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I am now worried that my time on earth just like my fathers and my grandfathers has been wasted, how someone so young and innocent as you can be corrupted in the fashion that you so obviously have, you should be enjoying life, kicking against the traces and then when you have a real need to be greedy become a conservative, this is too early in your life!:D

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Well as I understand it the mines were not economically viable as its much cheaper to import as its so expensive to extract it here,-----------never will i agree with that cyfr, if you would care to go into the history deeper you will discover that many of the pits WERE economically viable, it was all about CRUSHING SCARGILL. who love him or hate him was CORRECT the only way he was wrong - was he UNDERESTIMATED the pit closures, pity the tory press dont tell that story.:(

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Well I have only heard that part from word of mouth but its from various people who either teach politics or are quite in the know, and none of them are Conservatives infact the teachers of politics that says they're not economicly viable hates Thatcher and is in the same position as some of you that he won't vote Conservative because of her.

But if you have some links to contridict this i'd love to take a read! I can be happily corrected :D

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Whilst I appreciate your view, myself and my family suffered under the Tories. It is very hard trying to bring up a family when your income is drastically cut.

There was so much real financial hardship caused by the poll tax, I will always remember a man who I worked with breaking down in tears because he had no idea how he would pay the 1st year's bills. He was a tough ex soldier, with a wife and 3 small children, who came to work on a bike to save money. The only way he could pay the bill was for them to eat less food. He was worried he would be taken to court for being poor.

It is thing like this that make you hate the Tories.

Also the stupid YTS schemes. which exploited youg workers then consigned them to the scrapheap after 2 years because there was a another new supply to take on.

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I believe that a pit (I think its in South Yorkshire) is to be reopened.

I agree with Cashman - Thatcher wanted to crush the workers and decided to start with Scargill.

In an earlier post you said Unions were unelected - but the members of each union elect the officiers at branch, regional and national level, so I fail to see how they are not elected.

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Somewhere between 200, to 400 years worth of coal will never be mined because the pits have been closed and neglected, they could never be opened again and for how long will it be 'economical' to import coal from other countries?
Everybody is on the global warming band wagon, so just using that as a modern day example must mean that environmentally alone moving heavy coal half way around the world would make closing the pits seem stupid.

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cfyr why do you need links? you can read any old crap on the net by so called experts etc.as well as good info, you cannot know the differance? i tend to listen to people who have the T-Shirt. of all sectors, then i consider and make my mind up. i dont ignore the net, but i dont take it as gospel.

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thats been on the news in the last couple of months approx over 100 years of coal in the seam they are going to reopen,and yer correct it is in yorkshire

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Because they're not elected by anyone except the members of the union. So institutions that are not elected by the majority of people shouldn't have the power to bring the country to a standstill against workers wishes.

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and you would know:confused: the miners union voted to SAVE jobs not for MONEY by a MASSIVE majority over 90%. and i and many non pit-workers supported them, some of us financially as well.

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Maybe some unions had too much power, but without their formation in the first place, the vast majority of people living in this country would still be living in poverty.

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Torys won again in our borough...GOD HELP US....I hoped it might be a reversal of fortunes ....:eek:

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im afraid p b is grinnig from ear to ear once again. its the voters we have to thank for that

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they won in ours granny, but they LOST in our ward= there is a god.:D

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i just cant uderstand it, most people seem to have a strong dislike for pb than how is it that he gets the votes