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accymel 08-02-2007 21:35

Social Services failed again
 
Parents jailed for exteme cruelty of their 4 year old daughter, locked her in the toilet, naked, scaulds, clumps of her hair etc. Social services again failed to act yet again. Mother jailed for 11 years, father jailed for 10yrs.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/08022007/14...tic-abuse.html

Absolute disgust at what these evil gets did & failure again of social services getting it wrong!!

West Ender 08-02-2007 21:42

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Cases like this make me wish I could change the sentencing laws. I would like the same treatment to be given to the parents as they gave to this poor little child and, yes, I'd be happy be the one to do it.

cherokee 08-02-2007 21:45

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this is just heartbreaking.....that poor poor child was let down by the system and her own parents..just hope she can learn to trust again...and finds someone to give her all the love in the world

Tinkerbelle 08-02-2007 21:51

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I don't mind admitting I was close to tears listening to the news reports of this earlier. Poor little sweetheart ..... I just hope she has so much love given to her now she's away from those monsters.

WillowTheWhisp 08-02-2007 21:52

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I'm going to say it again and I don't care who doesn't like what I say. These people should be prevented from ever having another child. I don't give a tuppeny fig about any so called human rights they may claim they have. I know it isn't legally a permissible part of the punishment and actually I don't regard it as punishment. I believe it should be a necessary requirement that anyone convicted of treating their own child in such a horrifying way should be sterelized.

SPUGGIE J 08-02-2007 22:53

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 381015)
Cases like this make me wish I could change the sentencing laws. I would like the same treatment to be given to the parents as they gave to this poor little child and, yes, I'd be happy be the one to do it.


Not to worry the cons will get at them as they cannot stand this kind of crime. These 2 evil people will spend their sentence in solitary for their own safety.

cashman 09-02-2007 00:10

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the thing that really brasses me off as well as these 2 scumbags is the BITCH from social services on the news tonight, saying discipinary procedure was not deemed necessary, if any of you cocked up like that,in yer jobs yer feet wouldn,t touch.:mad:

SPUGGIE J 09-02-2007 00:30

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 381083)
the thing that really brasses me off as well as these 2 scumbags is the BITCH from social services on the news tonight, saying discipinary procedure was not deemed necessary, if any of you cocked up like that,in yer jobs yer feet wouldn,t touch.:mad:

Who decided that then some jobsworth? The party involved should have been charged as well. :mad:

cashman 09-02-2007 00:32

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 381093)
Who decided that then some jobsworth? The party involved should have been charged as well. :mad:

yep one of the heads of social services for the area,COW.

SPUGGIE J 09-02-2007 00:38

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 381096)
yep one of the heads of social services for the area,COW.

No morals concience or pity. A typical jobsworth.

Ianto.W. 09-02-2007 02:19

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What is, and always has been wrong with, The department Of Social Services, is they either 'jump in' with both feet, or they don't go in at all.

LancYorkYankee 09-02-2007 02:22

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Sad that this sort of stuff is a world wide problem. Cindy heard on the news about a tragic situation in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, USA.

Seems, a 5 year old girl's father got upset with her for not going to bed when told and after being hit a bit. The 23 year old father decided to throw her outside in the cold. Not sure how long or what, but seems the girl ended up dying out there!

These stories are so very difficult to comprehend!
\
Brian

WillowTheWhisp 09-02-2007 06:42

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I just can't find words to describe how I feel. How could anyone treat a child that way? I hope he was found guilty of manslaughter at the very least.

I just heard on our news this morning that the little girl Mel posted about had actually been taken from the parents as a baby and then later given back to them :( I suppose this was their 'human rights' to have their own child back. Social Services were supposed to be keeping an eye on her but one time when they went she had a broken arm and they just accepted the story that she'd had an accident. Several times after that they called but failed to see the child, just accepted the mother's story that she was out with the Dad!

There are supposed to be guidelines that where a child is known to be possibly at risk and that child suffers an injury they are supposed to speak to the child away from the parents and ask the child what happened. OK the child may have been too scared of her parents or unable to tell anyone anything but surely they'd have been able to see signs?

grego 09-02-2007 09:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 381020)
I'm going to say it again and I don't care who doesn't like what I say. These people should be prevented from ever having another child. I don't give a tuppeny fig about any so called human rights they may claim they have. I know it isn't legally a permissible part of the punishment and actually I don't regard it as punishment. I believe it should be a necessary requirement that anyone convicted of treating their own child in such a horrifying way should be sterelized.

I totally agree with Willow on this one. The sentance doesn't seem enough either, how anyone can treat a child like this is beyond me, how the social services missed the signs of abuse also beggars belief, hope the parents endure similar treatment in prison.

cherokee 09-02-2007 12:20

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wasnt it the childs grandmother that raised the alarm...? and as for the social services going round to be told the child were out with her dad this happened several times and no action were taken... that SW should be strung up..i mean why oh why did she not insist on waiting and seeing the little girl for herself . alarm bells should have rung the second time she were given that story..

accymel 09-02-2007 12:30

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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 381227)
wasnt it the childs grandmother that raised the alarm...? and as for the social services going round to be told the child were out with her dad this happened several times and no action were taken... that SW should be strung up..i mean why oh why did she not insist on waiting and seeing the little girl for herself . alarm bells should have rung the second time she were given that story..

Yeh thats true.

Trouble with social services is their inconsistances in handling cases of suspicion, heavy handed when no need to be & too soft when need to be:rolleyes:

SPUGGIE J 09-02-2007 12:51

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 381234)
Yeh thats true.

Trouble with social services is their inconsistances in handling cases of suspicion, heavy handed when no need to be & too soft when need to be:rolleyes:


After this latest balls up you would think that the SS would get a public inquiry thrust upon them and ways found to sort out the mess its in.

pendy 09-02-2007 15:35

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 381234)
Yeh thats true.

Trouble with social services is their inconsistances in handling cases of suspicion, heavy handed when no need to be & too soft when need to be:rolleyes:

So it's not just me that thinks this - it does seem that if you are decent, hard-working and self-supporting, Social Services will be down on you like a shot if your child develops so much as a bruise, but you can get away with murder quite literally (or almost so) if you are known to be violent and have a history of abuse of others. There have been so many cases where good parents have had to fight to stop their children being taken away from them for no reason at all, and yet the same morons who are splitting up decent families will accept from some known violent toe-rag that their "at risk" child is not available whenever they call. I think perhaps anyone who wants to be a social worker is the very last sort of person who should be allowed to be - a desire to interfere in someone else's life in order to cover up the inadequacies of their own is all too frequently the motivation. And, what's more, the majority of them have no particular background in any of the social sciences or medicine - only a "Certificate in Social Work" - available in your local public bog, please take one off the roll.

There - I've had my moan, but unfortunately it's all too true.

SPUGGIE J 09-02-2007 16:14

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The SS never seem to have to answer for their actions which to me is downright disgraceful all govenment departments should be open to intense scrutiny. Pendy its not a moan its a fair assesment of the situation.

lindsay ormerod 09-02-2007 17:48

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It's no surprise when things like this happen;I was asked some rather "odd " questions when I had to take my daughter to casualty twice in a year,both times for head injuries;she crashed into the hearth at the child minders and then fell backwards off a stool at my Mum's. I understand why the questions were necessary but I was also glad that I had witnesses to both these accidents as I felt it would have been difficult to prove otherwise ! These questions were raised by the staff at the hospital and I understand that the doctors in the poor childs case raised their concerns over her broken arm;obviously not followed up carefully enough.

panther 09-02-2007 19:13

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I cannot believe that these 'things' only got 10/12 years!!!
they should be strung up and left for the public to deal with, with what they done to that poor child!!

Sara 09-02-2007 19:50

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As spuggie says the cons will get them. Well i hope they do. Reading the report is sickening. What that child must have gone through and most likely is still going through is terrible. Lets hope she gets some excellent foster parents. Haven't got a lot of faith in SS myself. Must need a degree in stupididy along with whatever else they need to become a social worker. Okay there must be some decent ones out there but if they haven't got a good boss they're might as well bang their heads against a brick wall. It's time they got rid of the PC brigade and got back to basics.

West Ender 09-02-2007 21:13

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I was talking about this case with a colleague yesterday. Her friend is a Social Worker and she said it was difficult for them as they have such large caseloads and restricted resources. Well, excuse me, but that just doesn't cut it for me. The 2 elements of society that are most vulnerable are the very young and the very old and if I were a Social Worker I would not be able to walk away from a situation where I had the slightest suspicion there might be something wrong. For exactly that reason I would, probably, never have lasted more than 5 minutes in that job.

That, to me, is where it all goes wrong. Too many people in that profession are there for the money and the kudos and treat it as just a job. Could you sleep at night if you had the faintest inkling a child was being abused and you hadn't done your damnedest to find the facts and make that child safe? I couldn't.

grego 10-02-2007 14:31

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Personally, I wouldn't be able to go home and switch off if I thought a child was in danger and surely there are priorities amongst their case loads, children most at risk etc. I dont think a busy case load can be blamed on this occasion as the SW that went round was fobbed off twice.

lettie 10-02-2007 16:57

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Once again we have a terrible case of abuse which has been mismanaged. The pathetic sentencing tells us that this is not a great crime, how very wrong..
I agree that these people should be sterilised, it's amazing that people like this never seem to have a problem procreating. I will bet that some do-gooder will now argue that the couple were unable to cope with their child's disabilities and did not get enough support from local services because, in this country, there is always some pinko willing to make an excuse for somebody elses pure badness..:rolleyes:

SPUGGIE J 10-02-2007 17:48

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Until the SS is brought to task and heads role because of what amounts to a humungus goof. They seem to be a law until themselves who when a kid gets a clip around the lug and its reported they do a charge of the light brigade in (ok slight exagiration) Yet when there was a child in trouble and they have concerns they take the softly softly approach.

The buck gets bounced around more than a ping pong ball.

THIS NEEDS TO STOP

Gayle 10-02-2007 21:57

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Just found this news report

The Sun has discovered that the mother jailed for torturing her disabled daughter is five-and-a-half months pregnant.

Kimberly Harte, 23, has just started serving an 11-and-a-half year prison sentence after subjecting her four-year-old, who suffers from cerebral palsy, to a campaign of systematic cruelty.

But Harte, who is now in Holloway Prison, will not be allowed to keep her baby - it will be taken away at birth.

WillowTheWhisp 10-02-2007 23:52

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 381944)
Harte, who is now in Holloway Prison, will not be allowed to keep her baby - it will be taken away at birth.

Excellent decision - common sense prevails at last.

SPUGGIE J 11-02-2007 00:23

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 381971)
Excellent decision - common sense prevails at last.


Hope the child dosnt learn of its parents past or has any contact.

WillowTheWhisp 11-02-2007 08:38

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Even if adopted, he or she will probably want to trace their natural parents one day :( Imagine how awful that is going to be.

declan 11-02-2007 19:09

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" I suppose this was their 'human rights' " this had nothing at all to do with human rights law lets get this right, this was to do with the staff at Social services, who only care about watching their own backs and interfering where they should keep their nose out, a few months aho i saw an item on BBC how twelves children were taken away from families in Oldham on suspected Devil abuse it came out that there was not one shread of evidence to support it, it was contrived by two social workers who wanted to make a name for themselves, the poor chidren suffered and were returned to grieving parents but not once would the Social Services Dept apologise to those parents who had lost their children for over six years, until a court ordered them to, that is Social Services for you

panther 14-02-2007 09:52

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I see theres another death of a 2 year old!:mad: ,........ Casey Mullen, known as Little Smiler, was raped and murdered in her bedroom.
She died from “compression of the neck”, police said last night!!

what goes through these sick twisted minds???????

bring back the death penalty! this has to stop!!

panther 14-02-2007 09:52

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Leeds Social Services confirmed they were involved with the family more than a year ago.

WillowTheWhisp 14-02-2007 09:56

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Busman was talking about this one last night and I'm horrified. How could anyone do that? :(

SPUGGIE J 14-02-2007 10:22

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After this lastest incident haul the SS over the coals and get rid of the deadweight and deadwood so they can get back to their real job.


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