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I Believe the government are attempting to cut the level of alcohol a driver can have in his blood by half whilst driving, it may be being tagged on when they apply to allow random breath testing by the police.
So all the hard working people who like to have a decent drink of an evening will be over the limit the following morning.
This will make no difference to the hard core of T*****s that insist on driving whilst drunk
When will the government learn! :(:(

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Good it is about time they started random testing. I don't see what is wrong with lowering the limit if it has been proven that the current level of blood alcohol affects drivers adversely.

As far as the morning after - if that level of alcohol affects your driving just after drinking it then the same level must as well the day after.

If you need to drive in the morning don't drink too much in the evening before.

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They should lower the limit to ZERO !!

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I think if you want to have a drink that's fine, but you should NOT be allowed to drive at all. To many accidents happen even with a low level of alcohol in your bloodstream. Alcohol goes straight to my head after half a lager, so it would be very irresponsible of me to drive any vehicle.

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i agree if you want to have a drink don't drive

simple as

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The limit should be zero. If you're going to have a drink, then use a taxi to take you home. It's cheaper than the fine for drink driving.

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I asked a copper why the limit is not set at zero so that everybody knew where they stood. He said its because some food ingredients and meals can contain alchohol and the driver may not be aware of what hes eaten.
Remember also that mouthwash etc also contains alchohol as do some vinegars.

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mints show up on a breathalizer as alchol , i know this coz i was breatalized after an accident and it lit up that i had some alchol in my breath when i hadnt had a drop for days , the police man asked if i had eaten mints recently and i showed him my nicorette gum and he said ahh that explains it

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Fair do's take into the minute consideration of those factors but the blatent drink shouldnt be even 1 !! Thats what taxi's are for if u want to drink!

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no taxis are for if you want to get drunk

1 pint a drunk does not make

plenty of people have got in my car after i have had 1 pint and so far no ones dead because of it, if i thought for one second 1 pint made me a dangerous driver i wouldnt do it

it will be intersting to see who slams me for having 1 pint and driving because there are quite a few peopel on this site alone that have not had a problem with me having 1 pint and driving them to the next pub

if i go out as the designated driver i have 1 pint of larger and the rest of the night on j20 or if i decide to have more i leave the car at the pub

if i go out for a pub lunch i have a meal and 1 pint but if i am not sure of how strong a beer is like stella i will only have a half

is there an election brewing any time soon because this old chesnut seems to pop up to distract people from the real issues and failings of a govenment near voting times

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before anyone plays the my friend was killed by a drunk driver card please remember that driver was probably over the limit , if he was found to be within the limit he wa a careless/wreckless driver not a drunk driver

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I'll vouch for you on them Chav. Theres been a few times when i've served you J20 because you were driving.

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to be fair most people make their judgments on how 1 pint effects them , if 1 pint effects you so badly that you think your judgment is impared so severly then you shouldnt be drinking regardless of if you are driving or not :rolleyes:

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I belive that one pint makes a difference in some people, it all depends on body mass, weight and how often they drink, ie a 6ft 7" rugby player could probably have a few pints and not even be effected while a skinny model of 5ft would be half cut, so i do think the drink drive limit should be zero as it effects different people in different ways... there are no ifs or buts to that its facts.

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I am against drink driving but random breath testing is just another step towards a police state. At least now the police have to suspect a breach of the Road Traffic Act before they can stop a motorist and even then they can’t just breathalise you. The cop has to have reasonable suspicion that you have been consuming alcohol.

In Europe the limit is 50mg so as this government is hell bent on us being part of the EU then 50mg sounds about right to me. Not that I particularly want to be part of Europe but you have to go with the flow.

Is it known that the law has been changed to allow breath samples taken at the roadside to be used as evidence in court rather than requiring officers to take further samples back at the police station? But this power cannot be used until a suitable roadside testing device has been approved by the Home Office.

That is more worrying than random breath tests.

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The thing that infuriorates me over here are the people who have been arrested for drunk driving many, many times and they're still allowed, or choose on their own, to continue drink and drive.

I've lost so many friends to drunk driving. Cindy's oldest brother was killed by a drunk driver when he was just 16. I'm sure the numbers are down greatly since the 1960s but 10s of thousands are still being killed or maim because of this.

Brian

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I have no problem with the random breath test, but the lowering of the level dose bother me, and should bother lots of others how many times do you have a night out but have to work in the morning. People who work long or stupid houres still need a life.:(

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At the expense of somebody elses life you will take if you are still under the influence ?

If alchohol is so important I would forget the drink drive limits and contact Alchoholics Anonymous :rolleyes:

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Not normally on the web at this time having a couple of days of. In reply to your quote!!
Not a lot I can say in reply without the message being deleted:( but words like sanctimonious spring to mind, there are words that would follow, but well I couldn’t possibly repeat them;). But one believes you get the general gist!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Hardly think I'm sanctimonious on this issue, quite simply I don't drink and drive.

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Neither do I NOW!.. Not sure weather you just don’t get the point im making or you just don’t give a tuppeny. DRINK DRIVING IS WRONG ……….But don’t confuse things PLEASE..I don’t want to get on my soapbox but if one must ONE WILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

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EASY DONT DRINK & DRIVE!!!!:D

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EASIER GET RID OF THE CAR:D

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I think your'e the one getting confused. If you don't drink and drive why are you bothered about any law that reduces the amount of alchohol in the blood while driving :confused:

Feel free to climb on the soapbox :)

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Hello!! I would just like to offer my soapbox:D It's still warm having been used recently. But feel free to use it :D:D

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Heres something he can stand on:D

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well they are different sizes. If he is only a little man he is better off with yours as it's taller. :D:D

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Stuff the soap box I know what I mean so do the majority of the working population

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whats working got to do with it if you have had a drink the night before u should walk or get a lift. Even so soon enployers will have the power to breath test ie driving fork lifts ect

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I will just quote myself on this subject.

It does not matter how long it is since you had a drink. If you are over the limit its not safe to drive. Thats why there is a limit and why people get done the morning after.

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crabby isnt saying its ok to drink drive his complaint is that they are going to reduce the legal limit which is fine as it is and dosnt need changing.The threads been diverted by the im holyier than though brigade to make it look like anyone who drives after a pint is a drunk driver which is not the case

i took my car out last night , i got very drunk , i got a taxi home ,if i had have only had 1 pint i would have driven my car home because not only would i have been sober but i would have been legaly entitled to do so

if you think 1 pint is too much to drink then what else would you like to see stopped after 1 pint.

should we ban crossing a road after drinking a pint because according to you a person isnt in control of themselves after 1 pint , should it be illigal to have sex with somone who has drank 1 pint because they dont know what they are doing because of teh high level of alchol in 1 pint ?

not so long ago the legal level was 2 pints which if i am honest is hitting dodgy ground for some people who cant handle alchol but they did a lot tests and research which showed that 1 pint is ok so no matter how right you think you are there is a lot of research by people who actualy know what they are talking about that shows you are wrong

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I know what you mean Crabby,if i have 2 pints at the pub at 6pm,then walk home,but drive to work at 6am,there could be a minute amount of alcohol in my system-does that make me a criminal?Surely some of you who go to the meets have cars,does that mean you dont drive for two days?

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It takes 24hrs from the last drink for alcohol to clear your system

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According to the RAC -
Over 1 in 3 strongly agreed that the legal drink-drive limit should be reduced to ‘no alcohol at all’

They must not have asked the working population :)

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How very dare you insinuate that we drink alcohol when we go to the meet. :( Alcohol is very wrong and makes you say and do silly things.:D

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Earlier in the thread somebody said they wouldn't drink after half a lager because they didn't think they would be fit enough.

I don't even recall anywhere in this thread saying I'm right or wrong, merely expressing an opinion that I think it should be zero limit.

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Where does it stop tho thats the trouble with this country, its no drink & drive policy but u are allowed to have a pint or 2:confused: thats like saying for the future no smoking ban that you're ok to have half a fag before u is fined:confused:, if its a no go then its a no go end of.

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you have a valid point because when i go to collect my car the other people who left their cars have already taken theirs way before ive even got out of bed probably .

half teh peopel who are disagreeing with you dont drive and the ones that do drive i will bet my last pound that they drive the day after a meet or other night out

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who was that then?

thats their choice if they now they have a low tollerance to alchol then they did teh right thing but just because 1 person has a low tollerance it dosnt mean everyone else has

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i assume you meant drive after half a larger ?

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Providing you have a healthy liver, it will take one hour for your liver to remove one unit of alcohol. So if you drink heavily in the evening you may still be over the legal drink drive limit the following morning.

Suppose it depends how Much you have Drunk.

but 24 Hours, must be a binge session.:D

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Im just going off medical advice they say 24hrs to completely leave the system:rolleyes:

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Isn't that the biggest problem though, people not knowing their limits. The limit set for legal reasons is not that scientific because people have different tolerance levels. It's more of a well know fact that drink gives people confidence and bravado, they then believe they are fit to drive when they actually aren't. Some people drink to the legal limit rather than the common sense limit :confused:

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you see the topics getting shifted again , the orgional point is that 1 pint does not make you a drunk driver but poeple insist on bringing up a heavy nights drinking and other factors regarding a lot of alchol consumtion and everyone knows that drunk driving is bad but not one person against the 1 pint limit has yet to provide any evidence or half decent proof what so ever that 1 pint makes you unfit to be in control of a car

they cant prove their point so they argue a totaly different one so please when replying to this post for the love of god prove your point that you are not ok to drive after 1 pint because the govenment spent millions reseaching the effects of alchol on a lot of various people of all ages and sex and came to teh conclusion that 1 pint is ok.

just because you disagree it dosnt make you right - research and testing does :rolleyes:

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A zero limit wouldn’t be practical lancsdave as someone has already pointed out that certain products contain a small amount of alcohol.

A lower amount equating to one pint of normal beer would be about right.

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The original point never mentioned 1 pint, you dragged that one in to it :D

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I would accept that as a valid point if somebody comes back with a list of products that you can consume in the time it takes to drink a pint and still contain the same level of alchohol :)

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cant you read ?

now with the legal level been 1 pint i would say that is exactly what this thread was about and the reduction of the 1 pint limit , i highly doubt crabby was saying its ok to get smashed out of your face and drive a car

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Wasnt the 1st post more in relation to the morning after?:rolleyes:

Taking the consideration that some people could feel fine, be fine but there blood level might put them over the limit as the goverment are attempting to lower this allowance.

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There has to be a line drawn somewhere to take into account inadvertent consumption of alcohol in normal everyday products and medicines. Someone mentioned earlier about one brand of mints, I think it was, that can fool the breathaliser into thinking that the fumes are alcoholic. What about a domestic sherry trifle? People cook with wine and brandy as well as beer. There is no label to read on those.

So levelling it at around one pint’s worth of normal beer does just that. It isn’t about how much can be consumed in the same time that it takes to swallow a pint of beer. It’s about the alcoholic content of a normal pint of beer. I have seen people take two hours over one pint. I’ve even done it myself on occasions.

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Exactly, that's why you could not have a zero limit. They would have to be very careful setting a very low limit. I would hope they are deciding to lower the limit by research and testing on people of the effects of the current limit.
As far as knowing your own limit - that is ok but too many people must think their own limit is 3 or 4 pints.

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ok lets try this

if you go out friday night and have 1 pint and get breathalized saturday morning you will show up as legaly fit to drive under teh current laws and rightfully so but if they reduce the allowed limit and repeat the same procedure you could find yourself with a driving ban which is ludricous and will effect a lot of people

if i go out for an indian meal at a resturant i dont want to have to sip coke with my madrass i want a pint of lager and i certainly dont want to use a taxi as i like to eat out of town a lot and i have a car which i will use for as long as the law allows it

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and them people are idiots :D

i feel like i must point out that i am not for drunk driving i am merely argueing the case that the current level allowed is fine as it is

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Yes I can read and it still doesn't mention in that first post anything about 1 pint. I didn't know the legal limit was measured in pints, in fact I couldn't even tell you what the legal limit is.

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itss actualy measure in units but the general guide used by people is pints

although i wouldnt drive after 1 pint of vodka ;)


if you ask somone whats teh legal limit most peopel will reply with 1 pint but the smart arses in the world willreply with units lol

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Even under the new proposed limit, you should still be ok as it would of left your system by then.

IMO, Its more pointed at those that go out and binge, or drink till late in the morning, then think that they are ok to drive in the morning after a nights sleep.

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altering the law wont stop them people though , teh only peopel that will effect are the decent sensible people who have 1 pint and go onto orange juice etc

if they change the law further it will prevent these decent people from having even 1 pint with their meal as they will be over the limit when they leave the pub or resturant

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I now see your point and the relation to the one pint.

The Law
You MUST NOT drive with a breath alcohol level higher than 35mg/100ml or a blood alcohol level of more than 80mg/100ml

So a blood reading halfed would be 40mg/100ml

After 2 units 1 pint of beer 50mg (Approx)/100ml)

Suppose its all down to individuallaty, I know One Pint (being someone who doesnt drink much) would effect my driving, therfore I stand by dont drink anything and drive.

But I also agree with someone who drinks regular with a meal should be able to enjoy a pint.

IMO the new proposed rulling is maybe a bit overkill. As already said it wont stop those who know they drink and drive.

Where did the origonal information come from?

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While there are those who defend the current system, and those who don't, it's clear there are still a lot of people who can't adhere/know/guess/be responsible about it.

Drink-drive deaths are at their highest level since 1992.

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what ever u want 2 say this is the truth dont drink & drive but u can av a bit!! were's the sence of it, no arguing this way its easy dont drink, FULL STOP!!

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Cant beleive how pathetic some of u are for condoning drinking EVEN ONE pint & driving - just hope to god & pray that u dont cause an accident or fatalities to innocent people!!!!! I think the law should go to zero & allow for medicines as long as that states u are fine to drive, cos in meantime your playing with lives including your own.


What one pint might do to one & yet to another isnt in question the law has to set a clear boundary for everyone!!

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i wounder if the guy that hit me before xmas had a drink????

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OUCH!! that's got to hurt Maccy....

Did they catch who did it?

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No they havent slinky he's had a hard battle to get cops to do owt about it!!

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no! acording 2 1 of the 4 taix drivers that were there wen i woke i fell!:rolleyes:

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Not surprised that they are still allowed on the roads LYY; when I was over there went to the annual Cantalope Festival .. great day, however, being a small town, all the population attended. There being no local buses as such, and definitely no taxis available as here, everyone drove to the site in their 4 x 4's and drank til they were '****ed as newts'. When the event was ending and a mass exodus occurring, the police actually just guided the traffic out of the parking field into the main highway.

I couldn't believe it, as they must have known the drivers were over the limit badly .. certainly some of the people I was working with were .. one colleague had had at least 10 beers !!

It's true re. knowing your own limits I suppose. I am now drinking one small glass of white wine .. just 12% crap .. but after a heavy week has really gone to my head and no way could I get into a car now and drive anywhere as brain cells already in fifth gear, but would probably 'pass' the breathalyser test.

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The only problem i see is 'one pint of normal beer'. What is normal beer? A pint of bitter, pint of fosters, pint of stella, pint of kronenberg, pint of john smiths? What is the normal pint of beer?

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I can see both sides of this argument. Ginger won't have half a larger if he is driving, but that is his personal choice. Other choose and will probably be fine to drink 1 pint of lager. It's knowing yourself and being sensible. Someone that would know they would have effects off 1 pint of lager should be sensible enough to not even have that one pint.

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Funny arguement is that what u see yourself & others see u is more than likely 2 seperate things ie, one night out i felt i come home relatively sober yet tinks says i was drunk obviously lol, & same has happened other way round tinks felt soberer & i thought she was ratted LOL ok no driving involved but was our perceptions!! Our perceptions do change even on small amount of alcofrol, so u cant judge yourself despite how u might feel cos to others it'll be different - hence none is the safest assured way!

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I'm not sure that changing the legal limit will make much difference, personally if I'm driving I might have half of weak lager not my usual Stella/Worsteiner, usually I dont bother because then I'll be miffed that I'm driving. I too was of the understanding that 1 hour per unit to get rid of the alcohol in your system.