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jambutty 22-02-2007 13:12

Should Harry Go?
 
The news report stated that Harry would be treated exactly the same as any other soldier.

So without a doubt yes he should go wherever his regiment goes.

He should also be issued with the same weapons that other soldiers were issued with, those that seize up after firing a few shots.
He should go on patrol in a flimsy Range Rover.
He should also have to share his flack jacket and other body armour just like Tommy does.
He should be short of water not just to drink but to wash in.
In short he should suffer all the trials and tribulations that other soldiers do.

If in the event his tour of duty proves to be fatal to him he should be treated like any other casualty of an illegal war.

Should Harry come home in a body bag, and I don’t wish that on anyone, what’s the betting that sycophants Blair, Brown and the cabinet will be at Brize Norton with military band and the full trimmings. I didn’t notice him there when other body bags arrived.

grannyclaret 22-02-2007 13:17

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He should be treat exactly like his peers ,after all the other lads are human beings too.And their mums and dads think their sons are just as important,,
But to be fair i think Harry wants to be treated the same

Tinkerbelle 22-02-2007 13:17

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I was never under the impression that any Royals serving in the military received special treatment?

SPUGGIE J 22-02-2007 13:23

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It will give the little ****** a reality check and hopefully make him a better person. Title and privalage aint going to make a bullet take a turn to the guy next to him is it. He will have to take his chances with the rest. Mind you he will have the cash to be certain he aint short of owt though.

jedimaster 22-02-2007 13:50

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if they aren't prepared for him to serve as a soldier on a par with any other soldier of equal rank then they shouldn't have allowed him to join

all soldiers have a duty to perfom active service when required and as far as i'm concerned he should be no different.

what's ok for little johnny from number 57 is ok for little harry from bucky palace!

moonshiner 22-02-2007 13:58

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Too damm right he should go, my son is in the army he,s been told that when he finishes the azmatt course next week he starts battle training
ready to go to afghanistan, in october, what good for one is good for another:mad:

lettie 22-02-2007 14:04

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Does nobody else think that it is more than a coincidence that as it was announced that Harry would be going to Iraq, the gov't announced plans to start pulling our troops out of there....:rolleyes:

Ianto.W. 22-02-2007 14:11

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What bugs me about the royals is that they never put their siblings in the armed forces as a bog standard squadie, they are always officers, well if he does go we will see if he is a 'leader of men' if they ever let him out of the cotton wool.

chav1 22-02-2007 14:23

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they should send teh bloody lot of them and give them size 12 boots then send them looking for landmines :)

jambutty 22-02-2007 14:26

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Originally Posted by lettie (Post 386951)
Does nobody else think that it is more than a coincidence that as it was announced that Harry would be going to Iraq, the gov't announced plans to start pulling our troops out of there....:rolleyes:

It would appear that there is a connection but we would have a hard time proving it.

Apparently when some of the troops do come home they will be replaced by 50 on behind the scene activities like training Iraqi forces and well away from the front line so to speak.

Potential scenario for Basra. British troops activity is limited to supporting the Iraqi troops and police. Meaning no more patrols but safely behind a ring of steel. Perfect for Harry so when he finally comes home the pro monarchy brigade will be able to point to the fact that he was on active service in Iraq. Which he would have been but not under direct fire.

I’m pretty sure that the lad would want to be with the men at the front line but moves are afoot to limit his exposure.

mez 22-02-2007 14:26

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yes of course he should go .he's in the army ...his uncle andrew was in the falklands war ...so whats the difference ?

cherokee 22-02-2007 14:53

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sadly what worries me is the fact that once harry and his lads are over there they will dominate media attention when it should be on all our boys not just a select few ..

Im all for him going but at the end of the day he is there to do a job just like every other squaddie, my sons done his bit over there thankfully and he is soon to return to afghanistan but as i mother i feel for every lad that is serving in such places ..not just my own

garinda 22-02-2007 15:25

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Someone, a member from abroad, sent me a pm last night on this subject, asking if it would be treasonable to start a thread asking if Prince Harry was being sent to a war zone because by paternity he isn't really Royal!

I don't know why they chose to ask me, but I answered by saying what's another conspiracy thread amongst so many, and if he wants to start a thread he should.

Sorry Steeljack, but Jambutty beat you to it!:D

My own thoughts are that Harry should be treated like any other member of the armed services, not to do so would be an insult to all those serving at present.

katex 22-02-2007 17:24

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I think the main problem here is that he definitely would be singled out as the prime target, so more at risk than any other soldier and so would the men under his command. What a coup that would be for the 'opposition', eh ? They would certainly stick their tongues out at us.

Anyway, good luck to the lad and come back safe, as I wish all the serving soldiers out there.

panther 22-02-2007 17:25

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shouldnt have joined the bloody army if they dont want em to go to war!

maxwell silver 22-02-2007 17:41

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Get the lad over there,i think he'll be up for it with his mates.But i think if the going gets tough he'll be wrapped in cotton wool by his senior officers though i expect if it does happen his fellow soldiers will already know this.At least Harry looks like he could cut it as a soldier,not like the rest of his clan.Must get it from his dad;)

SamF 22-02-2007 17:48

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He is a prince. The attention the attackers would get for killing a member of the british monarchy would be huge. He is more at risk than any other squadie and therefore it is reasonable for him to be more protected.

I am not saying he is better than the other members of the army in any way, simply that as he is at more risk, it is reasonable for him to be more protected.

LancYorkYankee 22-02-2007 18:24

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First of course he should go. Makes me proud to be English when the "Royals" serve in the military. I know it's not like he'd even be allowed on "the frontlines" but hopefully he'll get a real taste of the awfullness of war! I remember Andrew during the Falklands Rif. Just makes me proud to be English with the stiff upper lip and such.

Just finished the following. It's quite a thread wander but that's what coffee and disorders will do to me.

I now have 3 of "my boys" over in Iraq and another setting out next month. They're all Marines. These are friends of Annies who used to hang out over our house playing board games, watching movies, etc.

The "funny (meaning sad, very sad)" thing is none of them have either a strong father figure or a father at all. They refer to me as Pops and sought/seek my guidance in various areas of life. Quite a burden and responsibility but also a blessing and honor.

I believe all kids, boys and girls, need at least 3 or 4 father type figures in their life. I had none till my college javelin coach. It's too much to look to just one or two blokes, cause we all have different strengths and weaknesses.

Ladies/Moms I mean absolutely NO disrepect to you! Fact is, Moms, sisters, aunts, grandmoms are usually always there for ya. Not to whinge at all but my Mum was not there for us in any of the ways we needed!:( I'm very envious of those who have a close relationship with their parents.

Okay, just a bit more thoughts from The LYYankster, about the LYYankster, I guess for the LYYankster. Dag I hate when I open up but what is "family" for eh?

Thanks Accywebbers!;)

grego 22-02-2007 19:46

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I think Harry will want to go to war like all the other soldiers do, its what they're trained for. It will be interesting to see if his regiment is sent though.

Gayle 22-02-2007 19:56

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Yes, I think he should go - if he joined the army then he has to serve as a regular guy.

Btw Ianto, a friend of mine entered the army as an officer so I don't think it's just royalty that can do that.

WillowTheWhisp 22-02-2007 21:04

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if Prince Harry was being sent to a war zone because by paternity he isn't really Royal!

Well other royals have gone to war without their paternity being in question so I think it's a bit of a wild idea.

cashman 22-02-2007 23:48

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 387203)

Well other royals have gone to war without their paternity being in question so I think it's a bit of a wild idea.

true willow but with Harry the odds are much shorter.:D

US Angel 23-02-2007 00:16

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Yes he should go
my Son in law left feb 14 for Afganistan
my youngest daughter leaves in the summer for Iraq
My son is in training to go this year
and hubby could go by the end of the year
so hell yea he sign up no one was holding a gun to his head

SamF 23-02-2007 08:02

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 387179)
Btw Ianto, a friend of mine entered the army as an officer so I don't think it's just royalty that can do that.

If you have a degree you can go in as officer.

Wynonie Harris 23-02-2007 09:22

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Far more important is the fact that no British troops should be there. We were conned into this war by a dishonest government peddling a dodgy dossier on non-existent weapons of mass destruction with the resultant waste of thousands of lives and billions of pounds. Harry should be treated just like any other soldier but he and the rest of the British army shouldn't even be in Iraq!

grego 23-02-2007 09:43

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 387284)
Far more important is the fact that no British troops should be there. We were conned into this war by a dishonest government peddling a dodgy dossier on non-existent weapons of mass destruction with the resultant waste of thousands of lives and billions of pounds. Harry should be treated just like any other soldier but he and the rest of the British army shouldn't even be in Iraq!

Totally agree.

Gayle 23-02-2007 10:03

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Originally Posted by SamF (Post 387277)
If you have a degree you can go in as officer.

Does Harry have one of those?

tadah 23-02-2007 10:54

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Chuck him in there along with the rest of the royals. They do ****** all anyway really.

Doug 23-02-2007 11:37

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Mr Hewitt is a serving British Solder as will fulfil his obligation to his Queen and Country. What concerns me is the media speculation of his arrival in Theatre. The capture and holding to ransom of a British member of the Royal family will be a rag heads wet dream, every man jack of them will be looking for him. We don’t post information about individual serving members of our armed forces committed to enter a theatre of war, the media hype about this lad may well bring tears to another family for no just reason. May his god protect him and his men.

jambutty 23-02-2007 12:24

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Originally Posted by SamF (Post 387277)
If you have a degree you can go in as officer.

Although a degree helps it is not necessary. You need a good education meaning that you have a selection of high grade “A” levels or whatever it is they call them these days.

Many a squaddie has gone on to become an officer and they didn’t have degrees.

jambutty 23-02-2007 13:03

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Some troops being withdrawn from Iraq and now it has been announced that 1,000 more troops will be sent o Afghanistan. We could see that coming!

Ianto.W. 23-02-2007 13:04

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 387179)
Yes, I think he should go - if he joined the army then he has to serve as a regular guy.

Btw Ianto, a friend of mine entered the army as an officer so I don't think it's just royalty that can do that.

I understand Gayle, I was in the Royal Armoured Corps, my question was 'why' are they always officers? In this last batch of 'armified royals' only prince Edward could not hack it, he should have been made to serve in the ranks 'backsquadied' into a lesser demanding regiment, not let out to play with paint brushes, and a fancy wife found for him.:confused:

Ianto.W. 23-02-2007 13:26

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Originally Posted by SamF (Post 387277)
If you have a degree you can go in as officer.

Getting in with a degree does not guarantee you will be an officer, if you fail to pass the basic tests that any soldier has to do and attain a certain standard in drill firearms medical standards, (Marines and parachute regiments are more strict than the others), you will be backsquadied to try again, then if you fail you will be 'binned', or offered a less demanding regiment. This applies to all ranks not just officer cadets who all do the same initial basic training. You would be amazed at the amount of 'two left feet brigade' that have degrees and get 'binned'.;)

LancYorkYankee 23-02-2007 18:31

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I believe with a college degree over here, you can go into the army as a 2nd lieutenant! Not sure how that corelates to the British Army.

Brian

Ianto.W. 24-02-2007 00:58

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee (Post 387523)
I believe with a college degree over here, you can go into the army as a 2nd lieutenant! Not sure how that corelates to the British Army.

Brian

It's the same here Brian, doctors and the like are 'fastracked' up to captain prety quickly, but usually that's as far as they go.

Crabby 24-02-2007 06:39

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 387084)
I think the main problem here is that he definitely would be singled out as the prime target, so more at risk than any other soldier and so would the men under his command. What a coup that would be for the 'opposition', eh ? They would certainly stick their tongues out at us.

Anyway, good luck to the lad and come back safe, as I wish all the serving soldiers out there.

Agree with you he would be a prime target. Hope ALL the lads come back safe including H

Gayle 24-02-2007 12:43

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 387387)
I understand Gayle, I was in the Royal Armoured Corps, my question was 'why' are they always officers? In this last batch of 'armified royals' only prince Edward could not hack it, he should have been made to serve in the ranks 'backsquadied' into a lesser demanding regiment, not let out to play with paint brushes, and a fancy wife found for him.:confused:

I'm sorry and I'm not meaning to be awkward but why shouldn't he go in as an officer if he's got the grades to get him in at that rank? I can't imagine anyone, royal or not, saying 'I've got a degree but I'd rather start as a squaddie, thanks', everyone is more or less bound to want to start at the highest rank that they can. Plus, I thought that if you went is as a squaddie there was only so high you could be promoted to regardless of how good you are. So, again why should he not go in as an officer?

Ianto.W. 24-02-2007 13:42

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 387822)
I'm sorry and I'm not meaning to be awkward but why shouldn't he go in as an officer if he's got the grades to get him in at that rank? I can't imagine anyone, royal or not, saying 'I've got a degree but I'd rather start as a squaddie, thanks', everyone is more or less bound to want to start at the highest rank that they can. Plus, I thought that if you went is as a squaddie there was only so high you could be promoted to regardless of how good you are. So, again why should he not go in as an officer?

I'm not arguing either Gayle he got his degree, he did and passed the arduous training to pass out as an officer, I wish him well and a safe return. Why do they always pass at university never any failures all clever bright kid's?, not in the real world, I would have had more respect for Harry as a private soldier working his way through the ranks and realy earning the position he has now short-cutted, believe me I have had to salute some dim -wits in my time in the army. There is nothing to stop any bog standard squadie from attaining any rank, although it is easier in wartime promotion in the field etc.

garinda 24-02-2007 14:57

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 387843)
I'm not arguing either Gayle he got his degree

Prince William has a degree, but Harry hasn't.

However they were both in the Army Cadets at Eton, which I think goes towards officer entry requirements.

Ianto.W. 25-02-2007 11:58

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 387869)
Prince William has a degree, but Harry hasn't.

However they were both in the Army Cadets at Eton, which I think goes towards officer entry requirements.

I stand corrected garinda, being a royal probably helped but I must admit it is unusual :confused:


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