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just seen on tv, the government are supposedly going to close the loophole in the law that says a person carrying a gun will get a mandatory 5 years in prison.apparently at the moment you do if you are 21,they want to reduce this to 17years old. now excuse me but how is this going to make any differance?any one of any age wether 15 or 50 etc should be encompassed by this law, what i,m saying basically is this SHOULD APPLY to ANY AGE. anyone disagree?

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Quite a serious deterrent. Gun crime in the UK is on the up. I just think they should tackle it to stop it getting worse.

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Give em all life without parole regardless of age. 3 and 5 years aint enough of a deterent.

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how many people get killed before they catch the person with a gun?

their are cases where peopel shoudl own a gun like a farmer for example but there is no reason for joe public to own one so if found witha gun no matter what age you are then 20 years inside shoudl do teh trick

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With respect, I think a lot of people forget that a few years ago Joe Public used to be permitted to own a handgun in this country, and but for some nutter in Hungerford and Dunblane going berserk where sadly a lot of people lost their lives which in itself was a dreadful consequence, but the law was passed that owning a handgun was illegal by the do gooders and a lot of law abiding people lost a perfectly good hobby and this action has done nothing to reduce gun crime in this country, in fact it was almost never heard of that a robbery or gang shooting being done with a legally registered firearm, there was the same black market in illegal firearms as there is today.

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i thought peopel who shot for a hobby had their guns kept at the gun club which ithink was a good idea as it meant them not been in the home

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I dont think it'll make much difference to the kids who carry guns, I'm sure they wont think "I'm 17 now better not carry the gun", also aren't our prisons full, where are they all going to go?

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ok new law

if caught with a gun the police can shoot you with it :D

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I'm not sure about that Chav, my Dad had a really good collection of handguns before the ban, it was a big hobby of his, he had to hand over the lot, dont think he had a choice of keeping them in a club.:)

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What about the shotguns for clay pidgeon shooting clubs?

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A point not lost on the scum who break the law in this country

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A large secure sewer with no way of getting out just were they belong. :)

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Yes, I'll sign that petition!:D

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Not sure about that Spug but I'm talking more Colt 45:D

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So its time for police sanctioned murder by police. Mind you it seems like a good idea . :D

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there has always been a blackmarket in illegal firearms ernie,as you say,the Big differance now is you can pick them up in most small towns like accy,not just the big citys,also they are much more available these days.i am not against gun clubs and the like. i am against any local yob CARRYING firearms Whatever age they happen to be.and think the government is stupid restricting the age of the sentence.

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I suppose the government bringing the age down from 21 to 17 is better than nothing but I agree Cashy that the same sentance should be given regardless of age.

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Sadley the do gooder brigade would object to it on the grounds that at 17 they are still kids.

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:D Can we not shoot the doo gooders?:D

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Like ernie says its not the legally held guns thats the problem there kept under lock and key , no matter how many times the police have an amnesty , if you know the right people you can get a weapon, i worked on club and pub doors for over twenty years , ive seen guns sold for 20-30quid , if it was up to methere would be no age limit:Banane20:

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thats the whole point spug do these cretins think a 15 yr old with a gun is less dangerous? eer hes only 15, too young to know.:(

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That might have something to do with those large blinkers these prats wear.

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Almost all hand guns were banned. The owners were compensated by the government for them when they were taken. I am not sure how much money it cost to take all the guns from the owners but I bet it was hundreds of thousands. All that money for nothing. Gun crime has increased since the ban. I think the ban should be over turned and people should again be allowed to own hand guns.

Not quite all hand guns were banned. You can still legally own (with the correct paperwork) black powder guns. These can be the flintlock type we usually think of but, you can also own black powder revolvers as well.

I am interested to know how we can hold the Olympics in this country. It includes pistol shooting but those pistols are illegal in this country.

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But the nutters in Hungerford and Dunblane used legally owned guns! "people lost a perfectly good hobby"?.. try telling that to the parents of the 15 children shot dead. No one actually needs a gun.. and I include farmers.

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I must admit Mancie that though my Dad was gutted when he had to hand over his gun collection he said that if it stops Hungerford/Dumblane happening again that it was worth it!

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Of course most robbery with guns has always been done using illegal firearms.. but somewhere down the line these guns were once legally owned.
What amazes me is how a 15yr old gains access to guns.. I presume they are sold/provided by an adult... a mandatory 20yr sentence is not to much for anyone in possesion of a lethal firearm.. if someone has a gun you can bet it will be used eventually.

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Mancie, I am not making light of the terrible loss that those families suffered in those two instances, and whatever anyone says or does will not bring those poor kids back. The point I was making was that although the Government have banned legal ownership of handguns it has not stopped gun crime in this country. The disturbing fact is that guns are available in this country if you know where to look, and until the issue is properly addressed by the authorities then we will always have crime involving the use of guns.

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Ernie..I did not think you were making light of the murders.. I think there was no other option but to ban all guns...one less gun could be one less life lost. At the same time I doubt things will get much better no matter what laws or sentencing measures are put in place..it's very depressing to see young kids not even out of thier school days shot dead, although at the moment it is the inner cities that are most affected, these things have a habit of spreading.

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Well said Ernie... I agree with you 100%

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If those who want guns find it harder or nigh on impossible to lay their grubby hands on they will still find other ways to do what they are planning. Guns may be handy for drive by's hold ups etc but I reackon that most of the people with illeagal guns would find a way to make crude but effective DIY ones. We are at the moment fighting a loosing battle to which I cannot see an end. You could give life without parole to an offender for having one, but if that gun provides what that person wanted regardless of cost they aint going to bother.

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I think the people who are likely to use the guns and gang members dont think of the consequences re jail, they couldn't care less.

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no they are kept at home.

you must have a secure gun safe fitted (set in concrete and fixed to an internal wall) which must then be inspected by the police firearms officer BEFORE you apply for a gun licence and you must also be a member of a home office approved gun/rifle club
and you must specify exactly which gun's/rifles you are applying for a licence for (well what calibre anyway) and normally they will only allow 1 gun of each calibre and the number of guns you can own is entirely down to the firearms officer.

technically you can still own handguns
but only if they are fitted with a rifle stock (which can easily be removed) and it must have a barrel of at least 13 inches or alternatively you can legally own a black powder pistol as these are not covered by the ban.
(with a license of course)
alternatively you can use the clubs own guns

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Bit of an interuption: Do most or all British policeman now have to carry guns. I thought not too long ago they were safely handling crime with just their wistles and billy clubs. Or is that just an un-informed American view?

Brian

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I think there's only a select few that carry guns, not all thank goodness!

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no LYY the only ones who carry guns have volunteered to do so,no copper can be made to carry a gun.

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This past July, I remember seeing 2 different police-type forces while riding the Tube in London. I believe I saw both "Bobbies(sp)" with no guns as well as another force with both handguns and I believed automatic weapons. Would that be due the recent terrorism? What agency does that group come under?

Brian

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Re. British police, what about stun-guns (tasers) are they standard police issue these days ? Once they (the police) get the feel of them it will be no problem up-grading them to some real fire power :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I checked out a local deputy sheriff in the store the other day and he had more stuff hanging from his belt than Bob the Builder how the heck he could give chase I have no idea,
;) ;) ;)

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The armed ones could be part of SO11 armed response.

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The first time I saw a policeman with a gun was in 1965 when disembarking from an aircraft (with propellors), at Aldergrove Airport Northern Ireland on my way to start a job in Antrim, at the time it was rather a strange sight as 'the troubles' as we now know them had not started, or had not been publicised.
One has to remember television was mainly government controlled and the news heavily censured. The Royal Protection Service branch of the Police Force have always been armed, as has the Secret Services.

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I cant believe so many young lads are going around with guns, i think i will give Manchester a wide birth