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Gayle 16-05-2007 19:36

Gordon got it.
 
So Gordon Brown is the new leader of the Labour party - no contest.

But who will get the deputy job. Our own Greg Pope has supported Hilary Benn, Burnley's MP, Kitty Ussher and Rossendales MP Janet Anderson are backing Hazel Blears and Jack Straw hasn't said yet.

So, question to Greg, if the vote is thrown open to Labour party members, (will that happen?) why should my vote go to Benn - or anyone else for that matter?

WillowTheWhisp 16-05-2007 19:38

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Well what a surprise! :D

lancsdave 16-05-2007 19:40

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Gayle, out of curiosity, should labour party members feel cheated they didn't get round to having a say in the new leader ?

accymel 16-05-2007 19:44

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Quite a surpise - NOT LOL!!!:D

Gayle 16-05-2007 19:45

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Personally, I'm not that bothered. In some ways you have to say that it makes sense for the people with the most knowledge in this situation to make the decision. I suspect some people will feel cheated but I guess the outcome was always expected to be this one.

Margaret Pilkington 16-05-2007 20:33

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Yes, no surprises there then.
If he follows his promises to listen to the people, and give them more power and responsibility then maybe he will be able to restore some confidence in the party. We will just have to wait and see if he is as good as his word - or if talk is cheap, action expensive!

SPUGGIE J 16-05-2007 20:38

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I dont trust him and proberly never will. Think the so called selection process was a sham. I would need to see the goods to consider a changing my views then it would have to be a miricle.

Margaret Pilkington 16-05-2007 20:42

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No Spuggie, I don't trust him either. But then I can't really point to a politician that I could trust to hold my glasses, let alone power over the country.

mthead 16-05-2007 20:58

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Cue anybody that dont like him singing the Old Jilted John Song 'Gordon is a Moron'

shillelagh 16-05-2007 21:06

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I dont think i even voted for tony blair back in whenever ive slept since then!!!

I feel cheated. I should have had the choice of voting for my leader.

And for all those that didnt know - i am a labour party member and have been since i was 16.

mallard 16-05-2007 21:39

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you only see them when they want your vote,s but they still only line there own pocket,s thats what i think any way

mthead 16-05-2007 21:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 425689)
I dont think i even voted for tony blair back in whenever ive slept since then!!!

I feel cheated. I should have had the choice of voting for my leader.

And for all those that didnt know - i am a labour party member and have been since i was 16.

We all have a cross to bare.:D

SPUGGIE J 16-05-2007 21:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mthead (Post 425683)
Cue anybody that dont like him singing the Old Jilted John Song 'Gordon is a Moron'

Most of the Kingdom of Fife at the mo. :D

davo69 16-05-2007 22:07

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no democracie no hope god help us wish he would go back to is own country

SPUGGIE J 16-05-2007 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 425740)
no democracie no hope god help us wish he would go back to is own country

Hell no we dont want him!! Sell him to a foriegn country preferabley one that would make him disappear if he fails.

cashman 16-05-2007 22:20

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its simple to me n i aint overkeen on him, but the guys got enough votes to make a contest a non event, let him get on with his plans whilst blairs away on his line yer pockets holiday.

garinda 16-05-2007 22:59

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All the political pundits are expressing suprise and regret that there won't be an election contest, but as far as I remember New Labour were quite clear of their intentions at the last General Election. Vote Tony, and you'll get Gordy half way through the term. No real big suprises here.

jackyalex 16-05-2007 23:00

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[quote=Gayle;425610]So Gordon Brown is the new leader of the Labour party - no contest.

oh well never mind,whens the next general election?anyone know

mthead 16-05-2007 23:01

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[quote=jackyalex;425840]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 425610)
So Gordon Brown is the new leader of the Labour party - no contest.

oh well never mind,whens the next general election?anyone know

Dont think he will be PM after that.IMHO:)

garinda 16-05-2007 23:04

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Apparently the Queen's quite keen on the canny Scot, as he's keen to keep the union of the United Kingdom, and doesn't favour anymore devolution.

I just hope he sorts out the fact that Scottish MPs can, and do, vote on issues which only apply to English law, and not Scottish.

jackyalex 16-05-2007 23:05

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whats happening to the uk,its falling apart

mthead 16-05-2007 23:06

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Still think he will only be pm for a short time.Next election and I think he will be in opposition.

Neil 16-05-2007 23:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425845)
I just hope he sorts out the fact that Scottish MPs can, and do, vote on issues which only apply to English law, and not Scottish.

And while he is at it I expect free prescriptions for all like in Wales

andrewb 16-05-2007 23:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425832)
All the political pundits are expressing suprise and regret that there won't be an election contest, but as far as I remember New Labour were quite clear of their intentions at the last General Election. Vote Tony, and you'll get Gordy half way through the term. No real big suprises here.

I thought he said "I will serve for a full term"

garinda 16-05-2007 23:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mthead (Post 425852)
Still think he will only be pm for a short time.Next election and I think he will be in opposition.

Go on Meaty, according to your swing-o-meter, who is going to win then?

It might be worth a bet.:D

mthead 16-05-2007 23:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425857)
Go on Meaty, according to your swing-o-meter, who is going to win then?

It might be worth a bet.:D

Who do you think now thats a question:D

jackyalex 16-05-2007 23:10

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dont think its gonna be labour

garinda 16-05-2007 23:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mthead (Post 425859)
Who do you think now thats a question:D

All the polls have the Tories ahead at the moment, but that's very often the case mid term for any government. Come the next election, I think people will vote with their wallets, and if the economy is still strong. Labour will win, but with a much reduced majority. The war will lose them votes to the Liberals, and I predict a poor showing by the Conservatives. Who besides having a fairly charismatic leader, have very little substance, no track record, and very few stated policies which differ greatly from anything New Labour are doing.



(Remember it was I who won an acker fortune, predicting the winner of Big Brother in 2005.):D

mthead 16-05-2007 23:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425865)
All the polls have the Tories ahead at the moment, but that's very often the case mid term for any government. Come the next election, I think people will vote with their wallets, and if the economy is still strong. Labour will win, but with a much reduced majority. The war will lose them votes to the Liberals, and I predict a poor showing by the Conservatives. Who besides having a fairly charismatic leader, have very little substance, no track record, and very few stated policies which differ greatly from anything New Labour are doing.



(Remember it was I who won an acker fortune, predicting the winner of Big Brother in 2005.):D

Well I'm really sorry to disapiont people but I will admit 'I have never voted Labour'in my life and wont.Think Rindy knows this:D So I think this answers your question sort of Rindy mate:p :D

Neil 16-05-2007 23:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425865)
Remember it was I who won an acker fortune, predicting the winner of Big Brother in 2005.:D

We all know that is fixed anyway, like most of these TV phone in and make the programme lots of money shows.

garinda 16-05-2007 23:26

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Originally Posted by mthead (Post 425868)
Well I'm really sorry to disapiont people but I will admit 'I have never voted Labour'in my life and wont.Think Rindy knows this:D So I think this answers your question sort of Rindy mate:p :D

I think it's nice when losers are brave.:D

davo69 16-05-2007 23:27

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not hered of lamb car bonora before

garinda 16-05-2007 23:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 425870)
We all know that is fixed anyway, like most of these TV phone in and make the programme lots of money shows.

No that was the year when I hadn't sha....met anybody from Big Brother.

Wasn't fixed, I used my powers of deduction.:)

mthead 16-05-2007 23:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425871)
I think it's nice when losers are brave.:D

Me brave:) You know what I mean mate:D

garinda 16-05-2007 23:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mthead (Post 425877)
Me brave:) You know what I mean mate:D

Lol, I do. Was just been cheeky.:rolleyes: :D

mthead 16-05-2007 23:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425879)
Lol, I do. Was just been cheeky.:rolleyes: :D

But I do think Mr.Cameron will be PM after next election:p :D :D :D PMSL

garinda 16-05-2007 23:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mthead (Post 425881)
But I do think Mr.Cameron will be PM after next election:p :D :D :D PMSL

Maybe, if he goes the whole hog, and veers even more to the centre, and walks across the floor of the House of Commons.;)

mthead 16-05-2007 23:38

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425887)
Maybe, if he goes the whole hog, and veers even more to the centre, and walks across the floor of the House of Commons.;)

I hope he has had a drink and wonders slightly right:D :D :p

grannyclaret 16-05-2007 23:43

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I rather fancy Alister Darling but i think he is too quiet

mthead 16-05-2007 23:58

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Just looked at the title whats this about catching a dose:confused: :D

andrewb 17-05-2007 07:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425865)
All the polls have the Tories ahead at the moment, but that's very often the case mid term for any government. Come the next election, I think people will vote with their wallets, and if the economy is still strong. Labour will win, but with a much reduced majority. The war will lose them votes to the Liberals, and I predict a poor showing by the Conservatives. Who besides having a fairly charismatic leader, have very little substance, no track record, and very few stated policies which differ greatly from anything New Labour are doing.



(Remember it was I who won an acker fortune, predicting the winner of Big Brother in 2005.):D

They're already pointing out the direction they're going and im 100% sure there will be substance soon. Have to time it right so Labour dont just steal the ideas and implement them like they've already started to do.

Of course the electorate need to know what they're voting for, but they can't vote yet so it would be a waste of time releasing all the policies 3years in advance when we have no idea what the political, social or economic climate will be like.

garinda 17-05-2007 07:35

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 425929)
They're already pointing out the direction they're going and im 100% sure there will be substance soon. Have to time it right so Labour dont just steal the ideas and implement them like they've already started to do.

That's a laugh. The Tories are becoming more like mirror images of New Labour every day.

andrewb 17-05-2007 08:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 425931)
That's a laugh. The Tories are becoming more like mirror images of New Labour every day.

Its arguably the other way around, Labour came over to the right wing territory back in 94 and since

garinda 17-05-2007 10:38

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 425954)
Its arguably the other way around, Labour came over to the right wing territory back in 94 and since

Come off it. The hug a hoodie Conservative party of today, are as far away fron the hang 'em and flog 'em Tories of old, as is possible to be. That daft tree is taking a leaf, if you'll excuse the pun, from the Greens. What happened to the free market economy and ****** the consequences to the environment? Oh yes, that's right the New Conservative party has moved so far to the left that they now care about every liberal issue.

SPUGGIE J 17-05-2007 10:48

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Well now that they have dropped there support for the breeding ground of YCM's ie Grammer School where will they find new members and supporters like our Cyfr now?

Ianto.W. 17-05-2007 11:11

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Personally I think Gordon Brown has a little more backbone than Tony Blair, he has in my opinion done a good job as Chancellor of the Exchequer.
I honestly believe if he had got the job in the first place we would not have been in Iraq or Afganistan, good luck to him, as he has quite a mess to clear up after Dubyas Poodle.

grannyclaret 17-05-2007 11:15

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I just dont trust Gordon Brown,,, theres something shifty about him,but i cant put my finger on it .:idunno:

Ianto.W. 17-05-2007 11:36

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 426002)
I just dont trust Gordon Brown,,, theres something shifty about him,but i cant put my finger on it .:idunno:

We mighn't get a bit more off him for pensions now GC you never know he may be monitoring this site as we speak;) :D

Greg Pope 17-05-2007 12:01

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To answer Gayle's original question, yes, every member of the Labour Party will get a vote in the Deputy Leadership contest. Personally, I would have liked to have seen a proper contest for the leadership as well but in the end there was no serious challenger to Gordon. I wouldn't presume to try and tell anyone who to vote for - in my opinion there is little to choose between most of the candidates which is reflected in the fact that they all got a similar number of nominations.

Neil 17-05-2007 12:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Pope (Post 426016)
To answer Gayle's original question................

I would have thought you would have chosen red text for your post not blue Greg, you're not about to jump ship are you? :rolleyes::D

Greg Pope 17-05-2007 13:34

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Certainly not - you'll not catch me hugging a hoody, unlike Eton's finest!:)

I use blue text in all my e-mails. I just like the colour.

Gayle 17-05-2007 14:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Pope (Post 426016)
To answer Gayle's original question, yes, every member of the Labour Party will get a vote in the Deputy Leadership contest. Personally, I would have liked to have seen a proper contest for the leadership as well but in the end there was no serious challenger to Gordon. I wouldn't presume to try and tell anyone who to vote for - in my opinion there is little to choose between most of the candidates which is reflected in the fact that they all got a similar number of nominations.


I don't want you to tell me how to vote - what I was asking was why he got your nomination, you know him better than us. I've already received information from Hazel Blears and her supporters.

g jones 17-05-2007 15:53

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I would like to have seen a contest as well. Debate is good for democracy.

One redeeming quality of Gordon I hope is that his dourness and long answers actually represents more honesty and less soundbite politics.

I agree with Greg, the candidates for Deputy are much of a muchness but like Greg, my choice is Hilary Benn for his honesty and genuiness.

andrewb 17-05-2007 15:54

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Originally Posted by Greg Pope (Post 426039)
Certainly not - you'll not catch me hugging a hoody, unlike Eton's finest!:)

I use blue text in all my e-mails. I just like the colour.

I don't think he ever said that did he. :confused:

I'd have liked to see a contest. Even if I couldn't vote it would give some sense of democracy taking place rather than a coronation of a chancellor whos of course, done great things, but totally incapable of admiting where he has been wrong such as pensions and selling off our gold reserves cheaply losing billions, more than Black Wednesday.

claytonender 17-05-2007 23:02

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I would have liked to see a Leadership Election, but sadly there is not to be one. Like Greg and Graham I shall be voting for Hilary Benn.

garinda 17-05-2007 23:37

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 426093)
I don't think he ever said that did he. :confused:

I'd have liked to see a contest. Even if I couldn't vote it would give some sense of democracy taking place rather than a coronation of a chancellor whos of course, done great things, but totally incapable of admiting where he has been wrong such as pensions and selling off our gold reserves cheaply losing billions, more than Black Wednesday.

'Dave' just yesterday back tracked on his reported hug a hoodie quote from last year. According to the Daily Mail he's getting tough on crime, though its not quite clear if he's advocating happy slapping a hoodie...just yet.:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

alan7554 18-05-2007 10:32

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he may have more backbone that tony blair,but he has one less eye,and as he is scottish and is a member of the scottish parliament(different laws to us ) how can he then govern great britain when he is subject to 2 different sets of rules (i think)

Ianto.W. 18-05-2007 11:55

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Originally Posted by alan7554 (Post 426534)
he may have more backbone that tony blair,but he has one less eye,and as he is scottish and is a member of the scottish parliament(different laws to us ) how can he then govern great britain when he is subject to 2 different sets of rules (i think)

I think if you'r going to go down that road, we all ought to look at our backgrounds you'll probably find a bit of Scot/Irish/
Welsh and just maybe a little English. I challenge anyone on this site to prove the are pure bred English men/women.

andrewb 18-05-2007 16:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 426463)
'Dave' just yesterday back tracked on his reported hug a hoodie quote from last year. According to the Daily Mail he's getting tough on crime, though its not quite clear if he's advocating happy slapping a hoodie...just yet.:D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Just to clarify, he wasnt backtracking, just clearing it up for people who mistakenly thought hed said it.


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