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A story making news in the US today is about muslim employees in grocery stores who are refusing to handle pork products (Bacon etc.) and making the customer scan and bag it themself .
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...onalnews-print

Anyone know if this has been a problem with shops in the UK , Tesco or ASDA for example , and how do they handle it . To my mind if you take a job you usually know what it involves, so if you object to parts of it you don't take the job . Never heard of this problem with jewish employees who also avoid pork products.

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bloodyhell they are not actually touching the stuff, its wrapped up!!
ive never seen any refuse to hold it, besides they dont bother when they serving you cheese and HAM pizza:D

why do they not eat it anyway?

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Never seen it yet but then I get most of my meat from the butchers. Seen em not take lottery tickets though because of their beliefs and one of the Scotland Cricket team had the sponsers name blacked out as it was a brewery and alcohol is against his religion.

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I didnt know that!

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Jewish people respect the right to everyone and each to their own beliefs, if the Moslems do not want to handle products that are sensitive to their beliefs, I suggest they find alternative occupations or wear rubber gloves as all food handlers are supposed to do anyway.The Moslems in my opinion are in the main ok, it is the radical hypocrites who will willingly sell 'non' believers anything from alchohol to drugs that need addressing. How can anyone not believe in something and seek to make a living out of it.:confused:

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Totally agree with you , Here in Oakland, 90% of the inner city liquor/bottle stores are owned by members of a Yemeni extended family this has caused lots of problems, sometimes including violence and arson, with the American "Black Muslim' community who are doing as much as possible to clean-up the area, both sides accusing each other of exploiting the other .

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thats a strange one indeed steeljack, never seen it happen in supermarkets here, would hope it never does. people who do that are just bringing un-necessary prejudice on all of their people,of which i think most would not want.

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I respect your point of view cashy as always I did qualify the post by saying 'radical' Moslems. I as you have are friendly with many members of the Asian community who in the main think as I do.;)

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ianto the hypocrites dont tend to be radical. panther seems to be outraged that muslim supermarket workers dont wish to handle pig products, so whats the big deal. supermarkets are so business minded its good that someones prepared to object to them in any way. by the way arent all those 'decent' white people hypocrites fro eating pigs who have been rearred in the most appalling conditions for their consumption. hypocrites

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see thats the thing

i was having this debate with a friend - he was like i dont want to work in a non-islamic place and as such he was workin in asda on say the groceries isle... i replied back well there's the booze there and the non-halal meats too - aaah but i dont stack those do i? he replied

but ur wages do come from the profits of those too adn one of the reasons ppl come to asda etc is cause they can buy these thigns under one roof

even a taxi driver's wage isnt 100% kosher - as he's takin ppl to and from places where they can access drink etc so ur assisting them...

we agreed to disagree

anyway what concerns me is that if she was worried about handlin pork - y doesnt she just wear gloves - surely thats hygeinic

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Point taken spinner, my mother was a Jewess my father was Church of England a wartime marriage when thinking was more about survival than religion, but growing up was difficult as Dad liked pork and Ma would not eat it, don't ask me how they worked the their way round it, but I never saw Dad with a black eye or Mum. personally I would not touch pork with a barge pole as Mum said it was unclean, to get his own back dad had control of education and the crafty man sent my sister and I to a Methodist Church, and he was a lush.

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Mani , so what your saying .......you have a friend who works at Asda and he is allowed through religious restrictions to pick and choose where he works ? and the company allows this, is that correct ...

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funnies thing i came accross
i was stuck in the middle of nowhere on me coach an needed a bite to eat
i noticed a newsagents advertsing hot and cold sandwiches
so i went in and it immediately struck me that it was an asian shop
ahh well i was hungy so i checked out the menu and ordered a
SAUSAGE AND EGG SANDWICH. i did notice that there was no bacon on the menu so i was expecting some strange asian sausage.........nope i got tinned hot dog sausages!!! (did they not realise that they are pork?)

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[quote=Ianto.W.;399929]as Dad liked pork and Ma would not eat it, don't ask me how they worked the their way round it,

i must admit i feel sorry for you mum theres nothing worse than looking at pork if youve been brought up in this way . do people still use the word jewess it sounds really glamourous, nice word

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some people arent that religious thats all simple as that

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very true but when you consider there were no other "piggy" products available it makes you wonder a little

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i think the meat they use in pizas at your typical blackburn road takeaway is halal meat , god knows what the ham realy is lol

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What do you mean by this jedi? The Pig is an animal that IIRC every single part is edible apart from the snout. There is a Hungarian(I'm pretty sure its Hungary) traditional festival where they use a whole pig. Even down to the blood for blood puddings(Floyd did a show about it)

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it was just a reply to spinners last post re my previous one:confused:

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I believe that borrowing money with interest or charging interest is also against Islamic law, I have never been told I can't pay with a credit card that charges me interest.

Is handling a credit card the same as handling a pig?

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there has been a lot of changes in banking e.g. mortgages, no interest is payaable so what happens is that the bank buys a property for teh agreed value, adds on all the interest that would be payable and then resells the house to the muslim buyer on an 'interest free' deal. The goverment had to make changes recently to the stamp duty procedure as it would normally attract the duty twice (once when the bank bought it the second when they resold it), now these deals are covered under an ammendment so that it is only charged once

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The objections by these workers has got nothing to do with the conditions the pigs are reared in or the fact that supermarkets are "business minded". Are you saying that pigs are reared in worse conditions than other meat and animal products which these workers presumably do handle? It's yet another attempt by a small minority of radicals to impose their beliefs on the general population. Fortunately, it hasn't happened over here yet and hopefully it never will!

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That could be an interesting way to buy a house. Fixed payments for life. No worry about rates going up etc. I might get some quotes next time I move house.

Technically they have still payed the bank for borrowing the money though haven't they?

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nope because they only 'buy the house' from the bank. Its been cleared by the Muslim council of Britain as valid under Sharia law.

It would be a 'fixed for life' mortgage and if you bought at a period of low interest rates could be very interesting as to whether a Bank could/would refuse a non Muslim access to that product.

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That could be an interesting court case ;)

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There was a takeaway in Blackburn prosecuted recently for using chicken as pork substitute in pizas, it was reported in the Lancashire Telegraph, the owner concerned was fined quite heavily, if you suspect what is advertised is not what it should be, then report them to trading standards but save some for evidence.

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Willow it is as I said, the 'original cost' of the house plus what interest that would be payable over the term divided by the number of payments to be made

The interesting point as raised by Neil is that it effectively is a 25 year fixed rate. now how close to the normal fixed deals(say 5 year ones) is the rate they use. If it is teh same then it could be a very useful tool to people who want to know exactly want a mortgage would be for teh whole term of teh mortgage

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i'm a porker, does that mean i cant get handled?? :D

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Some orthodox jews will not use the national grid in Israel as they do not believe in any jew working on the Sabbath, they employ Arabs to fill the generators that power their properties, the only work done is the distance walked from home to Synagogue and back, it is kept as a family day when all the members of it spend the day together. Not a bad idea but a little unpractical in today's world.

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That was my whole point Ian when I said a rose by any other name.

We've got a fixed rate mortgage for the full term.

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I have not seen that before. What was the interest rate like compared with 5 year fixed or variable at the time?

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The half-arsed, half understood, self-imposed limitations that people saddle themselves with really get on my wick. I don't supoose that it troubles these idiots at all when it comes to holding out their paws for government hand outs that the money doled out to them is in part the proceeds, through taxation, of all the unclean and evil practises they decry.

More fool us for letting them get away with their ridiculous demands and restrictions in the first place. I'm getting more than a little peed off with all this bending over backward to accomodate the unreasonable.

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Any religion that orders it followers not to eat certain edible foods or when they can be eaten is nothing more than a control freak. Roman Catholics – don’t eat meat on Fridays, eat fish instead, although I doubt if this is practiced these days except by really staunch followers. Jews will not eat the meat from pigs but will sell goods made from pigskin. Muslims with their total ban on pork and anything associated with pigs. Hindu with their veneration of the cow. Religion is all about controlling the lives of the followers and some Muslims try to push it for all it is worth.

Would a Muslim have a ‘Piggy Bank’ given free from Nat West wasn’t it? Would a Muslim buy a farmyard set for their kids to play with?

Jews do not force their eating habits on others in that they will sell whatever is saleable. Catholics will sell meat on Fridays.

If it is against Islamic law to charge interest on loans, can someone explain to me how an Islamic bank survives? Well entwisi has and that is the sort of spin that Blair/Brown would be proud of. As WillowTheWhisp has already proclaimed “A rose by any other name …….” I prefer the word hypocracy.

Putting it bluntly, if a person wants to have specific religious beliefs, leave them on the inside of your front door, unless you are going to your communal place of worship.

As for Halal meat! Isn’t that where the animal has its throat cut and it is allowed to bleed to death?

Just an afterthought! If religions didn’t promise an afterlife of supreme bliss and harmony, how many suicide bombers would we have? Nowhere near as many as there are, I’ll be bound.

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There's usually a reason for religious beliefs to be 'adopted'. For example, and I was told this by a muslim before anyone has a go at me, pigs have no necks therefore unable to be cut by the halal method, things that can't be killed in that way are therefore not killed correctly. Also, the countries where the muslim faith originates are extremely hot - pigs, because they have no necks are less able to regulate their temperatures and so are therefore more likely to be diseased and finally, pork does not keep for very long in the heat therefore can make people ill. All of these factors mean that many centuries ago people in these countries worked out that pigs equals ill health and shouldn't be eaten - it got woven into the religion and is maintained today.

I think the thing with catholics and fish is sort of similar, in that the fishermen went out on monday's to get the fish and came back on friday so it was eaten on friday when it was at its freshest - this too got woven into the faith over the centuries.

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if eating or touching a pig is such a problem and it gets to the point that it effects your life wouldnt teh simple option be to switch to christianity

seriously christians can do what teh hell they like as long as they say sory to god before they die

they can practicaly eat anything

they dont have to go out of town to buy their beer so their parents dont find out or anyone else from their place of worship

you wouldnt even need to worship because most of teh churches are now turned into flats or shut down

problem solved :D

hey im athiest but if i had to choose a religeon it would be christianity simply because anything goes as long as you say sorry :D

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lol dont tell me my humour killed another bloody thread :confused:

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Yup it did

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Halal like kosher was originally devised in the pre- refrigeration days, pork fish without scales, shellfish or any type of fish that was thought to scavenge on human remains were taboo. Kosher in Yiddish means 'clean' as I suspect Halal does in urdu. The killing or the animals is prety much the same it is usually done by a holy man Imam or Rabbi who are not full time, but more as in Christians a lay type who's jobs were part of the sructure of their faith. I suspect not many 'modern' Jews would turn their nose up at a Lobster. Kosher is not kept as strictly as it was in the so called good old days, as there are many watered down sects that have evolved to accomodate modern times. I suggest and would like to think, purely from a personal point of view, that the Moslems would also try to accomodate the 21st century, but I think my views will fall on deaf ears.

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:sad8:

its threads like this that make me cry

how i was deprived of winnie the pooh during my childhood - all thanks to that evil piglet

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

as intriguing a muslim mortgage sounds - the odds are way over the top because the bank has to guess in 20 yrs time if prices increase as they are - what would be the interest then - somehow mishmash it all together and get a figure a mafia extortionist would be proud of. i dont actually know of anyone who has got one though - i'm gonna find out if anyone has and what kinda payments theyre doing...

and no steel - read once agian i did not say due to his religious beliefs he's put on grocery did i? sheesh some ppl tryna make hurricane fatima in a tea cup

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What has an ex javelin lobber got to do with storms, supermarkets and pork? :confused:

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:) I know someone (muslim) who wouldn't touch my piggy bank because it's pig shaped even though the thing is made of pottery. I do think she gets things out of proportion - like that guy who complained about somebody having a box of tissues with a Piglet cartoon on it. I also know muslim children who enjoy Winnie the Pooh, Babe, Charlotte's Web etc. It's just different people isn't it? Some are more extreme than others. I don't drink alcohol for religious reasons - some members of the same church get too carried away and won't even eat in a licenced restaurant. All we are asked to do is not drink the stuff. Nobody said we shouldn't look at it but some people just go to extremes.:D

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they do that with pigs in slaughter houses, they stun it, hang it up and well you know!:(

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was kermit a muslim because he wouldnt touch miss piggy or was he just gay ?

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No meat or fish keeps very long in hot climates Gayle. That’s why they used to salt it or dry it before keeping it cold became fashionable, although salted pork would go off eventually as many a sailor in the ‘good old sailing days’ found out. That’s why they took live animals to sea with them to be slaughtered as required, for the officers of course.

Where did this notion that pigs don’t have a neck come from? Of course a pig has a neck, a short thick one but still a neck and by slashing just below the head it slices the jugular.

2,000 years ago when Christianity was born, fishermen went out in the morning and came back at dusk with their catch. Preserving fish with ice was unknown then so the catch had to be brought in each evening. Leave a freshly caught fish out in the kitchen for 5 days and see what you get.

Ah! Yes panther! But the difference is stunning the animal and not cutting its throat whilst it is conscious.

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no chav1, she was just a ugly pig:D

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Let me just get this right - you're outing kermit!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

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It may be that fish was eaten on Fridays was in rememberance of Good Friday, also Jesus was known as the 'fisherman of men' a mantle he passed on to St Peter, now known as the Pope. I am not a Catholic but am only reading between the lines, so I stand corrected without animosity.