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kinda scary nah? i mean its like da vinci code but with evidence..

Jesus had a son named Judah and was buried alongside Mary Magdalene, according to a new documentary by Hollywood film director James Cameron. The film examines a tomb found near Jerusalem in 1980 which producers say belonged to Jesus and his family.
Speaking in New York, the Oscar-winning Titanic director said statistical tests and DNA analysis backed this view.
But Mr Cameron's claim has been attacked by archaeologists and theologians as unfounded.
Archaeologists said that the burial cave was probably that of a Jewish family with similar names to that of Jesus.
But Mr Cameron said the combination of names found on the tombs convinced him of their heritage.



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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6397373.stm

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Well I for one can't beleive that a Hollywood Film Director would make a story up or try and change history, so it must be true :rolleyes: :D

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Yes I read he was about to announce his 'findings'.

A Hollywood producer making wild unsubstantiatable claims, that will result in massive publicity?

Like......no way.:D

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Hollywood= Never Never Land. full of crap. sorry dont buy owt that comes from there if they told me it was monday i,d say LIAR.:D

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BAH! :rolleyes: Mary, Joseph, Jesus etc ... so? Those names must have been two-a-shekel in biblical times.

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just wondered Mani ? who are they saying is Judahs mother?:D

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There's 71 tombs with the name Jesus on them, within a two mile radius of Talpiyot.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology...2905662&page=1


He's not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy....who just so happens to have a soon to air television documentary about this very thing about to hit the screens.

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............. :rofl38:

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jesus was gay so the family story is rubbish , this explains teh long hair, the sandles and why his dad had him nailed to a cross.

god is a biggot :rolleyes:

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...is that your only evidence?

I think the Beetles also had long hair and wore sandles in the late sixties, as did about a million people at Woodstock.

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so your trying to convince me theres more than one gay out there ..


yeah right :confused:

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Personally I've always found men with short stubby fingers, that have long manicured nails, a bit suspect...but oh no, that can't be right because that's you!:D

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This is ludicris. Its documented that Mary Magdaline escaped to France after Jesus was crucified. So if she did she wouldnt be buried with him.

You also have to remember that Jesus was hated (apart from by his followers, obviously) and crucified as a criminal. In those days criminals were considered below people and not worthy of a decent burial. They put the criminals in mass graves, so its more likely that Jesus was put in one of these.

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Family tree of Muhammad
Muhammad traced his genealogy as follows:
Muhammad was born into the Quraysh tribe. He is the son of Abd Allah, who is son of Abd al-Muttalib (Shaiba) son of Hashim (Amr) ibn Abd Manaf (al-Mughira) son of Qusai (Zaid) ibn Kilab ibn Murra son of Ka'b ibn Lu'ay son of Ghalib ibn Fahr (Quraish) son of Malik ibn an-Nadr (Qais) the son of Kinana son of Khuzaimah son of Mudrikah (Amir) son of Ilyas son of Mudar son of Nizar son of Ma'ad ibn Adnan, whom the northern Arabs believed to be their common ancestor. Adnan in turn is said to have been a descendant of Ishmael, son of Abraham. (ibn means "son of" in Arabic; alternate names of people with two names are given in parentheses.)[20]
He was also called Abu-Qaasim (meaning "father of Qaasim") by some, after his short-lived first son.


I wonder what would have happened if some Hollywood film producer had unearthed some so called evidence that Muhammed wasn't the son of Abd Allah, and therefore not a prophet descended from Abraham?:D


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Even Hollywoods not that dumb rindy.:D

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Did Jesus have long hair? Sort of hard to tell, as we have no real-life pictures.

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Hang on am I missing summat here? I thought Jesus rose from the dead and then ascended to heaven.... what did they bury?... maybe his sandals!

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well if peopel are preppared to believe in god who has even less evidance of his existance then why not assume jesus had long hair from drawings of him ;)

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Sure they're dumb enough Cashman, just too politically correct to dare say anything of the like.

As for Jesus, I stand by my biblical beliefs rather than Hollywood's showboating!

Brian the lesser

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Mel Gibson did a good job with his movie ;) ;)


Brian/LYY , see you guys kow-towed and did the apology thing :eek: :eek:

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There are fairy's in the bottom of my garden.

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Is he friendly?

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Wasn't it only Christ's 'soul' that supposedly ascended to heaven? Or are we supposed to believe that a body levitated off into space now?

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From the Turin Shroud of course.
Hang on though, that's been scientifically proven not to be 2,000 years old.:D

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how could it just be his soul if he rose from the dead?

and weren't there witnesses?

or had they just been at the hallucinogenic plantlife of the time?

excuse my ignorance.

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Even if this is true can someone tell me what it will change? Anything? It will affect nothing so why the fuss.

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Yes but it's a great thread for gathering some useless information that may just come in handy in a round the bar argument/discussion after a few pints, *garinda* that history lesson on Muhammad was sheer magic you sure can destroy them.

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I wasn't being anti-Islamic, as an atheist, to me all religion is a load of old superstitious bunkum.:D

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Nope, not just his soul. The whole kit'n'kaboodle. Soul in resurrected body. He had a physical body because he invited Thomas to poke his finger in the nail holes and his hand in the spear wound in his side. Now that's one thing I never really understood unless it was just to prove something to Thomas because I thought resurrected bodies were supposed to not have any imperfections like holes and wounds.

Anyway, yes he was taken off in a cloud in his entirety.

Well if it was the physical bodily remains of Christ on earth then yes it would affect a heck of a lot of Christians who believe in the resurrection and ascension.

As it is, it could even be some relatives of his for all we know and they could have the same DNA (which I'm still curious about the source of) and it's a fascinating archeological find jut as the tomb of Tutenkhamun or this new one recently found in Egypt that there doesn't seem to have been much said about.

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could it not just have been possible that thomas was a pre tv derek acorah?

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ahh so he was more of a cieran o'keefe then.

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If what was found is what they claim then it will blow everything apart and not just for christians. Ok they have donesome DNA testing but how can they prove it was some ordinary family. Its like saying that someone found in a grave if unmarked is Smith or Jones. We will never know and personally I would rather it stayed that way.

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All of it is implausible.

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As explained by Willow, Christians believe that he indeed rose from the dead body and soul. This was witnessed first by Mary at the tombsite and then by the 10 Apostles later by Thomas (Judas was tied up at the time:rolleyes:). Over the next many days, there were more than 500 witnesses to the arisen Christ.

All the Apostles went to their torturous, brutal deaths (except John who was exiled to the Isle of Patmos) without deny their claims of the resurrection. (These were the same guys who had abandonned and denied Jesus was he was intially arrested).

So yes Tadah, if these truly were the bones of Jesus the Christ, it would matter greatly. History would be totally turned upside down IMO.

Brian

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I personal think Mary Mag and the apostles had a great imagination :rolleyes::D.

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But would they accept a horrible death for something made-up? Additionally, so many of the early christians, also witnesses of Jesus and His miracles, were horribly mangled, burned, and/or torn to pieces in the colliseum because of their beliefs.

This is documented by greek and/or roman historians!

Brian

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As an agnostic I don't want to offend anyone's beliefs, we're all entitled to believe whatever we like, but I have read of the theory that Jesus lived for some years with a sect, it may have been the Gnostics but I'm not sure, who practised a build-up of endurance and tolerance of physical pain. The theory goes that he was able to survive cricixion, being lucky in that it was on a Friday and Jewish law, which the Romans repected to some degree, would not allow the victims to remain in situ, on the crosses, over the Sabbath. It would explain the resurrection. The NT has the story that in Jesus' tomb the women found 2 young men sitting by the empty shroud - medics?

Doubting Thomas would not believe Jesus was alive until he saw him - and saw the wounds of the nails in his hands and feet. They would certainly be there if the man was recovering from crucifixion and the NT says the wounds were there - and raw.

That doesn't mean I believe a word of this tomb discovery nonsense. What a good way to prepare for a Hollywood blockbuster. How long before the film comes out?

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We are all entitled to believe what we want to, all I have to add is this, does it realy matter if it was his nibs grave or not, were all going to die some sooner than others. We have enough controversy in life without bothering if this is the tomb or not. Go up Burnley road there are rows and rows of his faithfull up there who have not come back to tell the tale, nor has he yet.

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It was requested by the Jewish leaders that the bodies be taken down beforethe start of the Sabbath. They broke the legs of the 2 thieves to hasten their death. When they came to Jesus, they saw that he was already dead so they didn't have to break his legs. Instead the thrust a spear into His side. Roman soldiers were no strangers to death and had no reason to allow a still living Jesus to be removed from the cross.

The Jewish leaders greatly feared the idea that Jesus said He would rise from the dead. They requested the Roman Governor, Pilate, to post a Roman Guard and also seal the tomb. These tombs were seal with a very large slab of stone. Any attempt to free Jesus would have been met by this guard and the huge stone.

Roman crucifixion consisted of not only nailing the hands but also nailing through the heal bone. Death is from both aphixiation and huge blood loss. Also, Jesus was beaten, lashed severely, and made to carry His cross much of the way, and again stabbed with a spear. No amount of tolerance to pain could overcome this.

In my humble opinion!

Brian

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In all seriousness, I think that the writers of the books in the Bible are probably no different to today's movie producers such as James Cameron; with both using information passed down/found out to conjure up a new version or interpretation of that story, of course there's huge differences because of the type of society and amounts of money involved, but we must remember Cameron is out on a limb here in a religiously warped America.
The film should not be completely thrown out as useless conspiracy, it should be viewed with interest and a fair judgement.
Anybody reading Richard Dawkins' new book 'The GOD Delusion'? Interesting stuff.

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Wow now that’s swearing!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

Hope for youre sake he not a member of Accyweb

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no thats blasphempy not swearing :D

and the last time i checked jesus didnt have internet access :)

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Sorry couldent spell it :D

But dosent God see and hear everything ;)

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if he does ime in deep trouble :)

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Yeah, but I think you were in trouble long before you posted on this thread.:D

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I like the new 'theory' through writings and paintings that Jesus had an older genetic brother (same mother) .. sort of puts the 'Immaculate Conception' in a shaky thread, doesn't it ?.. the Hollywood sect will be on to this soon .. :D

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Never heard the story about an older brother, which would throw a whole new light on Christian theology!

It is reported that Jesus apparently had a brother called James, but he was younger than Jesus.

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Only what I read t'other week Garinda, and how 'they' were investigating. Anyway, how could a person like meself ever believe in I.C. .. truly ridiculous...:D :D

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Why?

You're as pure as the driven...slush.:D

(Only jokin' xxx)

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Not a compliment being pure... all the hard work without the fun in I.C... Mary must have been really naffed off .:(

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I reckon Jesus has got internet access but he might only have dail-up.. you can walk on water all day but when it comes to BT connecting you up.. it's in the lap of the Gods! :D

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did jesus ever have any kids of his own??

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I read somewhere that some people think so - with Mary Magdalene - and that there is a direct blood line somewhere. That could be the da vinci code plot though?

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Yes it is.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code

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has anyone read this book?

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According to the Scriptures, Jesus had younger brothers and sisters. James became a leader in the newly forming Christian Church and wrote the Book of James. Aslo according to the Scriptures, he had no older brother and did not have any children.

This is not the same James who was the first Apostle to be martyred.

Brian

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Would one of these be St James The Less, Brian? and no it's not a wind up, I always wondered why one could be of lesser importance than the other, my other tinpot theory I had about him, is was he a small man? I know it sounds stupid but as a child this is the way it appeared to me.:confused:

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I always thought Jesus and John the Baptist were cousins. Recently I read that in fact Mary, Jesus's Mother, and Elizabeth, John the Baptist's Mother, were cousins. Which would make Jesus and John only second cousins(?):confused:

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James the first Martyr was the Apostle John's brother. They were also known as the Sons of Zebedee and Sons of Thunder.

I don't believe "the lesser" would have meant of less importance. Possibly the Dad was James the mostest. It had be hard without last names. These identifyers were probably just trying to specific.

The Roman Catholic church believes, based on there own traditions, that Mary, the mother of Jesus, remained a perpetual virgin.

Brian

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It must stem from the Jewish religion Brian as they do not have official 'surnames' they are usually related to their profession or the place of birth and son of, as in Goldsmith, Silver or Jewel, Rosenberg and Rosenthal.

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just thought of an easy way to solve this problem. heard on 12-00 news radio lancs,that a 67 yr old man from Padiham, has changed his name by deed poll,to Jesus Christ. so the answer is pop over Padiham and ask him.:D

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Oh dear :rofl38: Still, everyone's choice I suppose.

Perhaps, he thinks he is the second coming, but we wouldn't believe in him anyway, would we ?

The theorists on the eldest brother have excused this by stating that they could have been stepbrothers, as stories go that Joseph had been married before and many children. Seems he was very, very, very much older than Mary and putting Mary's age as young as 12 ?? Just what I have been googling folks.. lots of conflicting opinions.