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today a neighbour came around to tell me that our local housing association has had a complaint about the kids in our area,a neighbour has complained saying that the kids are kicking footballs into his driveway,now these teens have been hanging around outside where we live but only 1 (a girl ) lives here,the rest are boys from the village (who do not live in the h/a houses) that have been playing with the football,the neighbour (not a tenant) has complained and our h/a has been out to see him and has given him a video camera to film the kids and to get evidence of whats going on,now my problem is my 4-7-9 yr olds play out the front of our house where the teens play, my question is why have the h/a not informed me that they have allowed the filming of kids including mine without my consent,i only found out because the h/a told the tenant who,s daughter hangs around with the lads otherwise i would not have known,do i not have rights in the sense that i dont want my kids filmed,

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I'm not sure where you stand legally Jacky, I know I wouldn't want anyone filming my kids without me knowing.

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Seems like a bit of a legal grey area. Can understand why they want evidence but young kids at play is something different. Citizens Advice for this one is your best bet then you can be sure where you stand.

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thanks for the advice i think i will give both the h/a and the cab a ring tomorrow,hope that he hasnt done any filming yet,just told hubby on phone at work about it he's going mad about it,hate to see whats gona happen when he gets back home in the morning

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id have gone round and told him he cant film my kids, and play hell to the housing association!

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ive never seen the fella before,its only a small village with 6 h/a houses,but yeah you live in social housing and you get the blame for everything,you would think that the h/a would have done some research to find out if the lads did actually live in there houses,which they dont

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whos the h/a you with if you dont mind me asking?

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three rivers im in the north east

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never heard of them!

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only in the north east from northumberland to north yorkshire

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this might seem a bit rash but phone the police and tell them that a man has been filming your kids - give his address and you can bet your last biscuit they will be at his door in no time, they will ask if he has been doing so and if he says yes they will obviously ask why ? - then you will find out if its legal or not - and whether you should have been informed - if its not leagl then thats a matter between the guy and the police to sort out but like I say - it might sound rash but cuts out the middle man so to speak and will get you the answer you require double quick..

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thought ya was local jackyalex:o

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good thinking,but i think the thought of knowing he's there filming whilst my kids are there,and my 4yr old daughter who plays out in her school skirt,i dont even want to think about it,this man could be a pedophile and use thse imiges before he gives the camera back to the h/a

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i am a distant local , born in b'burn raised in accy moved few yrs ago

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if it was me - personally speaking I would pin him to a wall if I found out he was filming my kids - seriously, he can explain after I have let go of his neck, and then I would call the police - if he wants to argue about it then thats fine with me, but I would probably be on an assault charge, - when its something like that - actions first police second - but thats my own opinion,

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glasgow guy is right you cant even film your own kids in a school play any more get the police to pay a visit dont wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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which i think is so bloody stupid!!,:mad:

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such a sad world

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its not the world thats sad just the pervs in it davo69!

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yes your right we all get penolised for a minoriti

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you can still film your kids at our school but theres a process to go through,1st you have to inform the school that you want to film for eg.sportsday then the school inform all parents that you want to they then the parents have to give their written concent saying if you can or cant,if someone says no then you cant film or take pictures,but we havnt had that yet

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i have videos lots of my son and daughter which i cherish playing football sports days school plays all taken at school or football games

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Is this true ? the question is are there more perverts around ? (do the figures support it ?)or is it just more mass hysteria whipped up by the tabloid press like the Diana death/funeral, everyone of a certain age remembers being kids when Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were doing their evil , but it didn't cause the national/worldwide paranoia that seems to be the case these days.
Everyone knew and warned young lads/kids to stay away from places ( certain town center public convieniences/certain stretchs of the canal bank/ areas of the barbary coast in Blackburn) where the 'flashers and gropers hung out so its not a new phenomenon .

:confused: :confused:

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They don't tell you because if it gets back to the ones they are after there might be reprisals. The man doing the filming might find all his windows put through or worse.

I suspect that you will be the first to complain to the housing association when one of these kids hanging around throws a brick through your window. Then you will be asking what they are going to do about it and they might lend you a camcorder to catch them in the act next time. We are all filmed as we go about our daily lives. We are supposed to be having a full sized CCTV camera about 30 yards from my house. I think everyone should have cameras around their house, I have. With enough CCTV coverage we should be able to catch the local nuisance offenders.

Here is a quote from this thread
And a couple from the Missing Maddie thread
I am sorry but you can't have it both ways. Not all CCTV used to catch criminals is Police CCTV, a large proportion of it is private and shop CCTV etc. Do you complain that your little girl is being filmed as she chooses her sweeties in the corner shop? How do you know the shop owner is not a perv?

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[quote=Neil;426481]They don't tell you because if it gets back to the ones they are after there might be reprisals. The man doing the filming might find all his windows put through or worse.

I suspect that you will be the first to complain to the housing association when one of these kids hanging around throws a brick through your window. Then you will be asking what they are going to do about it and they might lend you a camcorder to catch them in the act next time. We are all filmed as we go about our daily lives. We are supposed to be having a full sized CCTV camera about 30 yards from my house. I think everyone should have cameras around their house, I have. With enough CCTV coverage we should be able to catch the local nuisance offenders.

why would i inform the h/a if the kids dont live here,what does it have to do with the h/a if a non h/a tenant throws a brick through my window,and as for cctv in shops we know they are there,i wasnt informed by the h/a that he was given the camera to film my kids,the fact is its a ball going into the neighbours drive,the kids are going in and getting the ball nothing else,its not the kids from the h/a that are kicking the ball into his drive ,so what has it got to do with the h/a,are you telling me that you dont mind anyone filming your kids because thats how your coming accross

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I did not say I would not mind my kids being videoed. What I was trying to say was that I don't mind CCTV being used to reduce crime/sort out social nuisance etc. Unfortunately the two go hand in hand. I have a camera on my house. I have not told anyone but the Police seem to know it is there, I have had them ask if I could look at a certain time to see if anything was captured after an incident a few weeks ago.

Do you use the bus? Many buses now have CCTV fitted. Do you use Taxi's, same there.

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no i drive,my kids are too young to use a bus/taxi its 3 buses to our nearest town ,i understand that the 2 go hand in hand but my points are why have our h/a who the neighbour is not a tenant of,been given a camera from the h/a to film kids that are from the h/a and neighbouring houses,when the kids that are kicking the football into his drive are not from the h/a,and not informed me a tenant that my kids may be caught on film,im not having a go at you neil im just concerned for my kids

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Have you contacted your housing officer to find out?

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yes the person im suppose to speak to isnt in until 10.30 today

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just phoned my h/a who has told me that the anti social behavior bloke isnt in until 12 ,and he will explain the to me the in's and out's, so im told,i will keep you posted when i find out more

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Please do.

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You say on his driveway?

Surely he is filming on his driveway only then, your kids shouldnt be in there???

Also do you know what type of camera he has been given? is it one he can recover film or onto a hard disc so only the H/A people can view it.

I totally agree with regards to the filming of kids is a BIG NO NO, but is this person actually filming the kids or just his own property,boundary??

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i phoned just after 12 he's not back yet i was told he will ring me when he gets in,but as for your point mr d ,i havnt been given any info from the h/a about anything,the driveway is where the kids are kicking the ball,and if you see what i first wrote i said its not any kids from our h/a houses that are kicking the ball onto the mans drive, this mans drive is on the main road my kids stay on our drive that is blocked off and down the side of his drive,you cant get to his drive from anywhere but the main road,the info i was given from my nextdoor neighbour (not the complainant)was that the h/a came out told him why he has been given a camera,we havnt been told if it is only his drive he is allowed to film if this is the case then thats fine as my kids dont go onto his drive,i dont see where youve got (that my kids go on his drive)ive stressed this in my thread

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I didnt state your kids go on to his drive, but if thats all he is filming/ allowed to film then there shouldnt be a problem.

I know the council (as example) has some sofisticated cameras that can be aquired to help film anti social neighbours, and can be used in court as evidence.

Can you not just ask the neighbour what his intentions are with the camera and voice your concerns.

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i have never seen the man to date,im just waiting on a call from the anti social officer from our h/a to ring me,to explain whats going on,as all the info i have is what the h/a have said to my neighbour

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well just got the news from the h/a saying that he can only use the camera on his drive his front door and his back door,i was told that if he is seen using it in any other way that we have to contact the police,the h/a explained to the man that he cannot use it other than the three area's said,now i need not worry,do you know i feel that i may have overeacted,but it was only for the protection of my kids

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no you didnt over react, you just did what most of us parents would have done!

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Better safe than sorry.

Burn his house down now.:D

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It is a fine line. Would you be pleased if he videoed someone beating your kids up and they caught the attackers?

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When kids are involved over reaction can be expected.

Although at least you did something about it if he was a weido you would of been on to him, and now you know where he is allowed to film you can rest easy.:)

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I agree you've every right to over react Jacky, I would have done the same and infact I dont think you did over react you had a right to know.

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Like you said, you needed information. What you did was sensible, and wasn't an over reaction.