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Just watched a news item wherin offenders in Drug related crimes are now given an informal talking to by a Judge and given a 'tough love hug';followed by daily drug tests.Trials in London show 40% of those thus trated do not reoffend this compares with higher reoffenders who receive custodial sentencing.
Oh and it's cheaper to keep the offender out of prison!:rolleyes:

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Have they thoroughly tested this theory out or just another massage of figures & hope:rolleyes:

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The latter I bet!

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i,m even more of a cynic with crap like this, Strangle a druggie is more like it.:D

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IMO it all depends on the person in question if a Addict wants to give up/get help then the idea is good.

If they are tying the soft approach with the hardcore group then it another system that would be taken advantage of.

Most arnt put in jail now anyway as they are to full, tag seems to be the new jail.

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So you are advocating murder are you, or are you trying to be amusing? I suspect that this is simply a comment borne of ignorance.
Drugs awareness training for people who have this attitude towards addicts should be compulsory perhaps we might then have better undertsanding, empathy and a unified desire to help people find a way out of the hell of drug dependency.
OR we could just 'strangle' them as you suggest- perhaps camps would be a good idea-then we could deal with the menatlly ill, physically disabled, offenders etc. etc.

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The drug addicts I've come into contact with via work, who were all receiving heroin substitute and supposedly wanted to give up, none of them actually managed it, most used to go straight to the public toilets were they had a buyer waiting then go and buy the real stuff. I'm not saying there aren't exceptions, but not many in my experience.

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So the answer is? Give up?, Stop trying?, Better access to decent detox programmes? Legalisation?

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I think you need to watch Jeremy Kyle & Tricha more Remedi, as was one on this morning had help in their area - had access to medical substitutes but still despite wrecking their families & losing kids they still hadn't the motivation to get it!!! Again symptomactic of a lazy blameless society & excuses :rolleyes:

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I dont know what the answer is Remedi, it would be great if all users wanted to give up and had the option of detox but we dont live in an ideal world. I dont think legalisation would solve the problem, though the users would then know exactly what they were taking and pushing drugs wouldn't be as lucrative therefore the dealers may dwindle.

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I would say that to twist and torture the statement ... which seems only to express cynicism and deep seated disgust at the palliative measures of government .... into an accusation of "advocating murder" and a thinly veieled allusory accusation of Nazism is taking it much too far.

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the comment was a cynical tongue in cheek remedi, after reading your comment i would be interested to know how many of these people YOU employ? seems to me society has gone down the pan today due to doogooders wearing tinted glasses.

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Always loved the term do-gooder- as a professional 'do gooder' myself I am quite proud of the title. At what point in history did doing good actually become a negative thing. Doesnt seem to make a lot of sense to me- if everyone in this country got up tommorrow morning and said 'do you know what I am actually do some good today'- that would be pretty cool to my way of thinking.
To answer your question ia m the Director of a charity woking with youth and adult offenders and the victims of their behaviour. I currently employ 35 staff with the further support of 40 volunteers. 6 of our staff team are ex-offenders (4 of whom had extensive drug and alcohol issues in the past) 12 of the staff team are ex- victims of crime. Our volunteer pool has 13 workers who are ex drug users. Hope this answers your question.
I particularly like your use of the term 'these people'- what do you mean, British citizens? or has the fact that they have problems make them lesser beings than your good self.

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How is the charity concerned funded ?

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Why would you want to know this?

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I was curious about the fact you employ 35 staff, I assume it's a big charity. I also want to make sure that as you deem everyone who asks questions about the legitimacy of immigration a racist I want to make sure I never contribute to your charity, although I suspect as a taxpayer I already do !!

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If someone gets hooked on prescribed drugs they have my sympathy,but for the majority with heroin,crack etc etc its self inflicted and I'm sorry if this upsets some people but who is to blame for that certainly not me!!!

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I wonder what that entails offenders & victims of what ???

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glad you love the term doogooder remedi, well how about doing something for the VICTIMS of these people(a term you dont seem to like) cos from where i,m standing there is far more victims than addicts, ie. people who are afraid in there own homes, families and people who have lost or nearly lost everything etc etc,lets be really radical and care about the VICTIMS.

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Here Here Cashy!!! :thumbsup:

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Firstly- as a taxpayer no you dont

Secondly- Get your facts right I have not claimed anyone with questions or concerns about immigration are racist- just the racist ones

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I particularly like your use of the term 'these people'- what do you mean, British citizens? or has the fact that they have problems make them lesser beings than your good self. -------------------as for that comment my arrogant friend,i have always lived by the maxim- I am better than NOBODY, NOBODY is better than me. and no i do not mean british citizens, it matters not to me 1 jot what anyone is racially, what DOES matter to me is decent people of any nationality or religion.

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At the minuite IMO I think quite alot of people have concerns to do with immigration but NO-ONE has made a racist comment I think you have NIT PICKED on a statement out of question.Its YOU that has the PROBLEM.:mad:

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If you bother to read the threads you might realise that working with victims is what I do every day of my working life. I work directly with the victims of crime and the offenders responsible for making them victims. These offences range from property theft to murder cases. As a result I feel I am qualified to speak with some authority on the subject. I am at a loss to understand your rant- if you actually had first hand experience of working in the criminal justice arena directly with victims and with offenders you might have a better understanding of the issues involved- not simply what you think you know. Dont patronise victims of crime.

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Trouble is certain do-gooders jump on the fact people have discussed their opinions on immigration - not on any fact of racism me thinks tho dost protest too much:rolleyes:

Also i think you ought to look up racism in a dictionary:rolleyes:

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So it's a secret then ?

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:mad: Thanks you just have & yes you are speaking to one of many that have been screwed thro the criminal justice system offenders get off lightly IMHO!!

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Actually I think two threads are being cross referenced here- this one and the one titled 'Beggars'.

Forgive me Accymel but the moment I take literacy advice from someone who advocates Jeremy Kyle and Trisha as a source for broadening understanding the I truly am lost.

I suggest you consider some of the postings on beggars- nothing racist there? Me thinks I dont protest enough!

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1. I just have what?

2. Offenders get off lightly- bit of a genearlisation dont you think?

But if you do firmly hold this belief- and of course you are completely entitled to- respect for that. I assume that you have been actively involved in trying to change the situation. Petition to Home office perhaps? becoming a magistrate? campaigning locally to challenge magistrate and crown court judgements through the local press?

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Yet again it is YOU doing what you are accusing the other person of,looks like a wanna be politician in the making.......................

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I am at a loss to understand your rant- if you actually had first hand experience of working in the criminal justice arena directly with victims and with offenders you might have a better understanding of the issues involved- not simply what you think you know. Dont patronise victims of crime.
Reply With Quote ------ you clever person you. i have been, my late wife was, my sister has been, my brother has been, and my late mum.also mother-in-law have been victims of crime, my rant that you cannot understand is more than justifiable, to me with the position you say you are in,combined with your arrogance,you will do far more harm than good.and you seem to think your 1 up on mother teresa.

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No point talking to u, you are obviously pro crime, rape murder & abuse of person & property, you have little idea of victims & what they go through without CHOICE! I have done successful campaigns pro victim thank you! ....end of!

Criminals have a CHOICE THEY CHOOSE TO COMMIT CRIMES!

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U dont belittle me u cant :D

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Wanna know what I recon????There is a certain person on here that could do with a bit of 'SALT & VINEGAR' to go with that'CHIP' on thier shoulder........................

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Clearly impossible to have any form of reasoned discussion without being misquoted also abundantly apparent that differences of opinion cannot be argued in any sort of constructive fashion. Good bye and have fun with your forum.

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thrown yer dummy out?

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DOnt slam the door on your way out, maybe u need to rethink your own behaviour before critizing anyone else for theirs:rolleyes:

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A certain Green Day tune springs to mind'Good Riddance'

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Am I not going to get an answer now then ? :(

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I dont think you was going to get a proper answer anyways:rolleyes:

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Home Office secret I guess ;)

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Probably MI5 secret service:rolleyes:

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Just what I thought earlier Dave:)

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i feel a song coming on= Are you P.B. in disguise?:Banane08:

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Despite the claim the charity is not being funded by taxpayers money I reckon it might be funded by Home Office research money. I await calrification :rolleyes:

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PB aka Gondola ?

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That wouldnt surprise me at all:rolleyes:

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Sad he's disapeared off line wonder if he'll be back???

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strange world dave ya just never know.:)

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When he's thought of something else to say:rolleyes: :D

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Phew...just as long as you're not the Director of literacy, that's alright.:D

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Thank you, we will.:)

Have a pork scratching before you leave.:D

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This is the guy who told Cyfr he'd "smoke a turd in hell" for actually daring to support a political party that Remedi doesn't approve of! :rolleyes:

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Shh!He might be watching!:p

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what a stupid, idiotic narrow minded, thing to say. Someone said earlier that Remedi was arrogant. I think it is you accymel and the rest of you that are arrogant. It seems to me that if you are not in the "ACCYWEB CLICK" then you have no right to express an opinion. Being the wife of Remedi i know that my husband does not support rape, murder and abuse you stupid bloody woman. How dare you suggest such a thing. My husband works bloody hard in supporting the victims of crime. Doesn't everyone deserve a second chance!.... end of!

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One person has a view which is different to many, yet the many are in the wrong. I can't figure that one out. I'ts okay to have a negative opinion of somebody's political party but when the boot is on the other foot a 'clique' is mentioned.

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no it isn't

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Oh dear i think your very clouded & automatically want to defend your hubby, ah well someone has too:rolleyes:

Im my own person & will not be controlled in forming my own opinion thankyou & if u think thats arrogant then shame on you:D

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So it's still a secret then ?

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reading the previous comments you are right i shouldn't have called it a click. It's now coming back to me why i left accrington in the first place, it's a town of narrow minded bigots.

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it's interesting isn't it that accymel hasn't responded to my message

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I suggest you check again

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Someone needs specsavers:D

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totally agree with you flash....freedom of speech is everything

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As everyone else is expressing their opinion then you must also agree with them :confused:

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i do, i was agreeing with flash about freedom of speech, each to there own i say, if someone wants to say something then let them, lifes too short

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lol, but she is complaining about what people are saying. Anyone who disagrees with her husbands views are narrow minded bigots. Hardly free speech she is advocating :D

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but everyone has the right to there own opinion of things Dave, whether we like it or not, thats life

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Something of an over-generalisation? Still, I suppose you're happier in the haven of free-thinking, progressive-minded souls that you currently inhabit. Incidentally, I see that the BNP are fielding a record 18 candidates in the local elections in Barnsley.

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Just read through all the posts & I can't believe how misunderstood people have been, to the extent of calling Remedi 'pro-rape' !?!
Then in true AccyWeb tradition the clique go on to attempt to humiliate the person who is expressing completely valid facts and opinions.
Embarrassing.

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must i agree with you on this one? this will happen once and once only :D

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Did you miss the original suggestion of somebody being pro-murder ?

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The clique, by which I presume you mean the more regular Accy Web posters, disagree as well as agree with each other on numerous topics. It would be pretty boring if everyone agreed with everyone else all the time.

As far as I know an Accy Web clique doesn't exist, and have a unilateral posting policy....if they have I haven't been asked to join.

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I certainly did not ... this reference to murder and the 'camps' comment . was,I believe,R's first post in this little chat. When one begins a discussion with an angry, knee-jerk misinterpretation and accusation, down is the only place to go.

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If there is a way to help those who want help then it has to be tried regardless of the minority that extract the urine. If society has to have a chance of reducing these kinds of crime its a case of if you dont succeed the try try again. Without an approach that is different if not radical then what chance do we have of finding a lasting solution to all these ills. If we keep knocking and deriding these efforts we will have at best a status quo at worst
a lot more of the same ills. Give them a chance for all our sakes.

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Exactly! It's not the views that Remedi was espousing that caused the problem - after all, many others have put forward similarly liberal views without all this furore. Rather, it was the high-handed, patronising manner in which they were expressed. People do not like being talked down to, whatever their political stripe!

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If there is anyone who sympathises with Mr & Mrs Remedi how could they make a donation to the organisation of which Remedi claims to be a director when he won't even tell us the name of his charity?

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I would hazard a guess at this given it's location and that of the posters;

http://www.remediuk.org/

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You could be bang on there.:) I think the 2006 Annual Report is somewhat of a misnomer. What does it actually report ?

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Thanks for that, Dave, quite interesting stuff. If he'd hung around, he could've explained to us more about how it works and what sort of success rate they have - he might even have been able to alter the perceptions of "hang 'em, whip 'em, flog 'em" types like myself! But now he's taken his ball and gone home, we'll never know.

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It reports on where the funding comes from :)

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A little delving has reavealed more detail if you can be bothered to wade through it:
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/...050331_E_C.pdf