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firefighter753 20-02-2007 18:08
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Today was the inquest of the fire on Tremellen St. The findings are horrific. What a crying shame.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/6379833.stm

accymel 20-02-2007 18:17
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Its an absolute shame, how on earth could he kill his family like that in a my way or high way kind of attitude:( a really terrifying thought indeed.

I hope the survivng family can move forward after this.

panther 20-02-2007 18:41
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an uncles tribute................ http://www.lancashireeveningtelegrap...r.2783.0.0.php

garinda 20-02-2007 18:52
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As well as great sadness for the family, we should also remember the fire service, who though they probably see many, many tragic things whilst carrying out their job, more than likely also had to witness terrible scenes at this family's house, all whilst carrying out their duties in a professional manner.

Thank you.

WillowTheWhisp 20-02-2007 21:04
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It's so hard to understand how anyone can take the lives of their family, especially such lovely daughters. Ironic, and perhaps poetic justice, that he probably suffered more physically than they did but I agree that it's a pity he didn't survive to stand trial and to face the family and friends of those whose lives he ended so cruelly.

It must have been terrible for the firemen on that day.

entwisi 20-02-2007 21:13
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I guess for once I'm lost for words, teh poor guy who was so tortured to do such a thing, teh family itself for the situation itself and teh family, friends and services who will live with this tragedy for the rest of their lives

to all involved, my thoughts go with you

cashman 20-02-2007 22:20
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so sad, its hard enough to move on from any loss, not sure its a good thing that inquests are publicised by media? perhaps it would be a bit easier for people if they were private to the surviving relatives, at least then the descision could be for them to make?

WillowTheWhisp 20-02-2007 22:27
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I can see your point Cashman, and then again I can see the point of friends of the family who wouldn't want to intrude on grief by bringing up the subject with the remaining relatives but who still feel the need for some sort of closure of their own. It's a difficult one.

I admire Entwisi for being able to feel sympathy for the guy who was in such a turmoil that he was driven to do this. It's so hard to feel anything positive towards him.

cashman 20-02-2007 22:32
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 386079)
I can see your point Cashman, and then again I can see the point of friends of the family who wouldn't want to intrude on grief by bringing up the subject with the remaining relatives but who still feel the need for some sort of closure of their own. It's a difficult one.

I admire Entwisi for being able to feel sympathy for the guy who was in such a turmoil that he was driven to do this. It's so hard to feel anything positive towards him.
strangely willow i can see where hes coming from (i think) anyone who does anything like that i believe has flipped(heads gone) that being the case i can also.

WillowTheWhisp 20-02-2007 22:34
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It's an honour thing though isn't it?

cashman 20-02-2007 22:58
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 386085)
It's an honour thing though isn't it?
probably so,but must have flipped to do that and stay there?

grego 21-02-2007 11:11
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I cant feel for him, reagardless of his beliefs he had no right to take the lives of his wife and children, hope he rots in hell.

accymel 21-02-2007 11:22
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Originally Posted by grego (Post 386234)
I cant feel for him, reagardless of his beliefs he had no right to take the lives of his wife and children, hope he rots in hell.
Me either in all honesty & nearly was put in his wifes situ myself - i feel very sick to the core, this man was posessive & very extremely selfish, because he couldnt do the decent thing or live without them to hiself so it was a case of if i cant have em no one else will - so i'll take me with me cos I & no thought for them at all....grrrrrr!!:mad: He should of got help for his problems or done something about his own issues without doing this to his family!!


Sorry as harsh as it is its the truth of it!! I feel so much for her family left behind to come to terms with this.

entwisi 21-02-2007 11:34
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So the fact that he was mentally unbalanced at the time means nothing? Should we not help people with mental problems? We all have differing levels of stress management he was tipped (Rightly or wrongly) over his and was therefore acting in what would legally be termed diminished responsibility. i.e. he was(probably) not in control of rational thinking.

Ian

accymel 21-02-2007 11:39
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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 386241)
So the fact that he was mentally unbalanced at the time means nothing? Should we not help people with mental problems? We all have differing levels of stress management he was tipped (Rightly or wrongly) over his and was therefore acting in what would legally be termed diminished responsibility. i.e. he was(probably) not in control of rational thinking.

Ian
There is help for people with mental problems & altho if he had mental health problems it still doesnt give him the right to kill anyone!!! There are people with a variety or severe mental health issues & dont go to that level, personally i think his main problem is "control freak syndrome" as i explained above. Unfortunatley mental heath issues are a lot harder to diagnose especially its also well hidden also no cures for except life on medication & cognitive therapies. easy to suggest or to comment but the reality is much different & very hard especially on the family as well as the patient but theres not much support for families coping with it. [trust me i know!]

WillowTheWhisp 21-02-2007 11:47
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How do you know he was mentally unbalanced?

Just because we wouldn't do something like that when we are rational doesn't mean that everyone has been reared with those same values and guidelines.

I read a book a couple of years ago on holiday - can't remember the title, wish I could - written by an American woman whose father had been the target of a terrorist shooting in Jerusalem. She went under cover to seek out the guy who had shot him (he survived btw) and from her first inability to understand the mentality of indiscriminate shootings she began to relate to the people who carried out the shootings and who would rather kill their own sister than have her associate with the wrong kind of person. When one of their family was killed they accepted 'blood money' from the family of the killer and criminal charges were dropped. It made chilling reading. These people weren't mentally ill. It was their way of life, their morals, their standards.

accymel 21-02-2007 11:57
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 386252)
How do you know he was mentally unbalanced?

Just because we wouldn't do something like that when we are rational doesn't mean that everyone has been reared with those same values and guidelines.

I read a book a couple of years ago on holiday - can't remember the title, wish I could - written by an American woman whose father had been the target of a terrorist shooting in Jerusalem. She went under cover to seek out the guy who had shot him (he survived btw) and from her first inability to understand the mentality of indiscriminate shootings she began to relate to the people who carried out the shootings and who would rather kill their own sister than have her associate with the wrong kind of person. When one of their family was killed they accepted 'blood money' from the family of the killer and criminal charges were dropped. It made chilling reading. These people weren't mentally ill. It was their way of life, their morals, their standards.
Yeh thats the problem is that 'mental illness' becomes too much of an umbrella for explanations, & can be too easy in cases to excuse the person & removes their responsiblity, hence diminished responsiblity comes into it a lot legally. But how many of us have had injustices done to us [altho we may say otu loud or think it out of frustration] how many do actually go about their thought regardless???

SPUGGIE J 21-02-2007 11:58
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Having seen the 2 stories on line I dont think antone will ever know. If as suggested there was tension over how to bring the kids up it could have been something that was under normal circumstances that set it off. The only person who really knew is also dead. Its not fair on the rest of the family to throw conjecture/speculation in the air as they will still be raw. Better they get on with their lives and remember the good that was once in the dead family.

accymel 21-02-2007 11:59
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True spuggie - opologies!

WillowTheWhisp 21-02-2007 12:02
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As you say Spuggie, the only person who knows cannot tell us - time now to let the victims rest in peace.

SPUGGIE J 21-02-2007 12:07
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The remaining family has a right to get on with their lives and those innocent victims should be allowed to rest in peace. Sadley though there will always be a few who want to keep it going.

tadah 21-02-2007 17:29
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Without trying to sound heartless but wht was the point of the inquest? We knew what happened already. So how much money did it waste?

lindsay ormerod 21-02-2007 17:38
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Would have thought that's obvious;it was a case of unlawful killing;there has to be an inquest;inquests have to be held for cases like this just as in accidental deaths and suicides.

maxwell silver 21-02-2007 19:51
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I worked with Barry several years ago & thought he was a good bloke back then.He has my upmost respect for the way he has handled this personal tragedy.The losses of his sister & her children must have been hard enough but with all the media attention it brought i thought he showed great dignity.

lindsay ormerod 21-02-2007 20:17
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Have to agree there Maxwell,only know Barry and his mum by sight because I used to live on the same street but he has been very strong and I admire the way he gave his tribute. Hope they can now move on ,it must be very difficult.


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