major tom
 

ive been out with the wife tonight we been in thorn im disgusted my wife has to put up with that language im gutted

Re: major tom
 

ground control to major tom . what are you on about?

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sounds as if there was a lot of f......ing & jeffing going on, i wish people would go back to old standards & cut down on that type of language ....its not needed!

Re: major tom
 

what do you thimk of the thorn no it as been done up ?is it truue it is getting turned into flats?

Re: major tom
 

:rolleyes: thats terrible, you'd never catch me swearing:rolleyes:

Re: major tom
 

where is thorn?
never heard of it, swearing is bad, but its only a word, take it you never watched the osbornes??:D

Re: major tom
 

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :D



if ever it gets that bad that i aint comfortable somewhere its simple .....i leave:Banane35:

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i dont like it when your on a bus with the little one and you get some big mouth on the back seat!!
usually the girls, who have the gob on them, i have to bite my lip other wise i would say something, but not with the little un with me!

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And I thought it was just me being sensitive. My husband tells me that effing and jeffing is everyday language nowadays...well, not for me it isn't. It is only acceptable if YOU accept it. I would have left...and let the Landlord know why I was leaving...and that I wouldn't be coming back.

Re: major tom
 

The Thorn is in Church.Used to be a nice little pub but its been taken over by the same company who got the Queens & the Railway in Accy & is now more of a sports themed affair.You do get a lot of younger ones in & can get boisterous at times.Not the place to take the missus for a quiet drink at the weekend.

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It's a noise, only offencive if you let it offend you. Saying that I do keep my language in check if there are people that could be offended within earshot.

Re: major tom
 

If they were being boisterous & invading your personal space then fair enough, but some people need to get a grip about this 'swearing' lark. It's only words!

'Swearing' is one of the most daft concepts in the English language.
It's absurd the way people take so much offence at it.

Re: major tom
 

I guess it's either my prudish/puritanical side or a cultural thing, but it really bothers me when I have to hear the f word, especially from little kids. When I do, I tell em to watch their language and they most always are respectful and apologize. Many of our friends will do the same with the same result.

What would happen if you asked "the girls on the bus" to tone it down? I certainly don't see bad swearing as "merely words!" I don't believe me or my family should have to be exposed to it. I know I'm in the minority and maybe it isn't as bad over here.

It's like saying a women's breast is just a hunk of flesh so why can't I just have meself a grab on my way into the market? To me, swearing means a whole lot more when used infrequently! Just my tired old opinion!

Brian

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Oh, by the way Major Tom, in the future, would be a good idea to more closely identify your thread by topic. For example, "Telling Swearers to **** Off!":p (that's not a bad swear is it?)

Brian

Oops, by the blocking I take it that it is. Sorry too offend, just trying to be silly over here cause there is no laughter today!

Re: major tom
 

I dont like to hear people swearing, dont think there's any need for it, nearly brought this subject up myself as yesterday picking my 4 yr old up from school one of the other mothers, sat talking to her friend and every other word was the F word she even said the C word, I know they're only words but it sounded disgusting.

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Shaker, we all have things that we find offensive...and while they are only words, I DO find them offensive, because it is an indication that people do not respect my presence. I can understand swearing in an all male environment...or if you hit your thumb with a hammer...or if you are really, really angry about something and need to let off some steam......but to swear in the presence of women who you do not know - well I just find it offensive. I also think it shows a distinct lack of linguistic ability.
And it will ONLY become an acceptable part of everyday life if we choose to ACCEPT it - I do not.

Re: major tom
 

and to swear in front of impressionable children is unforgivable because it makes them think it is 'the' grown up thing to do. It isn't big and it isn't clever.

Re: major tom
 

I don't remember it being that long ago when it used to be an offence , and the police would run you in for it , think the charge was "use of indecent language in public" guess they have have different priorities these days :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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I'm sorry LYY, but I believe that to be totally intrusive behaviour on your part. Like I said before, if these people are invading your personal space and making normal conversation impossible for you then by all means ask them to keep it down, but you can't go around telling people what words not to use just because you find them offensive, no one is any better than anyone else.

Re: major tom
 

I certainly would not dream of telling anyone how to behave in public - I would hope that they would afford me the common decency and respect of not having to listen to foul mouthed language...it appears that the people who use this kind of language could whisper over three fields...Sheffield, Huddersfield and Chesterfield...and for the uninitiated, that means they talk rather loudly.

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Best rule to gauge if language is suitable , ask yourself would you use it in front of your Mother or Grandmother, the answer is probably No , so don't use it infront of someone elses Mother or Grandmother , if you answered yes , then in my opinion you are nothing more than a sorry a**ed punk whos 'personal space' would be a five mile stretch of highway pushing a broom and picking up litter.

;) ;) ;)

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Steeljack, that is an excellent rule of thumb. I wish more people would use it.

Re: major tom
 

Not really ... I think that using obscene lang in public is cyclical and cultural ... well in a sub-cultural way. I remember when the Everly Bros. song "Wake Up Little Suzy" was banned, probably in Boston. And now, a song can begin "C***sucker, Motherf***er, Dirty F***ing Ho" and be an instant hit (maybe I should write it myself). Some of the rankest porn pictures come from the Victorian era, a time when there were more hos in London than there are now. For a good read in filthy poetry, read Rochester; I particularly recommend "A Ramble in St. James' Park." And Chaucer. Among the young, swearing may be a sign of rebellion, like clothes, and body piercing.

If a person's language offends, tell him/her to "shut the f**k up." I remember my grandad saying to my gran when she heard someone swear: "Ee luv, better hear that than be deef."

Re: major tom
 

Never heard a truer word :rolleyes:

The old fashioned among us seem to only see a black and white situation here; it's either be a yob shouting obscenities from the back of a bus, or be Cliff Richard.

I have now said twice that I do not condone in any way abusing people with any form of language (well, maybe the odd referee). However I do believe that stripping people of their right to use whichever form of language they want to express themselves with is fundamentally wrong.

It worked a treat for Chaucer and Wilde and it'll do just fine for me.

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It's just a shame that so many people, these days, are so vocabularily challenged that they have to punctuate every sentence with several "F words". It's gratuitous and, initially, was intended to shock.

As for Chaucer and Wilde, I can't remember either using impoverished language as a matter of course. To misquote Lady Bracknell, "To lose one f***ing parent may be f***ing regarded as a f***ing misfortune. To f***ing lose both is f***ing carelessness." It doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it? ;)

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One must get acquainted with The Miller's Tale, then.

I know there are many people who use 'swear words' out of context and grossly inappropriately, however I am defending one's right to free speech. Afterall you cannot possibly generalise every youth who swears into this obstreperous nature.

It is unfortunate that the English language is so awfully crafted that there is no room for exaggerated expression without the stiff upper lip getting involved.

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Actually, I'm glad to know that Shaker. I guess it's a bit of a cultural acceptance thing then. I could have found myself on the tube admonishing some young chavs to watch their language. Thereby bringing forth either a physical or much worse verbal attack.

Again, over here, I don't know very many adults who wouldn't admonish kids for vulgar language. And also, most of the time but not all, the kids will invariably apologize and cease.

I even have a friend who will say to adults using vulgar language to refrain as it his wife and/or children are offended. Again, the people will typically apologize.

Lesson learned!

Brian

Re: major tom
 

my nan would say to me swearing is a weak mind you cant think of any thing better to say.your mouth speakes before you think.so looks like i have no brain and speak to quick.lol

Re: major tom
 

Shaker, Chaucer was speaking the language of the day...the words commonly used as swear words were Old English parlance......but personally I do not want to hear them bandied about by people who wouldn't know that fact if it bit them on the bum. You don't hear these same people using Latin do you...that is another one of the old languages.
The best compliment that I can offer you is to hope that you live long enough to be seen as 'Old fashioned'.

I think that swearing is just a sign of a lazy mind and it is a fashion of followers rather tham leaders. I would rather be a leader than a follower.
And I would rather be deaf than have to listen to the foul language of SOME of the youth(and not so young) of today.

Re: major tom
 

My work used to take me all over Great Britain, and some European countries, What I found was that in large cities, without wanting to single any one out, that swearing during normal conversation was the accepted norm, even amongst women. I am not defending the practice but it was very infectuous, so take heed when swearing in front of children, as they may catch the habit.

Re: major tom
 

Like it or not, obscenity is the language of our day ... familiarity brings not only contempt but also a degree of immunity. And it can be a source of entertainment. I would recommend George Carlin's skit, "7 Dirty Words You Can't Say on TV." Or his latest book, "When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops?"

Still, I do believe that the rule of common sense should apply. If my buddy and I are trying to fix his geriatric Harley Davidson panhead, obscentiy is approriate, particularly as it is the quirkiest f**king bike on the whole c***sucking planet! But in the company of those who you know will take offence, let common sense take over and watch yo mouth.

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No Eric, It is only the language of the day if you ACCEPT it as such and I don't.
I was on the bus yesterday with my daughters little three year old. Now at this age they are apt to say anything they hear. Two young men behind us were using a string of obscenities.....the three year old is listening to all this, and i do not think it is acceptable at all. A bus is a public space - they contaminated this space with foul language...all of it gratuitous. Call me wrong if you like, but I do not think it is fair or reasonable to expect me to listen to this. Can these young men not see that they are making themselves look bad? As I've said before....it isn't big and it isn't clever.

Re: major tom
 

Much ado about nothing!

Swear words have lost their impact through misuse and overuse and as someone has already mentioned using swear words establishes the ignorance of the speaker.

Although I cringe internally when someone uses foul language near me I’ve learned to ignore it and get on with my life comforted with the thought that come tomorrow I will have forgotten all about it. However come tomorrow the foul-mouthed swearer will still be the same obnoxious, ignorant twerp.

Re: major tom
 

Why is it regarded as highly offensive to refer to someone as a four-letter word from Scunthorpe, yet more or less acceptable to call him/her a berk ?
Berk is taken from the Cockney rhyming slang 'Berkeley or Berkhamsted Hunt, which, yes you've guessed correctly, rhymes with ****.

Re: major tom
 

Oh, but one did, when one was studying for A level English. Chaucer didn't use the "4 letter word" to pepper every sentence for no reason other than bravado and an inability to express himself adequately.

Re: major tom
 

One forgot the smiley in one's post :rolleyes::o

I still find it idiotic the way people who 'swear' are generalised into this yob culture, just because of these absurd old fashioned ideals.

Re: major tom
 

Perhaps you find it absurd because you have no ideals.

Re: major tom
 

I'm sorry, do you know me? No. Do you know what I believe in? No.

Don't be a fool.

Re: major tom
 

No I don't know you personally, but you have stated in this thread some of the things you seem to believe in.
And if you are calling me a fool, then maybe I could ask you the same question....but I won't do a Gondola and answer the question myself.

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From this thread...ah, I see.
I'm ever so sorry, you must obviously have an incredibly sound knowledge of my character.

I'm off to get my trackies on, get on a bus, blare my dance music out & hurl abuse at old folk, before this thread gets silly...:rolleyes:

Don't patronise me.

Re: major tom
 

Please afford me the same courtesy then....and do not patronise me.

I do not have a sound knowledge of you....... only an opinion based on my observations from your postings in this thread.

Re: major tom
 

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

Oh, and if you are going out do be careful crossing the road.

Re: major tom
 

Margaret, unlike you, I have made no presumptions about the character of other members.
Judging me from a few posts I have made in this thread on one miniscule topic is foolish.
Please don't do it again.

Re: major tom
 

But you presume me to be a fool.....is that not foolish? You must have based your assumptions on something. And please do not direct me as to what I may or may not do.

Re: major tom
 

I did not presume you to be a fool.
Believing you have some understanding of who I am or what I believe in from a few posts on an internet forum is foolish.

This silliness is boring me now. I'm off.

Re: major tom
 

I rest my case.

Re: major tom
 

I have told you twice why I called you a fool.

Here we are. One more time.

This, Margaret, was foolish.

Hence me calling you a fool.

Are we done yet?

Re: major tom
 

doubt you'll be done till all your karma's gone....fool

Re: major tom
 

Ah, so now you admit it. Name calling is so very juvenile.....and now you have caused me to thread wander too.

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& what's it got to do with you!?

Go back to making pointless posts about nothing will you.

hehehehe pmsl rofl lmao LOL

OMGGGGGGGG

It's people like you that've wrecked this forum. I'm off.

Re: major tom
 

terrible arent i, oh naughty me

Re: major tom
 

have i missed summat ere??....darn!!!

Re: major tom
 

Only a small and insignificant difference of opinion.

Re: major tom
 

It's a lovers tiff, no more.

Re: major tom
 

that man is the most horrible little creep. i wouldent have him studded in diamonds...Sharon is a fool to herself to even tolarate him

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Neither do i Margaret.its just the language of the day ,if you have no respect,,,,

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Oh well Granny, it looks like you are with me in the 'old fashioned' group......those who have lived long enough to only see things in black and white.
I am quite happy to be in this group.

Re: major tom
 

I think not, Tealeaf. I am old enough to be his mother's mother!

Re: major tom
 

Me neither Granny....he must have some loveable characteristics if you want to spend time looking for them.

Re: major tom
 

Okay, a back on thread question. For all those who think everyone has a "right" to swear, use vulgar language, etc., whenever and at any volume, they please:

What do you think about Accyweb's policy on no bad language. Does that frustrate, anger, annoy you? I'm not trying to be a smart"butt" here, I'm really curious. Remember, I'm coming from somewhere that doesn't accept this as seemingly readily as England has.

Now Shakermaker and Margaret, you guys could have easily have stayed more on thread by throwing a couple of curse words out!:cool: :p :D

Re: major tom
 

No, I couldn't do that because I respect the fact that Shaker has a right to his opinion. And I do not use bad language except in circumstances of extreme provocation....and then only mild expletives.

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Our difference of opinion was just that......not an argument, and I have no hard feelings about Shaker.

Back to the question - I do not find Accywebs ban on swearing a problem at all, since I do not use that kind of language in my everyday life.

As far as who should be allowed to swear, and at what volume.....well, I try not to listen to the conversations being held by other people in public places, but some people speak so loudly you would have to be deaf not to hear them.......and to find a simple conversation liberally sprinkled with expletives that are unnecessary to the subject matter, is I find, offensive. Maybe I was born into the wrong era.
I would say that to the people who use profanities, would you like to hear your grandmother use such language.....or would you use such language in front of her....and they say YES....I would say that they are lying. :)

Re: major tom
 

You are raising some interesting philosophical and logical issues here. What you choose to accept or reject is irrelevant on any level other than the personal. You do have choices of course; however, they are governed not by any external reality (if such a thing exists) but by conditioning. You are a product of how, where and when you were raised. Also you are a product of who you are, as an individual. And everyone on the planet is in the same Ark.

And the answer to the rhetorical question you raised is "no".:confused:

Re: major tom
 

You can use bad language on Accyweb but it has a place of it's own so people can choose to go there or not. Correct policy IMHO

Re: major tom
 

In some respects you are right.....I can choose not to watch programs that contain bad language (and I do choose not to watch)......I can't choose what people in public spaces do, but I would hope that they would be courteous enough to bear in mind that not everyone wishes to listen to their conversation, and either turn down the volume or use more moderate language......but I contend that it is still a situation where over the years people have accepted that bad language is something they can do nothing about. I can only lead by example. And yes..... I am a product of the era in which I was raised, and the manner I was educated and brought up. Something I make no apology for, and have no wish to change.

Re: major tom
 

Do I think people have the right to say whatever they want?

Yes.

Do I have the right to ask people who use bad language in front of me, my mother, or children in our company, to shut up?

Yes, and I do.

Re: major tom
 

I am pleased to hear that.

On odd occasions I have asked people to moderate their language and cited the fact that there are little ears listening......most times people have been quite shamefaced and sheepish, apologised and politely acceded to my request...only on one occasion was I told to 'eff
off' and that was by a very elegantly dressed young woman.
A case of 'handsome is as handsome does'.

Re: major tom
 

My son, who is 41, is a musician. Among other things he plays lead guitar, semi-pro, in a very successful AC/DC tribute band. I know, and he readily admits, that "colourful" language is part of that particular culture and I have no illusions other than that he participates when he's in that sphere. I have never, ever heard him use that kind of language, he just wouldn't do it in my presence, or in any polite company, because he respects me and my values. That's what it's all about - respect.

Re: major tom
 

Do I have the right to tell a person that is swearing in front of me and mine ,yes. But I would not recomend that you do it in the pub where this thread started, unless you want a fat lip.

Re: major tom
 

actually all sections of society swear from chavs to toffs. i dont mind it personally as i swear myself. cant see whats wrong wit everday swear words. if people are acting agressively and swearing , than it changes it for me. i hate it if im pulled up for swearing some people think youve committed a crime

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Ok i dont swear that much only when im making a point. Anyway monday night i did make a point - someone wound me up and i told that person to p off and shouted it right across the pub and walked out. Now i dont swear normally and their faces was a picture!!! They knew that person had pushed me to far. So swearing does have a place but not in front of kids!

Re: major tom
 

There's a certain Rotarian who goes in the Stop and Rest, who will always challenge your behaviour if you use bad language in front of a lady, and everyone respects him for it, and doesn't swear.

As Margaret has said, it's all about respect. We all know swear words, and sometimes may chose to use them. Most of us don't have Tourettes, therefore we decide what words come out of our mouths.

If someone is so thick, and unable to speak with alternating every other wors with the 'f' word, good luck to them, because they'll never get very far.

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So, you guys really consider p*ss off a bad swear word. I'm truly sorry then for using it earlier. I always took it as a kinda fun loving, good natured word like bug off. I put the full blame on Monty Python cause I'm sure that's the first and probably only place I've heard it.

Brian

Re: major tom
 

I challenge you or your rotarian pal to go into the Thorn Inn, where this thread started, and check someone in there for swearing. You will be asked to choose your window, and I guarantee you will be thrown through it, without ceremony.

Re: major tom
 

That seems to me it's down to the landlord/landlady who allow it , in the old days a licensee had to be a person of good character , these days since the granting of licenses was taken over by local councils instead of the police and courts it seems anyone and his dog can get one , not that I'm saying local councillors/ elected officials have lower standards and poorer ethics/morals than the police and local JPs , but one has to wonder
:rolleyes: ;) :rolleyes: ;)

Re: major tom
 

Believe me steeljack they could put 'John The Baptist' in the Thorn Inn, and he would have to swear, if he did not conform he would go through the window I challenged GARINDA and his rotarian Stop and Rest pal to to try. You can take the apes out of the jungle, but you cannot take the jungle out of the apes. By the way Garinda I'll come with you if you want to play the hard man, I love a good laugh.:rolleyes:

Re: major tom
 

I didn't see this until just now.

Trust me I've been in places that make the Thorn Inn look like a ladies afternoon Temperance meeting. In my forty two years on your Earth, I've never been thrown through a window.

It must be my talent for saying exactly what I want, in the most diplomatic way possibe...well that and being six foot and seventeen stone.;)

Re: major tom
 

suprised the Thorn has desended to this level, was a decent boozer in the early 70s, personally i swear like a trooper, avoiding kids,n ladies who i dont know, my lass hates bad language so i would certainly tell em and have in the past fortunatly its never come to blows, just as well at my age i suppose.;)

Re: major tom
 

You have been nowhere I have two sons your age, you are a nobody in nobody land. I was in Bagdad when you were in your Dad's bag. and furthermore if you and your buddy 'Ses Less' seek to try to bully people off this site, just remember i'll be watching you .:p

Re: major tom
 

Are you drunk, or is that a serious threat?

You know nothing about me you silly old lush.

Re: major tom
 

And as for bullying by myself and Less, as you put it, I asume you are refering to Gondola and Spinner, and your plea that we should give them a fair hearing.

Well we did.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or in this case if you are going to make contoversial allegations about people, and when challenged offer not the slightest bit of evidence to substantiate your clain, put up or shut up.

No bullying as far as I can see, just open, honest, debate.

Re: major tom
 

I see youv'e arrived at your destination, nice avitar what ever they call your new mugshot, can't stop for more fun Gary as the knife man awaits. 'See you' in a day or two. 'The Lush'.:cool:

Re: major tom
 

Well my old sparring partner, I wish you all the best health wise, and that you are soon back posting on here.:)

Re: major tom
 

[quote=garinda;414134]And as for bullying by myself and Less, as you put it, I asume you are refering to Gondola and Spinner, and your plea that we should give them a fair hearing.

Well we did.

who the hell are you a judge? what a patronising comment. if kazi the crook wants to defend himself he would hav got someone to do help him do it by now. he knows he would open a whole can of worms. he obviously knows theres evidence against him thats why he wont challenge anyone. the problem is Gondola is banned.

Re: major tom
 

Its Only 2 Years Since Council Took Over Pubs Have Been Going Down Hill For Many Years Not Since Council Took Over. The Problem Is Pub Companies Buy Pubs Pay Crap Wages And Cant Get Good People.

Re: major tom
 

nowadays any clown can be a landlord, no disrespect intended to the good uns but over last 5/6 years i have come across quite a few who how they get a pub completely baffles me.:confused: an i,m sure the good uns will know what i mean.

Re: major tom
 

I am not judging, just commenting, the same as everyone is allowed to do on the site.

I see you are now calling Cllr. Siddique a 'crook', yet once again you offer the public no evidence to substantiate your claim.

Suprise, suprise. Same old, same old.

Re: major tom
 

gondola said he would offer the evidence but you more than anybody else was ranting and raving against him. isnt that true? so much so that ianto was bothered by it as he indicated in this threed. i never said that i had actual evidence . i dont think evidence or lack of it was the real issue for you it was just attention seeking on your part. ive been kindly informed that someoneelse had a go at you for your attitude but mysteriously the post was immediately deleted.

Re: major tom
 

good luck mate

Re: major tom
 

How have we got back to this?
What has this got to do with the original thread.
Spinner, GET A LIFE!!!

Re: major tom
 

good luck from me too. ianto .i thought you were joking with garinda about this until flashy posted

Re: major tom
 

well i didnt start the issue on this thread and as for get a life i think you mght want to try to get one yourself. ive obviously bothered you by mentioning that deleted post

Re: major tom
 

lol he might of been joking, i was just wishing him luck anyway, cos i'm nice like that ;)

Re: major tom
 

Gondola, before he was banned, offered no evidence to back up his claims.

Now you admit you have no evidence against Cllr. Siddique, so what have you been prattling on about all this time for then?:)

Re: major tom
 

well i still stand by what i say ...if i dont like what i hear in a place . then i leave .... its my choice , and if a landlord is prepared to lose custom over bad language well he,s either .....got enough of like wise customers to keep him in business or he,s got shed loads of cash to subsidise his loss or he,s god damn shlt scared or the majority to take action .in which case he aint fit to be a landlord...simple ...aint nothing to do with politics...