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accymel 27-04-2007 07:21

Underage Drinking
 
Alcohol concern Parents could face prosecution if they give alcohol to children under the age of 15!! {even responsible teaching or with meal alchohol**

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6596515.stm

Good news that this problem has been highlighted, many of us have had the pleasure of drunkard kids on the street, but do u think that prosecuting parents will work on those that will get alcohol from somewhere else - even dodgey shops, credit in a lot of cases these kids parents probably dont give a crap where there kids are or what they are doing - but there'll be a good handful of those parents that have been lied to or innocently dont think there is a problem & are safe, ie sleepovers. Also do some actually care if their parents are prosecuted???

WillowTheWhisp 27-04-2007 07:42

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I can't help thinking that it isn't the children who are given a sip of sherry at Christmas by Great Aunty Nellie who are actually the problem - like you said Mel they get it from other sources when they want to - those shops which sell to underage customers are more of a problem I would think.

cashman 27-04-2007 08:15

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only problem here is like other things,it will probably be great auntie nelly that gets done,and the parents that dont really give a crap- dont.

flashy 27-04-2007 08:17

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apparently its ok to give a child of 5 a drink at home ???? good god

Neil 27-04-2007 08:24

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The figures, published by the NHS's information centre last November, showed boys aged 11 to 13 drank an average of 12 units of alcohol a week in 2006.... The figure for girls increased from five units to eight.
I find that hard to believe.

Neil 27-04-2007 08:27

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Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 416428)
apparently its ok to give a child of 5 a drink at home ???? good god

I don't see why there should be laws about such things. There is no law that says I can't let my 2 year old drink bleach. I know which is more dangerous. You have to hope that parents are protecting and looking after their children.

Anyway just because something is not illegal does not mean you have to do it, no one is forcing us to give our 5 years a quick brandy before bed, then again it might not be a bad idea some nights :)

Flash 27-04-2007 09:19

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 416399)
Alcohol concern Parents could face prosecution if they give alcohol to children under the age of 15!! {even responsible teaching or with meal alchohol**

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6596515.stm

Good news that this problem has been highlighted, many of us have had the pleasure of drunkard kids on the street, but do u think that prosecuting parents will work on those that will get alcohol from somewhere else - even dodgey shops, credit in a lot of cases these kids parents probably dont give a crap where there kids are or what they are doing - but there'll be a good handful of those parents that have been lied to or innocently dont think there is a problem & are safe, ie sleepovers. Also do some actually care if their parents are prosecuted???

I agree with you Accymel i don't think the parents do give a crap what their kids are doing. Our neighbours have a sixteen year old son and they let him do what ever he wants. On a regular bases i have seen him come home with his mates with trays of lager from god knows where and getting absolultley bladdered, to the point were him and his mates are vomiting out in the street. I think his parents should be prosecuted, but would it really do any good. I think not.

accymel 27-04-2007 09:31

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An interesting comment made & i cant remember which media i heard it on probably gmtv lol, that trouble with this nanny state is that its taken the responsiblity out of peoples actions its a blame everyone else but me attitude, i've known parents that are at their witts end because their child rules them rather than other way round & do teens care that much if their mum or dad gets punished for it except when too late, what about making the teens have responsiblity for their own actions - a lot know more than we think they do, its like punishing your brother for something u have done isnt fair & thats what is happening in sence here. On the flip side there are a host of parents that need to parent & clearly dont & this punishment would possibly make them rethink.

Also agreed be hard to police but the wider issue is teens are getting drink - probably not even from their parents & are louting on the streets causing anti social behaviour, but as i saw tother week even the police just sit there till they walk round corner & then ****** off:( maybe like in some areas confisgating their ale/alco pops & escorting them home to their parents with strong warnings would be a better pro active approach, then if the same child is constantly being caught drinking then taking further action would follow thro the law.

Flash 27-04-2007 09:35

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Originally Posted by accymel (Post 416452)
An interesting comment made & i cant remember which media i heard it on probably gmtv lol, that trouble with this nanny state is that its taken the responsiblity out of peoples actions its a blame everyone else but me attitude, i've known parents that are at their witts end because their child rules them rather than other way round & do teens care that much if their mum or dad gets punished for it except when too late, what about making the teens have responsiblity for their own actions - a lot know more than we think they do, its like punishing your brother for something u have done isnt fair & thats what is happening in sence here. On the flip side there are a host of parents that need to parent & clearly dont & this punishment would possibly make them rethink.

Also agreed be hard to police but the wider issue is teens are getting drink - probably not even from their parents & are louting on the streets causing anti social behaviour, but as i saw tother week even the police just sit there till they walk round corner & then ****** off:( maybe like in some areas confisgating their ale/alco pops & escorting them home to their parents with strong warnings would be a better pro active approach, then if the same child is constantly being caught drinking then taking further action would follow thro the law.

I absolutley agree. Why does it make sense to us lot and not to the people higher up that make the rules and enforce the law.

lancsdave 27-04-2007 09:42

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Originally Posted by Flash (Post 416456)
I absolutley agree. Why does it make sense to us lot and not to the people higher up that make the rules and enforce the law.

Because most of them have never looked after their own kids, they have nanny's :)

Flash 27-04-2007 09:46

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 416460)
Because most of them have never looked after their own kids, they have nanny's :)

Quite right ,never thought of that.

garinda 27-04-2007 12:12

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I have friends in Italy and France, both countries were children are brought up to regularly drink watered down wine with their dinner.

Alcohol isn't seen as something you need to get as much down your neck, just as soon as you're able, unlike here. They can't believe how much we drink here, the only goal being seemingly to get off our faces.

I've never seen the same drunken madness in those countries, as I see here at closing time. Perhaps they have the right idea.

Neil 27-04-2007 15:14

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 416518)
Perhaps they have the right idea.

So will you be drinking in moderation tomorrow night? :D

steeljack 27-04-2007 16:03

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didn't that stuff what you used to rub onto babies gums when they were teething have some sort of alcohol in it ? , I'm talking 30 or 40 years ago before this stuff what you buy now for temporary toothache relief .

probably on same shelf as the Fennings fever cure :D :D

shillelagh 27-04-2007 16:18

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A question for all you accywebbers - how many of you had a drink in a pub or club or out on the streets with your mates BEFORE you were 18?

grego 27-04-2007 17:46

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 416587)
A question for all you accywebbers - how many of you had a drink in a pub or club or out on the streets with your mates BEFORE you were 18?

I was 15 when I first went round town, though only had about 3 drinks, only had 2 quid and I wanted sausage and chips on the way home:)
I think if your children at a reasonable age are allowed wine with a meal or the odd taste then that should be ok.

SPUGGIE J 27-04-2007 18:43

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 416587)
A question for all you accywebbers - how many of you had a drink in a pub or club or out on the streets with your mates BEFORE you were 18?

Guilty as charged. :o

cashman 27-04-2007 19:28

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Guilty jen, first drink in australian down pleck 1962 :rolleyes:

grego 27-04-2007 19:35

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I dont think there's many people who do wait till the're 18, its not always the age that matters but how you treat it. I think the more a parent says no to alcohol the more a teenager would want it and there's always a way of getting it. I remember waiting outside Cellar 5 asking people going in to get me a bottle of Strongbow, I never had to wait long.

shillelagh 27-04-2007 20:56

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I'd best answer my own question before anyone tells me off!!!

Yes i was going round town at the age of 16 - in fact the first time i went down accy was on my 16th birthday - felt my age and me and my mate came back to baxenden got a couple of bottles of olde english and drank them walking along the back lane back to rising bridge.

Before that i was drinking in the pub - with my mum & dad in attendance. In fact the pub landlord when i was 16 and could go into the pub on my own refused to let me drink alcohol in the pub even if i was with my mum & dad until i was 18.

Eric 27-04-2007 21:30

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 416647)
Guilty jen, first drink in australian down pleck 1962 :rolleyes:

Surprise surprise; I was drinking in there in '60 when I was fifteen!

cashman 27-04-2007 22:20

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 416691)
Surprise surprise; I was drinking in there in '60 when I was fifteen!

beat ya by a year eric (14):D saw on news tonight Alcohol Concern say parents could be prosecuted for giving under 15s alcohol, what planet are these clowns on? on that basis most of europes mums n dads would be fined- they aint got the same problems abroad with drunken kids once again i say its all about the upbringing/enviroment than a 12/13 year old havin a shandy or a small wine etc on special occasions and they are that far up their own arses they cant see it.
:mad:

Remedi 27-04-2007 22:36

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Too many double standards- do as I say not as I do or more accurately as I did.

Eric 28-04-2007 09:52

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Originally Posted by Remedi (Post 416722)
Too many double standards- do as I say not as I do or more accurately as I did.

I don't think that it is a double standard. It is giving advice to one's kids based on one's experience. It is worse to say "It's ok because I did it when I was a lad."

garinda 28-04-2007 14:01

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I didn't really drink until I was fifteen, even though I first went clubbing at twelve. I used to drink whisky and dry ginger, probably because it tasted most like pop.:D

The first time I got drunk it was on barley wine, when I was sixteen, and I got quite fruity with my friend's mum, something she recently reminded me about.:o

LancYorkYankee 28-04-2007 22:51

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 416584)
didn't that stuff what you used to rub onto babies gums when they were teething have some sort of alcohol in it ? , I'm talking 30 or 40 years ago before this stuff what you buy now for temporary toothache relief .

probably on same shelf as the Fennings fever cure :D :D

We used straight whyskey on both our kids gums. I imagine the little bit of alcohol, besides numbing the gums also had a bit of a sedating effect. I guess it was just something handed down. Would not have any bother with the Government telling me I can't do these sort of things.

BEA

Eric 29-04-2007 00:11

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee (Post 417158)
We used straight whyskey on both our kids gums. I imagine the little bit of alcohol, besides numbing the gums also had a bit of a sedating effect. I guess it was just something handed down. Would not have any bother with the Government telling me I can't do these sort of things.

BEA

It's only encouraging bad drinking habits if you make them rinse with coke and ice.


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