some of the characters which results in a very confusing post where there is no distinction between what you are quoting and your reply.
It's quite simple really, all you need do is click on 'quote' in the relevant post which you wish to quote and then leave a bit of a space before you type your response. Make sure you don't delete anything with square brackets and the result will be the quoted text embedded in a separate little box within your post and consequently the whole thing will be much easier to understand. What I do find very difficult to understand however is why you seem to resent so much any money which comes in to benefit the borough, especially as you say we are a poor town. Now I really can't help wondering what the issue was which skippy took to Greg Pope and if it had any connection with lottery grants and funding - in which case it's hardly surprising if he couldn't do anything about it because it's nowt to do with him. |
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Spinner clearly has an axe to grind with the authorities!
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I think it's nice that skippy and spinner live together, and also share a computer. They can moan to each other all day about how life in Accrington is rubbish, and how all the lottery grants goes to people they think unworthy.
Who said care in the community wouldn't work? I also having unsupervised internet access will teach them new skills, and to be more independent. |
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you know full well that im talkin about the so called people who call themselves leaders and quote c cliches so that they can celebrate my culture to obtain grants . they are opportunist and their influence permeates most aspects of authority including the police . ifind this v.dangerous thats why im angry
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Sorry you've lost me. Community groups, like the one who applied for the grant? |
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Strange that you seem to feel you have the right to speak on behalf of all people who share your culture and yet object to anyone who may actually also be of the same ethnic background wanting to share the culture with others and celebrate diversity. Did anyone appoint you as their spokesperson?
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Accrington-based Scaitcliffe Community Centre will be dishing up a programme of community activities with their 'Step-2-It' project, today receiving £129,165. Step-2-It will train and recruit community food workers and exercise instructors to deliver after school cooking and gardening clubs, along with workshops that will cover growing and cooking, healthy lifestyles, and exercise. The project aims to celebrate the diversity of food cultures in different ethnic groups, bringing people together from different backgrounds to learn about each other’s dietary habits and traditional dishes.
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Still can't see what the problem is here. If the community centre had obtained the funds illegally and if you had hard evidence of that then I can understand people's concern. However, this is not the case, the community centre has applied for a funding grant for a project which they feel is worthwhile (as does the Big Lottery it would appear) and they've been granted the funding. That should be 'end of'!
The funding pot that this was obtained from was Reaching Communities - it's main purpose to reach communities that other organisations etc would not be able to. This could be geographical, disadvantaged, disabled, ethnic minorities, etc. To be honest, Scaitcliffe house have done a good job if they've got money out of this pot because justifying the criteria was so tricky that it was hard to apply for. At the end of the day that's £129k more money in Hyndburn's economy which has to be a good thing. No one has given any good reasons for why this should not have been given to this group apart from a few 'possibly slanderous' slurs! |
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There's also an implication that the only people who live in Scaitcliffe are the so-called ethnic minorities (I hate that phrase) - another erroneous statement.
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129 grand, compared with an estimated cost of five billion pounds, will probably just about cover the cost of breakfast cereals for the Nigerian Olympic team.:D
Though I'm still at a loss as to how this grant for a local group has anything to do with London 2012 Olympic games. Totally different things. |
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garinda the olympics was supposed to be funded by the lottery thats the link
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The estimated 5.1 million for London 2012, is being funded by the government, and not the Lottery good causes scheme. That's if they can lay their hands on it, and if it doesn't keep spiralling out of control. http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/pol...cle2237696.ece |
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The Lottery is hoping to raise 750 million towards the 2012 games. A relative small amount of the estimated 5.1 billion cost.
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Looks like Hyndburn has also recently secured nearly half a million pound funding for a domestic violence initiative.
'Hyndburn and Ribble Valley Domestic Violence Forum in Lancashire, will soon be launching a £487,770 outreach project to provide professional and legal support, crisis intervention, and improved physical security for those at risk.' http://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/pr_...regioncode=-uk I'm sure there'll be someone moaning about them getting that. Not me. I chose not to play the Lottery, and as such wish everyone who secures funding from it, the best of luck.:) |
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Also is the climate in Accrington suitable to the growing of crops required for this multi national cusine ? :confused: :confused: :confused: |
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I have no idea how this particular scheme is going to run Steeljack but as Ianto said in the previous post there are some converted allotments which have been divided into small plots within the allotment, used by the Healthy Heart Team and the plots are more than adequate for growing veg. They may have something like that. Or they may teach container gardening. You don't necessarily have to have your own hen pen to grow a bit of summat.
We may not be able to grow all the ingredients for the English cuisine let alone multi national but we can grow a lot of the basic stuff such as spuds, carrots, onions, peas, beans - which are useful in many meals. The other ingredients, seasonsing, meat or any exotic fruits (bananas?) can be bought locally. |
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Plus, I'm sure it gets pretty hot in a greenhouse - so not beyond the realms of possibility that someone might learn how to grow exotic fruits in a hothouse.
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