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This may not be specific to Accy but something that is becoming common place in this country. The lastest case is of a 16yrs old being run down, cornered, stabbed and beaten to death by a mob of teens. 2 of the 4 arrested and charged are 13yrs old!
In the past Iv'e had the view that today's teens are no worse than at any other time.. but this is the 4th case in a matter of weeks were 15and 16yr old kids have been murdered in cases involving teens with guns,bats and knives.

I don't think anyone should get to thinking it only happens in the black community .. any impressions of that would only serve to make the wider community to thinking it can't happen here!
This sort thing was extremly rare in my youth.. Mods Rockers.. football aggro.. not on the same scale. When did it come to this?
A more detailed report is here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/3995463a12.html

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Its a very sad case, when it comes this. Some people will let this happen. I hope this never comes to my friends.

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It is very sad that this gang culture has been imported to our country, this 'fallen soldier' as one of the messages of sympathy read,is some mothers/fathers son cut down at 16years of age by children younger than he was is a very disturbing trend indeed. This type of crime needs addressing and the sooner the better.

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We all know this is imported from the black ghettos of america,where black on black killing is commonplace among youths.I had a run in with a white youth who thought he was black at Accy bus station the other day,no weapons involved,but he was determined to stand his ground,hood up & all,i ended up throwing the arrogant little s**** accross the pavement......with hindsight he could have had a blade,but fortunatley we don't live in London or Moss Side,he was just a wannabe & his mates were'nt there.Problem is he may well remember me but because of the hood i would'nt know him from Adam.Anyway,had to share that with you,but yes the days of boots & fists have long gone today alas it's to the death & the quicker the better.

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Imported? from where?.. I think I know what you are getting at Ianto..but as I said the feeling that this sort of thing only goes on within a specific group/culture is a very dangerous attitude.. this is not imported it is here and will be far after the likes of you and me are gone.
The kids that have run down a boy and beaten him to death are British with a capital B.. born here.. this thing will happen again and it could be closer to home.. white kids would not exempt themselves from this aggression...god help us .. but it will happen

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Point taken mancie, but I bid not single out any group be it white or black, this type of crime has been the norm of the USA street gangs for a number of decades, so that is where I am assuming it has been imported from, now does that clarify my last post.;)

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No.. how has this been "imported"?.. How? from television..msn..gansta video's on mtv?.. just because you presume this sort of thing happens in America means it is imported?.. it's not a cheeseburger...this is not some sort of gang culture.
It is the same thing that has been here and anywhere else in the world but it has come to an attitude were kids (KIDS) not 30yr old teddy boys or skinheads.. have got into their heads that they can use bats,lumps of wood, or any weapon to attack someone and expect them to just be wounded for a few days.

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But aren’t these young thugs copying what they see in films and on TV?

I would call that importing a culture.

Wouldn’t you?

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Geez guys, back to your corners please and take a breath!:o :p

I would agree that first this youth violence is becoming epidemic. In this country, I put much of the blame on the whole "gangsta rap" crap. Both the music videos and the crappy crap they call music. Oh yeah and the horrendously violent video games.

Have you ever seen or listened to it. It is all about killing cops, other gangstas, or anyone who ****es ya off. Then it's on to beatin' the bitches, do drugs, stealing, raping and pillaging!

I would think that the kids listen and watch enough and they start imitating it. Heck, just last week in church. I was sitting next to these 2 little kids (6 and 8 years old) They were both playing the latest Grand theft Auto games. It was all killing. It did happen to be black kids in a black church. I could not understand what the Grandparents (for both boys neither of them had parents around) were thinking!

Brian.

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You mean Maxwell & Mancie ? :D

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Yes,& a supposedly innocent 7 year old feels he has to repeatedly stab his mums female friend,because they were rowing(though i dont know how serious this argument was),he didnt learn that at play-school.....or did he...it was in Liverpool......maybe Nancie,sorry mancie can tell us his colour......black,white...whats the difference at the end of thew day.Like i said a lot of white youth go around acting as though they want to be black gangstas these days.

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This is England LYY .. this latest murder ..nor the last 4 killings of these kids have been about killing cops,ganstas or beating bitches!.

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Whether or not Mancie, when killing, maiming and mayhem is see in their daily lives as "normal and acceptable" does it matter where it is happening? Also, IMO, I don't believe it matters who, what or where it is happening. Culture has allowed this type of behavior to become more desensitizing to the youth commiting these acts.

Brian

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as far as i,m concerned its down to lack of respect, which sadly is no longer instilled into many of todays youth.there is no line drawn any more it just dont exist to these people.

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doesn't the violence portrayed in video games somehow have an effect......like dulling the shock of death....ah, but in a video game you have more than one life, so when you are killed you can get up and fight again.
Well, someone should tell these kids that in REAL life when you kill someone....they stay DEAD.

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I agree I think a lot of it is due to having no respect for life or anything or anyone. I dont think that watching films or playing violent video games is to blame, if the children knew right from wrong in the first place it wouldn't happen.

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Quite agree, Mancie. By the way, are you same "Mancie" who was telling us on here just a few weeks ago that "the 70's, 80's. 90's were no more violent than today"? A U-turn that your hero, Tony Bliar, would indeed be proud of!

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You dangled the bait you answer you own question mancie. Just what do you wish me to say and i'll aggree with you, were you born awkward or have you just decided to be a public nuicance.:confused:

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Now that is what I call common sense, these kids did not 'invent' this culture in this country, why they have I do not know so stop asking me the obvious, and tell us where you think it emanated from mancie.

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The more violence you watch, the less shocking it becomes and so in effect it is almost seen as 'normal'....so I stand by my earlier post.

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Wynonie in our day you fought with your fists only, you did not even put the boot in as this was considered a cowardly act, going round shooting and knifing folk did not happen as well you know, where this guy gets off is a mystery to me?:confused:

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Very true Margaret! When I watched these little kids gunning down "gang-bangers," I told them that they shouldn't be shooting people like that. I mean there was blood and guts and all. They responded that it was okay ":eek: cause those dudes have guns and they woulda shot me. My guy is the good citizen:eek: !"

My thought is where do I start in retraining just these two little kids and/or their grandparents. I'm planning on talking to the Pastor about it first though.

Brian

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Hey cousin Ianto, is the old grumpy coming out:) ? My thoughts is you have been diplomatically comical in your response up there! Keep up the good work and a big chin chin to you;) :D !

Brian

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I abhor the use of violence in play......I will not buy toy guns, swords or other weapons for my daughters little boy. such behaviour learned at an early age becomes ingrained.

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Hi Brian it's not often these days that I loose it, but mancie can sometimes talk sense, and I like the man but I have tried without success to give my opinion, if im wrong I will be the first to admit it, No I have no intention to go back to the 'old' me but thank's for the reminder.;)

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MY mum wouldn't buy us guns for that reason and for the basic expense. However, I'm sure she was dismayed to find us all using various sticks as guns. Hey, how else were we to "play" cops and robbers or cowboys and indians?

One thing about the old Ian was the dander that he could raise. Gosh did he tick most everyone off at least 10 - 20 times. Maybe we could have a special "grunpy" for a day. Be interesting on some of those slow Accyweb days eh?

Brian

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No need for a grumpy day Brian,wait till mancie comes back on line the proverbial manure 'will' hit the fan. :D

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Quite agree, Ian, this is what I keep trying to say. I knew a fair few of the hardmen around town in the 60's (and Cashman did too!). You messed with them at your peril, but they would not attack an innocent bystander, knives were rare and guns were completely unknown!

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A certain Mr Green rang me from Spain yesterday just to wind me how hot it was over there, tommorow I'll be having a pint with Mr Jukes from the Rossendale Valley both these guys are older than I am but, mess with them at your peril even today. Cheers Brian, who loves ya baby.:D

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that wouldnt be mick would it?

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No cashy I can't go any further;) Getting back on thread where do you think these alleged 13year olds got their ideas from, to deliberatly stalk and then unmercyfully butcher this 16 year old young man is competely off the scale, I only hope that the sentences dished out to the killers reflects the gravity of the crime, but I somehow doubt it will. This country suffers from the 'do gooder' syndrome, the fact is they do no good, only mean well, or do they?

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in all honesty ianto i think they get it from TV, Video Games,Films and the like,cos they are allowed to watch them when they are young and impressionable.also going back to what i said in post 14 also.

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on news another kid 15 stabbed to death last night

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...256344,00.html