Official - the uk worst place to grow up
 

The uk is now officialy the worst place to grow up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6359363.stm

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perhaps you could send that link to the P.C. brigade/do-gooders jen its dipsticks like that - that are the biggest contributary factor.

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Strange that we were in bottom place of industrial nations, with the USA next to bottom, yet they are probably the two most popular countries in the world with people from the third world, who want to emmigrate here....and have children.

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its a bit of a double edged sword

personally if i had the "freedom" to do it i wud move to sweden or denmark

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I'm not surprised by these findings but find it rather sad, agree though about parent responsibility.

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Goes to show what political interference has done. They helped create the dog it dog attitude and now they are having a bubbling session over it. This was the bit that cracked me up in the article;

Welfare Reform Minister Jim Murphy said the Unicef study was an "historic" report, which used some data which was now out of date.

Now would they have complained if it was showing the opposite???

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well most parents dont give a damn about their kids, thats why the kids are doing what they doing, they get away with what they want, and I believe that parents are to blame!:(

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I don't think it's most parents

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A good hiding would cure the little darlings but sadley the gov banned it hense what we have today.

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its them bringing em up, learning them whats right and wrong

true!

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I think there are too many parents these days that are happy to sit their children in front of the telly or computer, and do anything for an easy life. Children need discipline and direction, not necessarily a good hiding but they do need boundaries.

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In which case where do you draw the line. Who brought todays parents up? Your theory would suggest that they didn't do a very good job as their children don't know how to bring up children

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I think there's good and bad in every generation, maybe todays seem really bad just because its whats happening now!

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emmm i get your point, but most parents are to blame, you look at kids who are little ****s, and look at the parents...........
the kids round my end who are troublesome, thier parents are either drunk, or completely out of it or gobby just like the kids, they have to get it from someone! but i understand where your coming from.

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In the cases you mention then I would agree the parents have a responsibility. I still suggest that is not most parents but a minority, who in turn get all the publicity.

At the end of the day it's a society thing and those responsible for making this country as it is today come from all walks of life and probably a lot of them don't even have children. We live in a greedy and selfish society and those responsible for creating the environment we live in lead by example in that respect.

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The parents answer so they dont have to spend time with their offspring is to buy them every gadget they can so they stay in the bedroom from under the feet. This is the 21C version of children should not be seen or heard.

Then when the darlings get old enough to roam the streets to cause enough trouble to be arrested and hauled to court what happens.

The parents pipe up "well they wanted for nothing"

Well hello did you spend time with them as they grew up?

Errrr no.

In that case the blame lies with you!

Kids need their parents more than any bit of electronic item.

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It's finding the right balance between the time you have available to spend with them, the time they want to spend with you and the options they have available. My daughter has a lot of gadgets but they are there for when she wants to use them.

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When we were infants, probably, most of our mothers were not at work all the time and spent quality time with us in those, our most impressionable, years. When we reached school age then our mothers had more time, if they wanted, to enter the workforce. I'm not trying to be sexist but babies need their mothers early on in life, it is when their personalities are formed and they learn the most about how to behave from the examples set. I am not against women in the workforce, they make an invaluable contribution, but, in my opinion, they have more important things to attend to, during the first five years or so, of their children's lives. Of course, since women's liberation, we have arrived at a stage where many families cannot afford to exist on one wage. Society has made the rod for its own back.

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Nonsense! Most parents are fine and so are most kids.

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Looks, then, like you managed to be sexist without "trying!"

I know families where Mom goes to work and the kids are just fine, and others where Mom stays home and the kids are a complete mess. Frankly, I think we falsely romanticize the era when it was normal for Moms to have no better employment than as unpaid, homebound cooks, cleaning ladies, and laundresses! It includes the unstated assumption that women are less than equal to men, in that it assigns the roles solely based on gender. There were problems aplenty at that time, but society chose not to discuss them.

I also know families, where Dad does most of the nurturing, that are quite successful.

It's not so much a matter of one parent or the oher staying home as it is how they spend time with their kids. My parents did a few things that I think really worked - they always limited our TV viewing, we ususally sat down as a family for supper (no TV), they read to us and made sure that we had reading material that interested us, they set expectations, they let us earn privileges and some (not all) of the things we desired, and (most importantly) they listened. Abusive techniques, such as spankings and thrashings, were not a featured part of the program. Generally speaking, negative reinforcement is not a good tool to train any animal; why then do so many folks believe that it is appropriate for humans? Answer - because applying negative reinforcement is the lazy way out, as it takes less time and effort.

"One size fit all" approaches to life usually don't work. My mother was much happier and, therefore, able to do a better job as a mother, when she was working.

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yeh and most are not!:D

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It's not rocket science;if you are a well-mannered,polite and civil parent with regard for others then your children will learn from your example and will NOT grow up into the nauseating chav scum that currently make our streets unsafe and sit on buses blaring out nonsense tunes from their phones at full blast! Having recently been unfortunate enough to see the inside of the Job centre for only the 2nd time in my life I was appalled at the attitude of some of the "younger " claimants and I may add that the attitude of the staff there differed greatly too;the lady helping me was courteous and really helpful;the lady opposite having to deal with a tracksuitted Waynetta Slob lookalike was giving her short shrift over her lack of effort to look for work and then gave her a reading test to see if she could actually understand a vacancy advert!
I know appearance isn't everything but these kids are really not helping themselves and you just know that 3 years down the line that girl will be on the council house list,a toddler round her knees and another on the way,still arguing the toss with the benefits office. Grrr.

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It's not rocket science;if you are a well-mannered,polite and civil parent with regard for others then your children will learn from your example and will NOT grow up into the nauseating chav scum that currently make our streets unsafe and sit on buses blaring out nonsense tunes from their phones at full blast!-----thats the real nub of the problem in a nutshell.also its the minority getting the majority a bad name.

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I'm sure countries like Holland, Denmark, Sweden and Finland are just as "liberated" and have many mothers going out to work, yet they have managed to top the quality of life for children table. So I don't see how the two are connected. Rather, it's they way kids are brought up, regardless of whether the mother goes out to work or not.

A large and growing minority of parents in this country couldn't care less about how their kids turn out and, in fact, set a poor example to them with their own selfish, anti-social behaviour. This trend has been increasing for awhile now and is starting to have serious consequences for the UK. Go out into any city or town centre on a weekend night and you will see scenes of widespread yobbishness and casual violence that you simply do not see in other developed countries - something that, personally, makes me feel ashamed to be British at times. This is the end result of the poor upbringing that many inflict on their children in this country.

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My, what a "brilliant" response! Any other "pearls" you care to offer? LOL!

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This would never have happend in the 50's and 60's or 70's eh Wynonie?..the 50's Notting Hill riots.. peolple stabbed to death... mods n rockers in the 60's.. skinheads in the 70's.. untold deaths from ramapaging footy hooligans in the 80's.. was this the fault of the parents?... but of course these things did not happen, in those days we were all civilised and it was all great fun :D

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Of course there were violent incidents in previous eras, but not to the same extent that there is now. You could go out for a night on the town in the 60's and the most you'd see is the odd scuffle. Go out into the middle of Manchester late on a Friday or Saturday night and see the mayhem that ensues these days. Are you seriously saying that violent crime hasn't got worse over the last 50 years?

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I don't agree Wynonie.. gun crime as involves shooting people has increased.. but as for what may be called anti social crime has not.. the 70's 80's and 90's were more violent as regards violent crimes than today.. when I say violent crimes I do include hooligans and muggers.. was it the case that these offenders were brought up by bad parents in the 50's and 60's?

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So basically, what you're saying is that violent crime not involving the use of firearms is at roughly the same level as it was in 1957 or 1967? In fact, that there are less violent crimes than there were in 1977? Well, it doesn't seem that way to me. When I go out these days, there seems to be a lot more violence around than there was in the 70's. And, yes, I would blame the parents of violent criminals.

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Wynonie.. when you go out, were do you see this violence?.. when I go out I see no more violence than I did 20yrs ago.. what I am saying as reponse to your post is that we had violence in the 60's.. you seem to live in a world were aggro in the streets started in around 2000... the "kids" that stabbed people in the 50's were brought up by parents from the 40's... the Krays were brought up by parents in the 50's.
Was it the parents fault for the violence that occured in the 50's?

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Mancie, when I go for a night out in Manchester or Stockport I see violence breaking out with sickening regularity. If you don't believe me, go to Piccadilly Gardens about 1 -2 am on a Sunday morning. You won't stay long! Of course there was violence in the past. I saw a fair few punch ups in Accy Con in the 60's and downtown Accy could sometimes be a bit hairy in the 70's after a Burnley-Rovers derby match. However, what I'm saying is that you did not see the same level of mass violence week in week out that you see now. And I also find it very difficult to accept your proposition that non-gun related violent crime rates are no higher than they were in the 50's and 60's.

As for parents, yes, I think that if you either set a bad example to your children or don't bring them up to show respect and consideration for others, your neglect will in all probability manifest itself in bad behaviour which may well include uncontrolled aggression and violence. Seems perfectly obvious to me!

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i would say to that mancie that now its on a much lager scale,and also figures of any of this i think would be unreliable cos unless you are seriously injured,people tend NOT to report things cos they think its a waste of time.i know a good few young people who have not.

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I do not agree.. no one can tell me that the aggro between rival football fans on the open towns of this country compare to today...and maybe in the 60's the notion that criminals only killed there own mobs is a myth.. again I would ask you .. were the parents to blame for the Krays?.. and were the parents to blame for the deaths at hysel? if so then these parents were brought up there kids in the 40's 50's and 60's... your generation, a time were you seem to think no wrong was done.

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I should have made it short..... you ARE the parents or granparents of these hooligans who you say roam the streets.. if we follow the argument then YOU are the people to blame.

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Oh no, Mancie you're not going to trot out that old "We are all to blame" argument, are you? I'm not to blame, I brought my daughter up to respect others and that's how she lives her life. I'm sure there are plenty on here who've done the same, so don't try to lay the blame at OUR door!

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Maybe some did or do have a serious case of "I dont give a damn or dont care" but tarring all with the same brush is wrong. There is always peer pressure as well and even the best behaved and polite can go of the rails reguardless of how they have been brought up. Society seems to accept this mess and until a way is found to bring it to an acceptable level then we are stuck with it. There was a family in the paper yesterday that was given an ASBO because of their behavior which included swearing constantly at others. They are allowed to swear at each other but not at anyone outside the immediate family so what kind of message does that send.

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