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garinda 01-03-2007 19:06

You've got to be joking...right?
 
In response to something raised in another thread, in which someone was chastised for admitting to finding a joke about a disability funny, what, if anything should be off limits when it comes to jokes?

For centuries we Brits have paid people to entertain us, and make our sometimes dreary lives a little brighter.

From Sheridan’s Mrs. Malaprop to Caroline Ahern’s Mrs. Merton, our comedians and playwrights have taken the micky out of life’s vagaries. From the uneducated in the case of Mrs Malaprop, to batty old ladies as portrayed by Ms. Ahern.

The period post the second World War was a period when comedians made jokes about everything, from their ugly mother-in-law to the darkies living next door.

With the rise of political correctness in the 1980’s, the days of the old school comedians seemed to be numbered. People like Jimmy Tarbuck and co. were dropped from the television schedules quicker than a hot brick, to be replaced by the men in shiny suits like Ben Elton.

In the last ten years there has been a move away from comedy that might be deemed politically correct. We can now see on the box queer performers telling jokes about gay life, black women making fun of their husband’s, even...gasp, white middle class men making jokes about how ugly the girl they picked up last night was, when they had their beer goggles on.

People since the dawn of language have made jokes about the things that make them nervous, embarrassed, or just at a loss for words to express themselves any other way, except through making light of it. Just think how many hours after a terrible tragedy do jokes about it start to circulate? Is it wrong to wince a laugh, does it demean the victims?

So, what do you think should be off target when it comes to making a joke, or is it anything goes, if it makes someone smile?

Gayle 01-03-2007 19:13

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Humour's a really tricky thing - it depends partly on the teller and partly on the audience.

That's partly why I sometimes come across as humourless on here because I know that some jokes that I tell can come across the wrong way to someone (you know who you are) which can in turn get me in deep water. So, easiest thing is to refrain just in case!

Margaret Pilkington 01-03-2007 19:16

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being a retired Nurse means that I find the blackest of humour funny......I can't help it......sometimes I was hurled by my job into such tragedy that humour was the only way of coping.

garinda 01-03-2007 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 390955)
being a retired Nurse means that I find the blackest of humour funny......I can't help it......sometimes I was hurled by my job into such tragedy that humour was the only way of coping.

That's a good example. I'm sure sometimes in various careers besides nursing, that if you didn't sometimes laugh you'd cry. It's a human release system for our emotions.

I also agree with Gayle, it does depend on the context where a joke or humour is used.

Margaret Pilkington 01-03-2007 19:23

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I am not particularly keen on bad language.....the effing and jeffing definitely does not appeal to me...but we had one consultant who could say almost anything to me and I would not find it (or him) offensive...and I have to say that I didn't have any kind of affection for this man.

Gayle 01-03-2007 19:25

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I know someone who tells the most awful politically incorrect jokes and they officially offend me but they also make me laugh.

Margaret Pilkington 01-03-2007 19:31

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do you mean that 'Officially' you feel you should be offended?
I think you laugh if you find something amusing..politically incorrect or not.

LancYorkYankee 01-03-2007 19:32

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Great question Garinda! I like alot of varied humor, even that which others may find tasteless or not understood. Lots of Americans, especially women, don't "get" Monty Python. I've always found them hilarious. I know some, myself included to be honest, took some offense to the "Life of Brian." But putting it "off target?" Not at all.

Benny Hill, I had more of a problem understanding his stuff. I don't like the really vulgar comics of today. They do quite offend me so I choose not to watch or listen to them. But again "off target?" I guess I'd just say I wish people wouldn't support them.

People have made fun of my disabilities, my race, my religious beliefs, my nationality, my heritage, etc. I wouldn't put any of these things off limit. Alot depends on the person making the joke and how the joke is presented. I guess I'm most sensitive to jokes about . . .

Wait a minute! I aint telling the likes of you blokes:p . Then I'd be non-stop joked off the face of Accyweb!

Brian

SPUGGIE J 01-03-2007 20:22

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If a joke is taken the way its meant then there is no offence. Its when its meant as a way of extracting the urine then no it isnt ok and is offensive.

Without humour the world is a sadder place but people must understand that not everyone is humoured the same way as use as Brian pointed out.

Ianto.W. 01-03-2007 20:32

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Jokes are all about timing, but if you have not got a sense of humour you have no place on a forum like Accyweb in my opinion, see I have qualified the answer and humour must be applied in a similar fashion. By the same rule 'bigots' have no place here either, being a relatively new member to the site these are my observations, also allowances must be made for 'smart A' new members as I was myself and maybe in some of your opinions am yet. Just remember my 'esteemed' members your a long time dead.

Gayle 01-03-2007 20:38

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Sometimes people join the site and take offence at things that are said to them or that are said to others, because they don't have the context that the comments are said in. It also works the other way some times when people join and start posting it sometimes takes a while for the old school to tune into the newbies humour.

Ianto.W. 01-03-2007 20:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 391018)
Sometimes people join the site and take offence at things that are said to them or that are said to others, because they don't have the context that the comments are said in. It also works the other way some times when people join and start posting it sometimes takes a while for the old school to tune into the newbies humour.

How long will it take me to be as old as you on Accyweb Gayle.:D

Gayle 01-03-2007 20:44

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Me, I'm just a spring chicken - I still don't get it all yet. :D

Ianto.W. 01-03-2007 20:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 391023)
Me, I'm just a spring chicken - I still don't get it all yet. :D

Good on you Gale, I'm sticking the white flag up now sorry if I have offended you.:D

Gayle 01-03-2007 20:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 391026)
Good on you Gale, I'm sticking the white flag up now sorry if I have offended you.:D

You'd be surprised how hard it is to offend me. :D Yet I seem to cause offence to some people on an almost daily basis. ;)

Tinkerbelle 01-03-2007 20:52

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I've yet to find something that offends me. I find most things funny - bad taste or not.

In the context of the forum, I suppose it just mirrors everyday social interaction. Not everybody gets along and some people are more 'sensitive' than others. Some people are quiet about their disapproval of comments or jokes that are in bad taste, others throw a massive hissy fit.

grego 01-03-2007 22:01

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I think sometimes it depends what mood your in as to whether you find a joke funny or not, I've got quite a sick sense of humour and will laugh at most things the more "un pc" the better.
Being exposed to horrible and often sad situations at work you have to find some humour or you'd be constantly on a downer.

WillowTheWhisp 01-03-2007 22:17

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Some of the non PC humour was never intended to be offensive. Characters like the Jack Smethurst one in 'Love Thy Neighbour' cause people to laugh at his bigotry not to laugh at the person he is saying things about.

I think we need to be able to laugh at ourselves. That's not the same as someone being downright offensive and not even mildly funny.

I suppose a lot of it is in the eye of the beholder. I've been on the receiving end of some very funny Irish jokes/Mormon jokes/women jokes etc and if they are funny then they just make me laugh.

garinda 01-03-2007 22:44

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I can never remember jokes, and just rely on my wits to be wildly amusing.:D

However, the only two jokes I can recall off the top of my head are ones I could tell my mother. One involves a pram, and the other relates to the earthquake in Pakistan. If you were being analytical about them, one would be seen as a joke about child abuse, and the other would be racist. Both totally unfunny subjects, yet both jokes raised a groaned chuckle when told to me.

Funny old world.

lancsdave 01-03-2007 22:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 391028)
Yet I seem to cause offence to some people on an almost daily basis. ;)


So what do you do on your days off ? :D

grannyclaret 01-03-2007 22:58

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I find most things funny ,and love a good commedian, but i cant stand blue humour,,i find the funniest comedians are the ones who are just act themselves,,i.e
Peter Kay
Tommy Cooper
Morcambe and Wise
Laurel and Hardy

slinky 01-03-2007 22:59

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I come off a family full of sick wacko's - so I myself am one lol. That and the job I do makes me a fully fledged sicko.:D oh and being married to ginger, cos he has the most warped sense of humour I have ever seen.

cashman 01-03-2007 23:03

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i definatly have a very warped sense of humour,can laugh at virtually anything,to those with no sense of humour at all i say Get A Life.;)

LancYorkYankee 02-03-2007 02:55

Re: You've got to be joking...right?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 391017)
Jokes are all about timing, but if you have not got a sense of humour you have no place on a forum like Accyweb in my opinion, see I have qualified the answer and humour must be applied in a similar fashion. By the same rule 'bigots' have no place here either, being a relatively new member to the site these are my observations, also allowances must be made for 'smart A' new members as I was myself and maybe in some of your opinions am yet. Just remember my 'esteemed' members your a long time dead.

Aye my friend Ian, you were quite the ticket in your early days. Boy you could get all our danders up! I'm very glad that you have stuck with Accyweb as I've enjoyed getting to know you, quirks and all (hmm, are those my quirks or yours? chin chin:p )

Now, if you don't mind, what's your last statement mean?

Brian

LancYorkYankee 02-03-2007 02:56

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Spuggie J, interesting phrse unknown to me: "as a way of extracting the urine." I'd like to use it but want to make sure I understand it!:D

Brian

steeljack 02-03-2007 05:32

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ok I know its kind of tasteless/ sick but for some reason I find the idea of Prof Stephen Hawking going on a zero gravity flight slightly bizarre/amusing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6409597.stm

apologies in advance,

lettie 02-03-2007 10:38

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Pretty much anything goes with me.. I have a totally sick sense of humour which, like Grego is a side effect of working in tragic situations. Most clinical staff in the NHS, docs, nurses, midwives etc have the ability to laugh at tragedy because if we didn't, we'd cry. I have also found that ambulance personnel, firemen and police officers have a similar sort of humour.

As far as I'm concerned, the more politically incorrect the joke, the better it is.... but ultimately, it's how you tell em..:D

WillowTheWhisp 02-03-2007 10:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 391197)
ok I know its kind of tasteless/ sick but for some reason I find the idea of Prof Stephen Hawking going on a zero gravity flight slightly bizarre/amusing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6409597.stm

apologies in advance,


It sounds more like a fairground ride than a flight. 25 seconds of zero gravity? You can experience that at Blackpool. :D

Ianto.W. 02-03-2007 12:09

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LancsYorksYankee. Now, if you don't mind, what's your last statement mean?
Do not take life to seriously it is only a short time enjoy what little time you have.
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Quote:

Spuggie J, interesting phrse unknown to me: "as a way of extracting the urine." I'd like to use it but want to make sure I understand it!
Now Brian are you sure you are not taking the?:D

garinda 05-11-2008 23:39

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Just reading through this old thread.

Some interesting points, especially with the recent furor about what is, and what isn't funny.

(I hope you don't mind me resurrecting it Bernie. R.I.P. Ian.)


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