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To bolster my position as the forum's resident Cassandra, here's a pretty worrying development - especially as the BBC were discussing the demise of the humble bumble bee on this morning's Breakfast News...

http://news.independent.co.uk/enviro...cle2449968.ece


If mobiles can do this to Bees, what are they doing to our brains?

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I have an ancient 'brick' of a mobile phone whose sole purpose is to summon the RAC when needed.

I do not own a microwave oven - they are very damaging to health too -methinks more than phones

http://www.willthomas.net/Convergenc...ng_Hazards.htm

I do have a radio phone and 2 radio doorbells - HMM - will think about getting shut :(

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Last time I checked. There are a lot of things that can kill bees that do not kill us. A fly swatter for example. When there is evidence of there being real harm done to humans is when it's time to worry.

Microwaved food is simply boiled. The waves are passed at the resonate frequency of water so they vibrate, causing them to produce heat, this cooks the food. The only damage a microwave can do is if you find a way to put a part of your body into it. That way the water particles in your body would vibrate, create, cooking you from the inside. Again, when your stuck inside an active microwave is when it's time to worry, not before.

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That is precicely what the manufactureres want you to believe -I do not believe ALL I read on the web but sometimes the volume of info available, all saying the same thing, is impossible to write off as 'bunkam'.
While we are on the subject of modern hazards - try websearching aspartamine -throw away your 'diet' drinks and artificial sweeteners. I once found aspartamine in vitamin C pills bought at ASDA -they got binned pronto!

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You can help save the bees by rubbing bee's wax polish over the mouthpiece of your mobile.

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Save money - dig it out of your earhole :)

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Mobiles are actually good for bees, as can be seen here.

http://www.palacebaby.com/image_mana...42_4120222.jpg

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Also try searching 9/11 conspiracy theories. Alien landings. Elvis Presely lives. The internet is the single largest source of information known to man. It is also the single largest source of bull****. The tests done on things in food are so strict it is unbelieveable. Half of the additives banned are perfectly safe if it wasn't for people over reactions. Additive X has been found to cause cancer, therefore it shall be banned. The fact that the only way there is a chance of this causing cancer is if you are injecting large doses of it daily, and a small amount in a food item is harmless, does not matter. EU food regulations are so strict. There is a lot of commotion about E numbers, saying how they are going to kill us all. The whole point of E numbers is that they are SAFE additives, gone through rigourous testing.

Science is so contradictory it is hard to believe that people still buy it. For every theory there is one saying the exact opposite. The thing to do is look at ALL the facts and come to a reasoned conclusion.

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I reckon there is some merit in the bees theory Acrylic-bob. Clever as science pretends to be scientists still do not KNOW how bees find their way about or homing pigeons for that matter or even migrating birds and animals. It could be using the earth’s natural magnetic field because it is constant (subject to sun spot activity) and if that is the case radio waves could interfere with them enough to confuse a bee.

The mobile phone industry is such a massive industry that should anyone even attempt to prove that a mobile phone can cause brain cell damage they will do everything possible to discredit the allegation.

13 years in the Royal Navy as the guy who maintained and repaired radio transmitters, receivers, radar and sonar, I can claim to have some knowledge about radio waves from long wave right up to the millimetric. I know from personal experience how a radio wave can burn my hand without leaving a mark on the skin. It was the flesh underneath that got burned because it was radio waves doing the burning. I know from personal experience how a radar set with a power output of ONE MEGAWATT can make a person’s skin itch a couple of hundred yards away and in one case made a guy’s hair stand on end. In fact we used to use this phenomena to our advantage when tuning a transmitter. A normal neon tube hung from a transmission line would glow the brightest when the transmitter was tuned correctly and at optimum power output.

So mobiles emit radio waves on very low power but the aerial is very close to the brain and the skull gives no protection because high frequency radio waves will pass right through. How far can these radio waves travel? Well astronomers measure the natural radio signals from distant stars, don’t they? And the nearest star to us apart from our own sun is 4.3 light years away.

I have no doubt that over time and with continued use a mobile phone user will experience some brain malfunction.

I would have given that article on microwaves a bit more credibility [email protected] if there hadn’t been a link at the bottom of the page selling low priced microwaves.

However the final paragraph intrigued me.

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Here's a fun experiment you can do at home: Plant seeds in two pots. Water one pot with water nuked in a microwave; the other with “normal” filtered tap water. Surprise! The seeds soaking up microwaved water won't sprout.

There is a flaw in that the cause of the seeds watered with ‘nuked’ water not sprouting isn’t down to the ‘nuking’ but to the chemicals in the tap water. The other pot is to be watered with normal ‘FILTERED’ water.

So having just happened to have a few packets of seeds ready to sow in my garden I have started the experiment using normal tap water and normal tap water boiled in the microwave and allowed to cool. We shall see what happens.

My guess is that the seeds in both pots will germinate. But we shall see.

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Pity that its bees- if it was wasps- now you're talking. Nuke the vicious little b*****ds!! They are the SS of the insect world wasps- evil sting you just for the hell of it little sods.

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everyone seems to complain about mobile phone masts but at the same time it usually the same people who are buying phones for thier 8 year olds. masts consequently prop up and non phone users such as the bees and msyself are sadly 'caught in the crossfire. it really winds me up peopl should only use their fonez for emergencys etc

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having just come bach from a family visit to pakistan people have noticed a lot of hedaches since the appearence of fone masts. also in pakistan people have noticed sparrows have disappeared since the intro of fone masts. hav the poor sparrows and fire flies w(hich are so pretty in the evening )also lost their way. i hate fone maSTS

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Which century are you living in ?

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http://www.bry-backmanor.org/dinosaurs/colordino2.gif

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There was life before mobiles - and it was less stressful too

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erm im not a luddite i dont want to end up dying in pain with a brain tumour the size of a golf ball. thats wat century im living in

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I do remember those days but I actually find my life less stressful with a mobile because I can get hold of people when I want, lot less hassle than waiting for the Pony Express to deliver my letters and wait for the reply :D

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Oh geee lets go back to the caves eh

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Yes to the caves everyone.And these car things,they can kill as well,sometimes aided by a mobile phone.Cars should only be used in emergencies.Electricity....never mind its uses;it's a killer.So is that gas stuff.......ban it.TV's,computers?Pictures,information through wires & cables...unnatural,ban 'em.....except in emergencies.21st century?Emergencies only.Bring back open sewers & the plague.And bees.

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dont go to extremes. people were living in a very advanced world before the advent of mobiles. as a human being youv got no right to inflict unknown suffering on other speices. these masts are obviosly damaging their way of life so much so that they are confused. being advanced is not nececerrily progressive , we should be more concious of the natural world. damaging someones way of life for the sake of idle chit chat on the mobile is not modern. noone used to chat so much on the homefone. were being encouraged to do so by the mobile companies.

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I was under the impression that you are doomed from the day you are born. If we are wiping out bee's then they will join a growing list of creatures that we have pushed to the brink.

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Spinner I see from another thread you recently went to Pakistan. With your views about being conscious of the natural world did you walk or did you travel by some great lump of metal with gas guzzling engines which on it's one trip probably did more damage to the natural world than all the mobile mats put together?

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lancs dave that was the point i was making we already hav too many luxuries that hav 'advanced' our lives we simply cant add more trash to the natural world especially not for idle chit chat which be done on our home phone. there is that other option available. why cant people just use their land lines and reserve mobiles for emergencies

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Would you put computers in the lifestyle advancement catagory???

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you cant say that how did you come to such a conclusion without the 'facts'. how did you measure it

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I used the word probably so I'm not saying its fact. However which luxury item has more green tax applied to it, a mobile phone or a plane ? Does that not suggest which is less kind to the natural world ?

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adding to my point we already have too much without sacrificing not only our health but navigation systems of insects. theres a lot of stuff that we dont know about still goodness knows what i mapct we are having.

anyway i dont want to be surrounded by a phone mast because some idiots just want to use their free minutes up.like i said we already hav got landlines and besides you can relax and chat on those withiout agetting a big fat hedach. wats your alternative to computors?

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:rofl38: :rofl38: :rofl38: lmao !!!!!! nice one G hahahahahaha:D

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not at all. a
nyway what was the alternative going on a train surely you can see the difference in terms of how you hav the option of using a home fone. i just ask myself is it really necessary the use that blasted mobile. most of the time its not

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Screw the caves ... let's head for the trees.

The end of the world is nigh, and global warming came along (in England anyway) to make the experience a little more pleasant. And getting rid of the stinging insects is a bonus. Pity they don't work on mosquitos, or skunk for that matter particularly the inconsiderate little black and white bastard who sprayed my car when I (accidentaly) drove over him last night.

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A real one, or a mobile phone mast disguised as a tree?:D

http://www.rampantscotland.com/graph...masts3252a.jpg

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I wonder how much radio activity we were exposed to before we actually knew what it was? My mate Paddy said he gave a luminous watch away because there was a report in the newspaper, that if you wore it long enough you would loose the use of the wrist. Paddy being a single man badly needed his wrist.

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Yes, if only he was married...he could have got Mrs Paddy to dig up the potatoes.







(Racist and sexist = 2 bonus points.):D

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The only potatoes Paddy was ever bothered about were in his socks.:D

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So we smell you coming now and I thought the chemical plant had an "INCIDENT." :p

YOU CONNECT A COMP IN A CAVE!!:eek:

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One baby skunk can outstink any chemical plant on the planet ... you have to get a whiff of the little monsters to appreciate them ... if you get sprayed, a bath in tomato juice usually gets rid of the smell ... and then you can use the juice to make a very interesting bloody caesar:signntme:

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Here Here Flash, one of the b******stung my little finger and it swelled up like it was going to burst, bloody painful:eek:

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must be a metaphor ... or waiting for aliens ... :D Maybe they are attracted by cell phones ....

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As an answer to the question I posed at the start of the thread, how about these little nuggets of info which I discovered during this morning's trawl through the papers...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1687491.ece

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1687357.ece

Chemo-therapy anyone????

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:banlama: we will find something to kill the bug before they get us we won,t just sit there i will look on the net for something and that s what i think:Banane09:

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From the article at http://www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/Microwave_Cooking_Hazards.htm so thoughtfully pointed to by [email protected]

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Here's a fun experiment you can do at home: Plant seeds in two pots. Water one pot with water nuked in a microwave; the other with “normal” filtered tap water. Surprise! The seeds soaking up microwaved water won't sprout.

Always up for a challenge I boiled some water in the microwave and when it had cooled I used it to water one small biodegradable pot that had some poppy seeds in it. The other pot, also with poppy seeds in it, was watered with tap water.

Most of the seeds in both pots have germinated just fine and have been put out into my ‘garden’. So bang goes another theory.

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So come on then which do you believe would be the biggest and strongest?

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Thank god that skunk aren't endangered by cell phones:eek:

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The debate on global warming is over ... global warming won. To try to argue that we are not responsible for the mess that we are in, or that it is some normal planetary trend is akin to arguing that the holocaust never happened. In the years I spent at university spending my time poring over the Middle Ages, I learned lots about the mini-ice age, particularly from information one can gain from the Icelandic sagas. And the general warming trend that one can see revealed in the expansion of land under cultivation in Western Europe. But what is happening now is different. Prehistoric ice masses, the Ellesmeer in particular I believe, are breaking up. Innuit people, who have an oral tradition going back thousands of years, are telling those who are willing to listen that immense, unprecedented changes are taking place. The discussion is over. Now is the time to act.

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I have resurrected this thread because of an article in todays Independant
Public health: The hidden menace of mobile phones - Independent Online Edition > Health
-seems that research in ongoing and some new statistics may give you food for thought about maybe using your mobile less often

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Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about radiated electrical radio energy will tell you that the radiation can burn if powerful enough. Or put another way, can damage tissue.

I know from personal experience how a transmitter transmitting a 25Mhz signal at 40Kw can burn a hand. In those days high powered transmitters were huge, so huge that I had to use a step ladder to get to the Aerial Tuning Unit. One day whilst servicing a transmitter I grabbed the transmission lines to steady myself and received burns to my hand. The power came from a neighbouring transmitter being induced in the transmission lines that I grabbed hold of. There was no visible sign on the skin but I could sure feel it underneath.

Very high frequencies like used for mobile phones are nothing more than microwaves and we all know what microwaves can do.

OK so the power from a mobile is extremely low but continued bombarding of the same area will eventually show an effect. A cell partially damaged from low power microwaves could turn cancerous. You could eventually cook a lump of meat in the microwave on the lowest power setting.

Poisoners, in days gone by, killed their victim with tiny daily doses of arsenic. The cumulative effect was deadly. Wasn’t it Napoleon who died from arsenic poisoning because the wall covering was laced with arsenic in one of the paints?

A tiny dose of something nasty will not have any noticeable effect, but continued doses over a lengthy period of time can.

The point I am making and have done for many years is that the mobile phone is not a danger if used sensibly and the part that radiates the signal is kept well away from the body let alone the head.

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Yes you are correct about old Boney. Rather have a massage of sound waves than slowly cooked by microwaves.