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glasgow guy 20-05-2007 09:32

idiot drunken teens, 1.20am and no police !!
 
at 1.20 am this morning we (along with the whole street!) were awoken by what must have been about 35 drunken teens fighting at the top of our street - and the majority of them were girls, it was a real battle with screaming, shouting, swearing, tears the whole lot and drunken boys also trying to get in on the act too, after about 10 mins they were not giving up so I went to call the police and gave the accy station a ring as by this point it was a full scale fight, the reply I got was 'sorry there is no one here to take your call right now':mad: :mad: ...what a joke, tried 3 times and no answer, so went back to bed and had to wait until the idiotic, thick children gave up and went home - the clueless wasters finally wandered off at 1.45 am...
I hope there parents are soooo proud of them bringing them up like that and I hope the wasters are all sick due to being drunk and in pain after their fighting last night..:mad: :mad: :mad:

rant over with.

Mick 20-05-2007 09:35

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I thought Accy police station closed at 8pm and you had to ring the one at whiteburk(Greenbank) ?:confused:
could be wrong though
I know how you felt though we get them in our street sometimes shouting throwing bottles,there was one time they where fighting and one lad was out cold on the ground,the police did come you could here the sirens in the distance by the time they got there everyone had gone.
the guy on the ground had been picked up and taken to a house down the street somewhere so there was nothing the police could do this was at 2-30am as well

mez 20-05-2007 09:39

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you should have rung 999 it gets um there quicker ......not many police on in accy at night ...................what a ruddy pain to be awakened at that time in a morning they need locking up & treating as criminals for the night & fined ..then see how the parents react to being woken up at an unearthly hour to be told your son/daughter is in the cells ..pick them up at 7-30pm when they will be charged in front of you.

glasgow guy 20-05-2007 09:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 427353)
I thought Accy police station closed at 8pm and you had to ring the one at whiteburk ?
could be wrong though

I had no idea is closed at that time:confused: and had no idea to call the one at whiteburk

and I didnt want to call 999 as I didnt know whether to class it as a 999 case or whether the presence of a car and 2 policemen would have broekn it up/moved them all away..

cashman 20-05-2007 10:04

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thats just the kind of service everyone payes their taxes for.:rolleyes:

grego 20-05-2007 10:16

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Exactly Cashy its now part of your council tax, I think the least they could do would be transfer the call automatically to the open police station.

suzster 20-05-2007 11:14

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I would still report it today, and get a log number for it - that way if it becomes a problem again next week they won't just class it as a 'one off'.

Suz x.

Neil 20-05-2007 11:21

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I would have called 999 and told them it looked like some youths were being beaten up by a gang.

***Mr D*** 20-05-2007 11:29

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Its like that where I live every weeked.:mad:

Women seem to be the worse.

Wouldnt be so bad if you could go and ask them to move on, but doing that would probably make you a target.:(

Ber999T 20-05-2007 11:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzster (Post 427370)
I would still report it today, and get a log number for it - that way if it becomes a problem again next week they won't just class it as a 'one off'.

Suz x.


Been told by mate in Police that if you log it they can then try to put patrol in area if more troubles in next few weeks/months

mthead 20-05-2007 12:38

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I thought it put you straight through greenbank when Accy station is closed.Well thats whats happened when I've had to ring anytime:confused:

panther 20-05-2007 12:43

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:( you know, i never knew that about the accy police station being shut at night!!!, they should be on call 24/7, and its no good coming from blackburn either, bloody stupid, as someone as already said what the hell is my council tax going on??:mad:

but i sometimes think, what if the station was open, would they have come quick???
i doubt it!!

Sara 20-05-2007 19:55

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Can't understand why they put the sirens on late at night when going to any trouble. Obviously the ones that are doing the fighting will scarper as soon as they hear the police approaching. Or is that what the police want them to do.

Neil 20-05-2007 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mthead (Post 427392)
I thought it put you straight through greenbank when Accy station is closed.Well thats whats happened when I've had to ring anytime:confused:

I thought they phoned you tell you they have Tinks banged up for drunk and disorderly most weekends :D:D:D

steeljack 20-05-2007 20:04

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Originally Posted by Sara (Post 427516)
Can't understand why they put the sirens on late at night when going to any trouble. Obviously the ones that are doing the fighting will scarper as soon as they hear the police approaching. Or is that what the police want them to do.

it's a safety thing , gives a bit more warning to other motorists when approaching red lights , think its the law that you have to slow down and pullover if you see flashing lights or hear sirens , supposed to enable emergency services reach the incident site faster :) :)

mallard 20-05-2007 21:42

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I agree with what mez say,s phone 999 if it happen,s again

glasgow guy 20-05-2007 21:48

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if it happens again I will go out and give them something to shout about...

cherokee 20-05-2007 21:56

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its a pain ,, similar thing happened on our rd some months back now where there was a huge crowd of kids jumping in and out of gardens/riding up and down on a mini moto thing must have been about 2 am ish i just phoned 999 and they soon dispersed...

Tealeaf 21-05-2007 13:15

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The correct procedure is to phone 999, tell the operator about the disturbance but also tell him that you may have seen a gun in the pocession of one of the kids. With a bit of luck, armed cops will turn up and blow half the little brats away before questions are asked.

cashman 21-05-2007 14:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 427724)
The correct procedure is to phone 999, tell the operator about the disturbance but also tell him that you may have seen a gun in the pocession of one of the kids. With a bit of luck, armed cops will turn up and blow half the little brats away before questions are asked.

there speaks a man after me own heart.:D

glasgow guy 21-05-2007 18:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 427724)
The correct procedure is to phone 999, tell the operator about the disturbance but also tell him that you may have seen a gun in the pocession of one of the kids. With a bit of luck, armed cops will turn up and blow half the little brats away before questions are asked.

:D :D now theres an idea...how funny would that be....
'hello operator..theres a huge riot at the top of my street and someone has what looks like a handgun'....

I would get the deckchairs & popcorn out and sit and wait for it all to happen :D :D :D :D :D :D

cherokee 21-05-2007 21:42

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Hahaha oy yes for once tealeaf im with you on that one....much better than a night watching telly lmao..:D :D :D

LancYorkYankee 22-05-2007 12:49

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At first reading of this thread I was pretty shocked that you got an answering machine and that your local police stations "close" down at night. Then got to thinking must be because at some point in the past, wasn't much trouble around for local coppers?

Our police forces over here are much more "active" unfortunately. If something like that had happened in Downtown Culpeper, you'd have had at least 3 Sheriff (County cops) vehicles, 4 -5 town cop cars, and then at least 2 State Troopers. These would have arrived in 2 minutes - 10 minutes.

The He-men and He-ladies of our police forces love to throw their bravado around in those situations. That why we no longer have that vicious Hell's Grannies Gang around here!:p

Brian

Tealeaf 22-05-2007 13:06

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...and I bet they're well tooled up as well - '45 automatics, Remington pump-action with solid shot, M-16's...the lot. What have our cops got? Nowt only a bit of a stick and a packet of pepper if they're lucky. No wonder the kids end up giving 'em gyp; and even if they arrest the little toads, the cops end up being sued for wrongful arrest.

No, we need to end this liberal do-gooding nandy-pandy nonsense and start giving back full powers to the cops and give 'em the tools to do the job. Reintroduce the Riot Act and lets see a fews heads cracked and some claret on the cobbles with no questions asked; any riff-raff that survive then lock 'em up for life.

garinda 22-05-2007 13:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 427962)
What have our cops got?

Taser, or Tizer, or something like that, that gives you the same shock as opening a can of pop.

blackbandit 22-05-2007 21:04

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Mmm,some little miscreants round this way tonight (avenue parade) shouting obsceneties and generally abusing any poor person who happens to walk past,about 10-15 of em,about 13 years old and above,think they've gone now,but what a nuisance.Where are their parents???? either sat on their lazy arses getting ****ed off special brew or sat oblivious to the fact that little timmy darling is actually a little toad who wants a bloody good hiding!

Lampman 24-05-2007 07:38

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Now,Now,these youngsters have issues or syndromes,or Great-Grandad was frightened by a Zepplin.We should be more tolerant and understanding!

cashman 24-05-2007 09:28

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Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 428612)
Now,Now,these youngsters have issues or syndromes,or Great-Grandad was frightened by a Zepplin.We should be more tolerant and understanding!

i agree with lampman, though arm the police but only shoot em in the kneecaps.:D

Eric 24-05-2007 16:51

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Before considering an armed police force, think of the US experience. With police armed to the teeth (and beyond) the US still suffers from one of the highest crime rates in the world. The gun mentality thing just doesn't work as a deterrent. Nor does excessive force and heavy duty punishment.

Perhaps what does work is a police presence. They have to be around when late night s**t happens. We have 4 local police forces. The KPD looks after the city, but they can call in the Ontario Provincial Police, or, if the lads from the base are getting out of hand, the Military Police. And the RCMP ride horses and bring in the tourists, when they are not busy with federal bs.

Time and again in discussions like this one, people talk about the lack of good parenting ... maybe they are right ... the rowdies usually have homes and families ... what is going on there? Are parents avoiding the responsibility of childrearing, hoping that the cops will sort out problems later on.

Lampman 25-05-2007 05:40

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Well basically it goes like this,the yob culture know they can get away with their behavour in an under-policed environment.At the very worst they eventually get an ASBO (street cred incarnate).
Should the law abiding citizen/house owner try to stand up to the yobs,he risks,
A) a beating B) being arrested for giving the yob a slap.
Things will never change until the imbalance is redressed,****** the human rights of the yob.Give the power and protection of the law back to those who are under attack,and mostly pay the taxes for the afore mentioned police.
But don't blame the police,blame the politicians and the pious do gooders,those who make the laws are usually insulated against the effect.

steeljack 25-05-2007 06:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 428914)
Well basically it goes like this,the yob culture know they can get away with their behavour in an under-policed environment.At the very worst they eventually get an ASBO (street cred incarnate).
Should the law abiding citizen/house owner try to stand up to the yobs,he risks,
A) a beating B) being arrested for giving the yob a slap.
Things will never change until the imbalance is redressed,****** the human rights of the yob.Give the power and protection of the law back to those who are under attack,and mostly pay the taxes for the afore mentioned police.
But don't blame the police,blame the politicians and the pious do gooders,those who make the laws are usually insulated against the effect.

best post I have read in a while , karma due , karma sent

:cool: :D :cool: :D

bullseyebarb 25-05-2007 16:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lampman (Post 428914)
Well basically it goes like this,the yob culture know they can get away with their behavour in an under-policed environment.At the very worst they eventually get an ASBO (street cred incarnate).
Should the law abiding citizen/house owner try to stand up to the yobs,he risks,
A) a beating B) being arrested for giving the yob a slap.
Things will never change until the imbalance is redressed,****** the human rights of the yob.Give the power and protection of the law back to those who are under attack,and mostly pay the taxes for the afore mentioned police.
But don't blame the police,blame the politicians and the pious do gooders,those who make the laws are usually insulated against the effect.

Nail on the head, Lampman! Well said.

Lampman 26-05-2007 08:05

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Thanks to both of you for your comments,I had a rare moment of clarity!
:)

suzster 26-05-2007 08:20

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You shouldnt ring the Police station direct anymore. The new number is 0845 1 25 35 45 - this will always be answered.

Criminal damage detection is a massive Police performance indicator at the moment - if they're causing damage you will be higher on the priority list when they are tasking each job as it comes in.

Hope this helps.

Suz x.

cashman 26-05-2007 09:56

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probably higher on the list than a pensioner who is being terrorised.:mad:

bullseyebarb 27-05-2007 19:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 428742)
Before considering an armed police force, think of the US experience. With police armed to the teeth (and beyond) the US still suffers from one of the highest crime rates in the world. The gun mentality thing just doesn't work as a deterrent.

More cant from our good friend north of the border. I am about to celebrate my 42nd year in these United States. Have traveled far and wide. Have lived in several major cities, including Houston, Washington DC and Atlanta. No problems at all. The fact is that the vast majority of Americans live lives of blessed tranquility.

Perhaps Eric would care to share with us his proposed solutions for battling criminal activity. (By the way, Eric, the criminals hate an armed populace.)

WillowTheWhisp 27-05-2007 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzster (Post 429251)
You shouldnt ring the Police station direct anymore. The new number is 0845 1 25 35 45 - this will always be answered.

I didn't know that. Will make a note of the number.

The thing is that unless we have cause to call the police at night we remain blissfully ignorant of the fact that they are not there.

lindsay ormerod 27-05-2007 20:50

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Interestingly enough a bunch of feral teenagers attacked my Dad that same night at the junction between Burnley rd and Spar;he had just dropped me off and some lunatic youth threw himself on the bonnet;my Dad was worried that if he accelerated the idiot would be catapulted into Burnley rd and so stopped ,then the rest of the gang tried to get into the car and were motioning for him to wind the windows down. He didn't and eventually got going again but was pretty shaken up by the whole ordeal,it was still light and literally yards from the main rd.
Please be aware that we have an influx of total numpties round here at the moment and I would advise keeping your car doors locked.

Stanaccy 27-05-2007 21:07

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Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 429663)
More cant from our good friend north of the border. I am about to celebrate my 42nd year in these United States. Have traveled far and wide. Have lived in several major cities, including Houston, Washington DC and Atlanta. No problems at all. The fact is that the vast majority of Americans live lives of blessed tranquility.

Perhaps Eric would care to share with us his proposed solutions for battling criminal activity. (By the way, Eric, the criminals hate an armed populace.)


Maybe you would care to answer why the US has a higher rate of murders per populace than the UK then?

Or in fact most European countries. (if memory serves me right only the former Yugoslavia has a higher rate but I am sure some wise Accywebber will correct me)

steeljack 27-05-2007 23:09

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 429712)
Maybe you would care to answer why the US has a higher rate of murders per populace than the UK then?

Or in fact most European countries. (if memory serves me right only the former Yugoslavia has a higher rate but I am sure some wise Accywebber will correct me)

will probably get lambasted for this .......the reason the US has such a high murder rate is the same as the reason for the Metropolitan London Police setting up 'operation trident ' , when one minority section of the UK population (representing less than 2.5%of the UK total) make up 9% of the prison population there is something going on, and its not racial profiling , these 9% are just the folks who have been convicted and are serving time.
Think you will find that if you compare murder rates among U.S. States and Euro countries with similar ethnic groups i.e. N. & S. Dakota, Minnesota, New Hampshire and Maine with say Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany you will find no noticable difference in the murder or crime rates , the same comparison could probably be made for New Zealand and Australia .

As for the eastern Europeans I think thats pretty well self evident, a total inate dis-respect for any kind of Law and Order , one only has to wonder what special business skills all these Russian exiles living in London and elsewhere in the West posess and why so many are afraid of returning even for a brief visit if they have done nothing wrong , seems to me since the "fall of communism" the only eastern europeans capable of living with 'western' values and standards are the populations of Hungary, and the Czech and Slovak republics.

and here endeth todays lesson on eugenics :D :D :D

Ianto.W. 28-05-2007 08:57

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The only way I can think of, and have of dealing with these cretins is have a good look at who is trying to give you grief and aggro, as it used to happen to me being a town centre dweller on many occasions. Then when oportunity comes knocking and they are not 'team' handed give them a thick ear when they least expect it, when no-one is around. The self satisfaction is worth all the precautions and taxis you use after.;)

blackbandit 28-05-2007 14:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 429708)
Interestingly enough a bunch of feral teenagers attacked my Dad that same night at the junction between Burnley rd and Spar;he had just dropped me off and some lunatic youth threw himself on the bonnet;my Dad was worried that if he accelerated the idiot would be catapulted into Burnley rd and so stopped ,then the rest of the gang tried to get into the car and were motioning for him to wind the windows down. He didn't and eventually got going again but was pretty shaken up by the whole ordeal,it was still light and literally yards from the main rd.
Please be aware that we have an influx of total numpties round here at the moment and I would advise keeping your car doors locked.

Bloody hell,thats scary.bet they were the same ones who were on avenue parade,it sounds as if they've been busy.
I reckon they didnt actually live in the area,cos I'd never seen them before-perhaps they've been asbo'd from their correct area!
To be honest,I'm not all that happy about going out and about after 6.00 now because of these berks,as there was at least 10 of them,and only one of me-and I cant run fast!!

suzster 28-05-2007 18:18

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Do you remember when the 'Guardian Angels' came to Britain?

http://www.peoriarestaurants.com/ima...s_jan_2006.jpg

I can't remember how long ago it actually was but I know how people must have felt to go to such lengths to feel safe.

Suz x.

bullseyebarb 29-05-2007 18:05

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The Guardian Angels are awesome. Are there no longer any members in your area?

Yeah, Steeljack! That's certainly a part of the equation.

LancYorkYankee 29-05-2007 18:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 429732)
will probably get lambasted for this .......the reason the US has such a high murder rate is the same as the reason for the Metropolitan London Police setting up 'operation trident ' , when one minority section of the UK population (representing less than 2.5%of the UK total) make up 9% of the prison population there is something going on, and its not racial profiling , these 9% are just the folks who have been convicted and are serving time.
Think you will find that if you compare murder rates among U.S. States and Euro countries with similar ethnic groups i.e. N. & S. Dakota, Minnesota, New Hampshire and Maine with say Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany you will find no noticable difference in the murder or crime rates , the same comparison could probably be made for New Zealand and Australia .

As for the eastern Europeans I think thats pretty well self evident, a total inate dis-respect for any kind of Law and Order , one only has to wonder what special business skills all these Russian exiles living in London and elsewhere in the West posess and why so many are afraid of returning even for a brief visit if they have done nothing wrong , seems to me since the "fall of communism" the only eastern europeans capable of living with 'western' values and standards are the populations of Hungary, and the Czech and Slovak republics.

and here endeth todays lesson on eugenics :D :D :D

Very good point Steeljack. There is certainly cultural elements to those who commit crime and tend to have very little respect for human life. Still quite tired though would to respond more.

BEA

lindsay ormerod 31-05-2007 20:20

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Just been round to Spar ;about 8;45 and felt intimidated having to walk thru a gang of youths all blocking the pathway in. About 14 maybe 15 of them and mainly the hooded variety,sporting their " Airmax" plumage and acting like they own the place ! God only knows what it's gonna be like if we actually do get some warm weather, the place will be knee deep in 'em,or maybe the hoods will give 'em heatstroke !;)

blackbandit 31-05-2007 20:31

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Staggering.I really do wonder what their parents are actually doing-do they know where they are? what they're doing? do they know or care if they are smoking? drinking? taking drugs? causing havoc? I know they cant keep an eye on em 24/7 but to just have a vague idea whats going on would be something...

lindsay ormerod 31-05-2007 20:40

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The parents either don't know or more likely don't care. They will not move to let you thru and it's not just me that finds them intimidating,other customers,esp those using the ATM were not too happy either.

steeljack 11-06-2007 00:55

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came across this item about young-uns and booze
Mother jailed for serving alcohol to 16-year-olds | International News | News | Telegraph

a mother in Virginia has been jailed for allowing underage teens access to alcohol . (ok the drinking age in the US is 21 ,unfair in my opinion) but allowing that it is 18 in the UK do you think that an adult in the UK should get jail time for supplying booze to the underage or just the usual slap on the wrist ?

:confused::confused:

Brian this is in your neck of the woods ..whats the local opinion ?

WillowTheWhisp 11-06-2007 06:58

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It depends on how you define 'supplying booze'. If it is purchasing cans and bottles on behalf of those who are legally too young to buy it for themselves then yes I think they should be dealt with severely. They have broken the law. If it's parents in their own homes giving a sip of sherry to their own kids at Christmas or whatever then no I don't think that should be regarded as criminal but the question then is where do you draw that line because I could imagine some parents finding it highly amusing to get their toddler drunk.

As someone who doesn't drink I wouldn't give any alcohol to my kids and I wouldn't want anyone else to do so either. It's then up to them when they are old enough to make their own choices.


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