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garinda 05-03-2007 23:02

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 393281)
I don't think it was right to single out Asian women specifically but I do think all immigrants should be encouraged to learn the language. It would surely be better for them and for everyone else.

Yes they should, but this is not encouraged because people are too afraid to say it. Instead we continue to print offical forms, and offer translation services, which is both divisive, as well as patronising to the people who have made an effort to learn the language of the country in which they live.

cherokee 06-03-2007 00:11

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I agree with willow ,asian women shouldnt be singled out here.. But yes being able to speak at least enough of the enlish language to get them by should be part of the visa settlement, but on the other hand there are so many of our own younger generation that cant speak it so how can that be an example to imigrants etc

Bazf 06-03-2007 12:46

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Jack Straw is asking all Asian women to speak english? does he realise how many countries are in Asia? I know about 20 women from Hong kong and they speak better english then he does. Maybe he was taking about women from another part of Asia, but in fact was stereotyping them all in to the same bracket. People actually vote for idiots, I am amazed how uneducated some politicians are.

lancsdave 06-03-2007 13:06

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Originally Posted by Bazf (Post 393494)
Jack Straw is asking all Asian women to speak english? does he realise how many countries are in Asia? I know about 20 women from Hong kong and they speak better english then he does. Maybe he was taking about women from another part of Asia, but in fact was stereotyping them all in to the same bracket. People actually vote for idiots, I am amazed how uneducated some politicians are.

He is asking them to speak English to get a settlement visa so presumably he means in the UK. As far as I know Tony Blair is only in charge of the UK, George Bush is in charge of the rest of the world :)

tadah 06-03-2007 13:15

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Its a pain in the ass when you have a delivery for someone with an asian name and they cant even understand "just sign at the botoom please in the big box".

Bazf 06-03-2007 14:18

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 393506)
He is asking them to speak English to get a settlement visa so presumably he means in the UK. As far as I know Tony Blair is only in charge of the UK, George Bush is in charge of the rest of the world :)

:confused: :confused: :confused:
What has that got to do with anything?

garinda 06-03-2007 14:22

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Originally Posted by Bazf (Post 393494)
I know about 20 women from Hong kong and they speak better english then he does.

Bless him he's an Essex lad, we shouldn't really hold that against him.:D

lancsdave 06-03-2007 14:30

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Originally Posted by Bazf (Post 393541)
:confused: :confused: :confused:
What has that got to do with anything?

Because this makes it look like he is asking all the women in Asia to speak English :)

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Jack Straw is asking all Asian women to speak english? does he realise how many countries are in Asia?

Lampman 06-03-2007 14:48

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Personally,I find the fact that people from the Indian sub-continent are unable to speak English a surprise.After all we did have a presence there for a couple of hundred years.
One reason may be that the immigrants may be largely uneducated in any way.This was explained to me once by a Newsagent,who thought that the influx of so called village dwellers was the problem.These people had received little education in their own countries so struggled once they came here;
before the PC brigade get on my case the Newsagent in question was himself from India.

garinda 06-03-2007 15:06

Re: Asian women and the English language.
 
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Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 393558)
Personally,I find the fact that people from the Indian sub-continent are unable to speak English a surprise.After all we did have a presence there for a couple of hundred years.
One reason may be that the immigrants may be largely uneducated in any way.This was explained to me once by a Newsagent,who thought that the influx of so called village dwellers was the problem.These people had received little education in their own countries so struggled once they came here;
before the PC brigade get on my case the Newsagent in question was himself from India.


I was actually pondering the same thought last night in bed. I've known Asians were the women don't live so segregated a life, and therefore don't have problems accessing education. Perhaps it's because a lot of the people that came/come here as immigrants are from rural areas, were their background, both spiritually and geographically, keeps them isolated from education.

I still think pandering to people who don't speak English, by translating everything into other languages, is both patronising and in the long term unhelpful.

Lampman 06-03-2007 15:14

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Yes I agree Garinda,where does it stop,we now have road signs in Polish.It's nearly as bad as Wales!:o

garinda 06-03-2007 15:24

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Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 393570)
It's nearly as bad as Wales!:o

They only do that because Shirley Basssey, Charlotte Church, and Tom Jones don't speak Welsh.;)

WillowTheWhisp 06-03-2007 17:09

Re: Asian women and the English language.
 
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Originally Posted by Bazf (Post 393494)
Jack Straw is asking all Asian women to speak english? does he realise how many countries are in Asia? I know about 20 women from Hong kong and they speak better english then he does. Maybe he was taking about women from another part of Asia, but in fact was stereotyping them all in to the same bracket. People actually vote for idiots, I am amazed how uneducated some politicians are.

Well he's not allowed to say "Pakistani" is he even if he means that because that's not PC.

mani 06-03-2007 17:39

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what about the men?

what if they cant speak english?

grego 06-03-2007 19:02

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I think the women were used as an example because thats who they've come into contact with, I think it should apply to anyone who wants citizenship.


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