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maxwell silver 28-02-2007 11:26

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Could'nt believe this snippet from this mornings press.Over the next 2 years the government is to spend £56 million of tax payers money,developing new gyspsy sites & sprucing up existing ones.
Do you think your & mine hard earned taxes should be spent like this?How long before they'd be back to their original state?I would'nt mind too much but i don't think there are a lot of them who actually pay income tax.I think this government still sees the gypsy as some little old dear selling lucky heather & clothes pegs .

tadah 28-02-2007 11:30

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Disgusting! Dont like them and the way they behave, use the money to get rid of them.

jedimaster 28-02-2007 11:54

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totally agree with you tadah.

with the money they make and save by not paying tax they can afford to do it themselves!

grego 28-02-2007 12:27

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I dont agree with that at all, I know not all gypsies are trouble makers but they certainly have enough of their own money should they wish to spruce up their own sites.

tadah 28-02-2007 12:32

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Ive never had the good fortune to see a nice gypo sorry.

grego 28-02-2007 12:40

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I dont think me first post reads right what I meant was that I dont agree with the fact they are being given money to spruce up their sites.

tadah 28-02-2007 12:41

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Ah ok i took it wrong way pal sorry.

grannyclaret 28-02-2007 12:42

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I remember when we were on holiday at the cala gran,many years ago .We were having a drink at lunchtime in the i,c,i,club in Fleetwood ,when an irate farmer came in absolutely livid .the jypsies had got up at the crack of dawn and milked all his cows ,, it was hard not to laugh ,but it was his livlihood and he had to explain to customers ,that there was no milk for their breakfast ...

panther 28-02-2007 12:47

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these lot dont even pay council tax do they?:mad:
the cheek of it!!

grego 28-02-2007 12:53

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 390244)
these lot dont even pay council tax do they?:mad:
the cheek of it!!

Do they not pay anything? They should do, they get their bins emptied dont they?

entwisi 28-02-2007 12:55

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Originally Posted by grego (Post 390239)
I dont think me first post reads right what I meant was that I dont agree with the fact they are being given money to spruce up their sites.

So can you explain the difference when we spend a fortune on sprucing up terraces like has happened all over accy?

WillowTheWhisp 28-02-2007 12:56

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What an absolutely totally ludicrously insane idea! Unless of course they plan to start paying taxes like the rest of us. They will won't they? And gladly pay fees on the sites and income tax and never camp illegally or fly tip any more or make an ugly mess of the countryside.

grannyclaret 28-02-2007 12:56

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Originally Posted by grego (Post 390251)
Do they not pay anything? They should do, they get their bins emptied dont they?

I thought they just used gardens and fields for that :confused:

moonshiner 28-02-2007 12:57

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Not all travelling people are bad, some of my best mates are travellers,
so they dont pay tax, who on this site would pay it if they could avoid it
what alot of people dont like is the fact that they stick together and wont take crap from any one:Banane36:

tadah 28-02-2007 12:57

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At least the hoses in accy most contain people who pay tax. But with gypos they just dont give a toss about anything that isnt theres.

WillowTheWhisp 28-02-2007 12:57

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 390253)
So can you explain the difference when we spend a fortune on sprucing up terraces like has happened all over accy?

The occupants pay council tax for a starter and it looks nice for the rest of us who live here - will gyspy sites stay nice looking?

panther 28-02-2007 12:58

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lol yeh your right there granny, they dont own bins, just throw it anywhere or dump anywhere!

WillowTheWhisp 28-02-2007 12:59

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Originally Posted by moonshiner (Post 390256)
so they dont pay tax,

so they shouldn't benefit from it then should they?

tadah 28-02-2007 12:59

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Originally Posted by moonshiner (Post 390256)
Not all travelling people are bad, some of my best mates are travellers,
so they dont pay tax, who on this site would pay it if they could avoid it
what alot of people dont like is the fact that they stick together and wont take crap from any one:Banane36:

But they use that to intimidate and think sod it i can do whatever i want because nobody will do anything back because ive got a load of my sted head chums to back me up.

grego 28-02-2007 12:59

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 390253)
So can you explain the difference when we spend a fortune on sprucing up terraces like has happened all over accy?

The difference being they purposely seperate themselves from the rest of society, making no contribution, now if what Panther says is correct and they dont even pay council tax then I dont think they should be given anything.

grannyclaret 28-02-2007 12:59

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Originally Posted by moonshiner (Post 390256)
Not all travelling people are bad, some of my best mates are travellers,
so they dont pay tax, who on this site would pay it if they could avoid it
:Banane36:

i would for one

WillowTheWhisp 28-02-2007 13:01

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Spoke to a taxi driver who picked a traveller up somewhere and took him to the campsite. The guy then refused to pay the fare and his mates all gathered round, armed with dogs and lumps of scaffolding pole to see off the taxi driver. Oh yes they stick together OK.

grannyclaret 28-02-2007 13:03

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 390267)
Spoke to a taxi driver who picked a traveller up somewhere and took him to the campsite. The guy then refused to pay the fare and his mates all gathered round, armed with dogs and lumps of scaffolding pole to see off the taxi driver. Oh yes they stick together OK.

no wonder they put peoples backs up..

grego 28-02-2007 13:05

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I know they can be very intimidating in groups, thats one of the reasons people stopped going to pubs in Accy.

WillowTheWhisp 28-02-2007 13:05

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The ones who camped on Aldi car park got my back up with the filth they dumped and using the supermarket wall as a loo.

tadah 28-02-2007 13:06

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 390267)
Spoke to a taxi driver who picked a traveller up somewhere and took him to the campsite. The guy then refused to pay the fare and his mates all gathered round, armed with dogs and lumps of scaffolding pole to see off the taxi driver. Oh yes they stick together OK.

I would have run the little sh*t over. He desevers it.

grego 28-02-2007 13:07

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Dont remember that Willow, was it recent?

chav1 28-02-2007 13:08

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Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 390253)
So can you explain the difference when we spend a fortune on sprucing up terraces like has happened all over accy?


i think thats wrong as well

if you cant afford to maintain your own home then dont buy one , sory but i dont agree that house owners should get tax payers money to improve their house and add value which makes them money

areas of blackburn road have been renovated twice because the first time they got teh grants they didnt look after them and let the buildings run down agian

as for the gypos

screw them they make enough money and if the 14 year olds can afford to drive new transit vans they must have plenty of money

just off charter street there is a ruined childrens play area where for teh past few months some travelers have been living and you shoudl see teh crap thats been left behind

ps:

dear councilor can you please get that crap shifted beofre the poor sods near it get infested with rats

WillowTheWhisp 28-02-2007 13:11

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Originally Posted by grego (Post 390277)
Dont remember that Willow, was it recent?

The conversation was recent but I don't know how long ago the event was, sorry.

Ianto.W. 28-02-2007 13:32

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Why not take these sites out of local government s hands and privatise them like they have with council houses, any takers Hyndburn Homes?

moonshiner 28-02-2007 13:37

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It seems alot of folk are blaming travellers for what tinkers are doing.
tinkers are not travellers they are the one,s that are leaveing all thecrap around the place the bloke who owns wests carpets is a traveller :Banane30:

jedimaster 28-02-2007 13:44

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not really we're blaming the ones who travel or stay put on government funded sites (sorry taxpayer funded) who make no contribution to the system yet take everything they can get leave the place (wherever it may be) in a pigsty and have absolutely no regard for the hardworking people that are paying for them to have such a life.

jimmi5bellies 28-02-2007 13:55

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Originally Posted by grego (Post 390251)
Do they not pay anything? They should do, they get their bins emptied dont they?

No need .... they live opposite the tip ! :D

slinky 28-02-2007 14:06

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 390267)
Spoke to a taxi driver who picked a traveller up somewhere and took him to the campsite. The guy then refused to pay the fare and his mates all gathered round, armed with dogs and lumps of scaffolding pole to see off the taxi driver. Oh yes they stick together OK.

You would be surprised how many times that happens willow. It's happened to my hubby. They think they can do what they like, when they like. I know quite a few taxi drivers that won't pick any gypsy's up, and quite frankly I don't blame them. 9 out of 10 times you are faced with abuse or none payment of taxi's.:mad:

lettie 28-02-2007 15:19

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So they pay neither taxes nor taxis....:D ;)

I don't think that this should be done at taxpayer's expense. I remember what a mess Aldi was left in, I think it was nearly 2 years ago but may have been longer. Rubbish all over the car park which some poor beggar then had to clean up:(

WillowTheWhisp 28-02-2007 18:26

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Originally Posted by moonshiner (Post 390287)
It seems alot of folk are blaming travellers for what tinkers are doing.
tinkers are not travellers they are the one,s that are leaveing all thecrap around the place the bloke who owns wests carpets is a traveller :Banane30:

Obviously we are not talking about people like the owners of Wests.

We've got a caravan and we spend weeks on end in it during the school summer holidays. We like to travel too - that doesn't mean we are the sort of 'travellers' we are complaining about. Last Easter a family came to the site we were staying at on a farm - they helped themselves to chicken wire to make a fence to keep their dog in. They left rubbish outside their caravan in bin bags (everyone else took theirs to the collecting area.) They even helped themselves to our step one day when we were out and made a barbeque on it!

Then one night we had the police up because she was screaming that he was murdering her with a knife and she was trying to climb out of the window and he was dragging her back inside. The police carted him off but next morning she was begging for somebody to bring him back!

They'd booked to stay on the site for a week but the bit where they stayed ended up a right mess and they were turfed off before the end of the week.

cashman 28-02-2007 22:45

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sorry i agree with moonshiner, theres good and bad in them, used to drink in the royal up ossy when i was young and 2 of the families from the site behind the palladium were always in fri-sun nights from daughters to grandmothers, they were lovely people and a few times booked and paid for a taxi to take a very drunken cashy back to accy. for me some folk have tunnel vision and only see or are aware of the scumbags.:rolleyes:

jedimaster 28-02-2007 22:55

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i'm not saying there aren't any cashy i'm saying i've yet to meet a decent honourable taxpaying one

WillowTheWhisp 01-03-2007 08:21

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Like Jedi I haven't come across any good ones yet either. When that family came on the caravan site last year some people were going "Oh no, gypos" and "Nail down your valuables" and I was thinking how awful they were to be like that and that the travellers had as much right to be there as anyone else who paid for it. But then they started causing trouble and making a mess and helping themselves to other people's things so they kind of fulfilled people's expectations.

If all they did was live in caravans and travel around and respect the countryside and other people's property, stay on designated sites and not abuse supermarket car parks or steal land from farmers and then claim it as their own then fair enough - live and let live. But for the people who ride roughshod over other people and leave a disgusting mess behind for someone else to have to deal with then those are the people I have no respect for.

maxwell silver 01-03-2007 08:43

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I was in a boozer a while back & all the women where in with their kids.The kids were running riot in the pub,running around,lifting drinks,cadging money,jumping infront of the TV....there must have been around ten or so.When one bloke complained,as the landlord did'nt seem bothered,one of the mothers:rolleyes: called him a paedo and to *****n drink somewhere else:eek: Iremember thinking,in ten years or so these kids are going to be dangerous.It seems when they go anywhere en masse they can do as they please ..

garinda 01-03-2007 08:48

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There's good and bad, just the same as everyone else.

There are a few Gypsy families in Ossy that have been here at least forty odd years that I know. I went to primary school with some of them, and they were a lovely family, and very much part of the wider community.

WillowTheWhisp 01-03-2007 09:02

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Do they live permanently on a site there or do they travel about?

There was a gyspy family when I was a girl who gave up travelling and bought a house in Water Street when I used to live in Sultan Street. They were just like everybody else too, normal, clean tidy respectable family.

WillowTheWhisp 01-03-2007 09:05

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Originally Posted by chav1 (Post 390278)

areas of blackburn road have been renovated twice because the first time they got teh grants they didnt look after them and let the buildings run down agian


Where are those Chav? I thought that area was either Phoenix or nothing.

janet 01-03-2007 09:39

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Well people you know what it is, the less you do the more you get.

garinda 01-03-2007 09:39

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 390629)
Do they live permanently on a site there or do they travel about?

There was a gyspy family when I was a girl who gave up travelling and bought a house in Water Street when I used to live in Sultan Street. They were just like everybody else too, normal, clean tidy respectable family.

They live here permanently in caravans...which is a bit funny I suppose, as the whole point of a caravan is that it can move about.:D

cashman 01-03-2007 10:19

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the people rindy is refering to are the same families i am on about.

WillowTheWhisp 01-03-2007 10:38

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They are obviously not the same kind of people we've been grumbling about then and probably wouldn't want to be classed as the same.

My friend's grandfather lives on a permanent caravan site. A lot of people do, and they look after the area and they are respectable people. It's not the same.

Sorry if anything I have said in this thread has offended anyone. I did not intend to do so. I just don't like people who make a mess of other people's facilities (car parks, land or whatever) and then just clear off and leave it for others to clean up.

grannyclaret 01-03-2007 11:01

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 390652)

I just don't like people who make a mess of other people's facilities (car parks, land or whatever) and then just clear off and leave it for others to clean up.

Me too Willow....

Ianto.W. 01-03-2007 12:02

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The solution to this in my opinion, is to allocate and sell or lease the land to the Travellers and let them regulate it themslves, as they do in Moscow Mill St. This way it would be hopefully kept clean and tidy. I am quite sure the Travelling Community know who the 'bad apples' are and would soon turn them away, the only stumbling block to this idea is where? NIMBY.

WillowTheWhisp 01-03-2007 13:17

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If there already are site (such as Whinney Hill) then that solves the problem - apart from those not welcome on the sites by the decent folks who would still end up on Aldi car park.


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