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Watching Dispatches atm about bin wars & whether the fortnightly collections do improve recycling. Manufacturer packaging hampering landfills & whether they are accountable & being able to prosecute them for over packaging regulations. Even discussed the fact that many of our recycle doesn't get recycled due to contamination ie accidently put with non recycables & whether on the spot fines for doing so more than 3 x.

So do u want to pay as u throw & whether there would be decrease in council tax enough to cover this soon to be seperate charge, also the consideration to how many in a household.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6685409.stm

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As long as I have a hole in my bum they will never decrease the council tax for this, only use it as a means of increasing it.

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just another way to screw us i agree with recycling but picking on the public is out of order i worked for sita lancashire for two years and business are the worst for not recycling including the council when council empty house they throw it all on winnie hill apart from fridges they are the worst ofenders.

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Well surely it would have to because atm refuge is part of council tax if we are paying seperately then wheres that slice going - not paying twice for refuge:(

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notice they dont let people no how much they are selling are recycled goods for

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Yeh true point, as discussed on this thread yesterday http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...light=grey+bin even still the bug bear was what u can & cant recycle & how little people actually know despite their fancy leaflets it can still be confusing:confused:

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missed dispatches, but the 6-00 news was on about it, a guy was saying how/who do you charge people in flats with community refuse bins? until they tackle the real problem e.g. big business this is just another way to screw joe public. who contribute less than 20% to the refuse problem.:(

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well said cashman

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Quite interesting cashy, they interviewed a representative on behalf of the supermarket/shops industry he claimed majority of people wanted the extra packaging with no figures of these people they claim to back that up but when dispatches did their survey 85% of people were clearly not happy with it & blamed the manufacturing industry:rolleyes:

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its like most things in life mel- we are an EASY OPTION.;)

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I live on my own so not much rubbish compared to a family with 2 kids. I recycle what i can and chuck everything else in my other bin.

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I hate to say this, but if you look through past threads and posts, I said what was going on in the southern counties, as a pilot scheme it was all part of a general plan to charge non recyclers, and reward the ones that do.

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and do you seriously believe they will reward the ones that do ian?

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Tounge in cheek cashy, you will get your reward in carbon di oxide heaven:D

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i would have put money on that. lol

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Got offered a bungalow last week cashy, told them if I move I want a Top floor flat in a high rise so I can get a little closer to my maker.:D

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We should all be encouraged to recycle, if we care at all about tomorrow, and the world we leave for future generations.

The fines/rewards, and charging for how much non-recyclable refuge we produce, will be totally unworkable.

It will result in a massive increase in fly tipping, as well as people dumping their rubbish in other people's bins.

In my opinion education about why all of us should want to recycle, should be the way forward.

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I aggree with you gary, the trouble is the council collectors want it all gift wraped, My Bernadette put some cardboard out last week they did not take it, as it was not 'tied up' my next door neighbour kindly took it to the tip.

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We won't be as willing to re-cycle as much as we should as long as they (the council), keep using bully boy tactics, the council need to work with the people. :o

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=29962

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I agree. The current situation is that it is supposed to be flattened and tied up, and left propped next to the other rubbish to be recycled.

Many people complain that at present it isn't collected, and very often becomes a soggy mess in the rain, or blows away.

Perhaps we should be issued with a designated sack for cardboard as well.

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Argos is the worst offender the amount of cardboad the send is nothing short of a scandal, most of their flatpack stuff comes from China and do them inscrutible beggars know how to pack stuff. In a bit there will be no trees left to make this chipboard packaging from, it's time they got some crap publicity, Mc Donalds has been pilloried for long enough and they are trying their best to keep it down.

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we should be able to take the packerging back to the shop .we bought tv with cinema souround sound the amount of packerging we were left with was mad.

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How much money will HBC make from selling on recycled material? There is no way they are doing this at a loss just to keep some Whitehall manderin happy.

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I wonder if those Mandarins along with Hyndburn Council, are going to start recycling their crap, or are they going to pay fines with our money?

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Pay the fines out of your council tax payments. I have more chance of being on the next flight to the moon than that lot sticking their hands in their own pockets. :mad:

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will people on benefit have to pay this fine too??

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As recently highlighted in an article in the Onbserver, thanks to my goodself, no trade waste in Hyndburn is currently recycled, nor is that even possible, even if people wish to do so. This also applies to all the reams of paper, and other waste, produced in council offices and buildings.

A case of do what I say, not do as I do.

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Sod that for a malarky. If they cant practice what they preach why should anyone else.

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Oopps, am I the only person who read the title and thought it said 'pay as you blow'?
I was going to ask how much http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...milies/eek.gif :rolleyes: :D

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At least cardboard is very easy to recycle. I would rather see cardboard used instead of plastic packaging.

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As was pointed out in this thread, no trade waste from businesses in Hyndburn is being, or is able to be, recycled.


http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...ight=recycling

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You get 3 sorts of packaging from Argos, cardboard, plastic and expanded poystyrene, they should be made to take it back and and dispose of it. Plastic carrier bags should be banned, I take 2 out with me everytime I go shopping if everyone did the same there would be no need to keep issuing them willy-nilly.

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I think that this will be an unworkable system, it sounds feasable in theory but in this less than utopic country that we live in, it will never work.

We have very little rubbish and only put our bin out about once a month, even then, it is only half full. Everything that it is possible to recycle gets recycled. My neighbours (just 2 of them too), fill their bin every fortnight and often have extra bags too. They do some recycling but not a lot. When my bin goes out, I will often put some of their excess into ours so that it will be removed.... Under the charging system that will stop. People would need lockable bins as neighbours would be putting extra bags in somebody else's bin. There will be more bin bags being dumped in alleys and more fly tipping.
Council tax will probably not be reduced in order to accommodate the new rubbish tax, the rubbish tax will be extra. If people on benefits receive a reduction in their rubbish tax this will be seen as unfair to the people who are not on benefits or are not entitled to the discount and could cause quite a furore.

IMO it's an unworkable system.

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When I worked for a wheely bin company about 7 years ago...they devised a lockable bin which when lifted by the wagon was opened by some kind of magnetic device...ok can't remember exactly how it worked...but this could be the kind of thing that might happen!

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That does seem a little mean, doesn't it Ian :( Can understand they only specify it being tied up so that it doesn't blow away, but 'fraid I am not very good at gift wrapping so all these different size and shapes of cardboard are way beyond my capabilities. Haven't got a degree in this unfortunately.

I know just put it all in a black bin bag next to the green bin, and they always take it .. no problems.

They are not allowed to chase after loose rubbish that has been blown by the wind, etc., due to the danger to themselves from traffic, wish I think is fair enough.

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If councils are going to weigh each wheelie bin as it is emptied I hope that they will take into account the ‘tare’ weight. I know of three different sizes of wheelie bin and obviously they will all have a different ‘tare’ weight. Most people will have the standard size but there is a smaller size in use and a larger one that I have.

Living on my own as I do and having a larger than normal bin I only need to put it out once in six weeks or sometimes eight weeks. I recycle glass, plastic, metal and paper and thin cardboard like cornflakes packets and the like.

Blackburn with Darwen Council have promulgated a collection schedule then go and ignore it and collect the grey bin every week. On balance, where I live, the collections are OK.

There is also the question of all those people who receive Council Tax benefits either in full or in part. It would be wrong to charge them extra.

I use the plastic carrier bags given out free (but not really free) by the supermarkets to dispose of my non-recyclable rubbish which contains left over food and the like in an attempt to prevent flies from doing their bit. So if the supermarkets stop giving out plastic carrier bags my bin will become a transport café for flies and a breeding pen for maggots.

I read somewhere the other day (Ceefax I think) that if you hang a moth ball in the wheelie bin it will deter flies from trying to get in and any that do will kill them off.

The real solution to throw away rubbish is to use the technology to burn it without producing CO2 and using the generated heat to run a power station. Scotland claims to lead the world in no CO2 burning technology.

Or mix the rubbish with concrete into large blocks and coat the blocks with a layer of concrete. Then take them out off shore and build an island or a causeway between islands.

Over to you Tealeaf. Here’s your chance to denigrate my suggestions as in the crackpot category.

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With everyone recycling prices for raw materials has fallen. The market for contaminated materials is a cost, you have to pay for it to be taken away even though it is being recycled. This is why it is believed the only solution is separation at source, ie household separation. Obviously less packaging in the first place would help. Whinney Hill Tip has only 20 years left. If we have to carry on using landfill after that further afield the costs of waste collection will rise. The Council did look at weekly bin collections just before the elections as a vote winner but the cost of that was an increase of 30% on HBC's portion of the Council Tax, about £60 a year.

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Cheers for that Graham I now understand it better .

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The main problem is that householders are confused with what can be recycled what cant & the big bug bear was when HBC changed their mind thro the recycling programme ie, blue box is for glass only not tins as was allowed originally, also that the blue bags for plastic & tins now are subject in bad weather to be shrewn all over the streets - to no fault of the householders usually!! I was under impression that stuff were cleaned before doing what they need to do in order to recycle - unfortunately u cannot avoid some kind of small contamination even from sources to the best of ability. Recycling should be easy to do - thus complicating matters at the source would make recycling less appealing if they are critized for trying.

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That's a good point Mel. Although I have it sussed, hopefully, blue box for glass and tins, white sack paper, blue sack plastic bottles, it still can cause confusion about what we can recycle.

Yesterday, for example, I had two plastic containers, one from a pack of bacon, and one which had strawberries in. I was unsure if I could put them in the blue plastic sack because it just states plastic bottles, so didn't, and they went in with the non-recycable rubbish. Is there a way we should be recycling plastic food containers, if so in what, and if not, why not?

I can understand that it would cost a fortune if the Council wrote to us all, giving a detailed breakdown of what can and can't be recycled, or any changes that might occur, but would it not be possible to give that information on the Council website?

The majority of people understand the need to recycle, but I'm sure any extra help would be greatly appreciated by a lot of people.

Recycling

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Seems you haven't got it sussed cos tins now go in your blue bag :D glass only in the blue box!!

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Seems you're right. Thank you.

Good job it was pointed out to me, even though it's there on the website, before I received a fine for bringing down the quality of the glass with my tins.:D

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Yeh rindy i have that prob with some items its like where does that go? I had to clarify over phone cos i thought glass could be recycled so hence put it in the bin, eg glasses, glass plate - nope they are not, had to put them in grey bin - yet glass containers are accepted:confused:

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they came today... bank holiday Monday and took away the tins and the glass: but they left the carboard on the GRASS....

sick of HBC they are nothing but a pain in the Ass:

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Sorted out my recyclables last night and was wondering why the crud I bother. I stay on my own yet seem to have a hell of a lot of it to do. Need to have a big rethink.

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they take the empty ones back for the cash :-) you don't get cash on a flower vase....

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We are still putting tins in with the bottles, I'll ask 'Tommy' the dustman when they do our weekly pick-up on Wednesday morning, easier and cheaper than trying to get through to cleansing department, no one has complained about them yet.:confused:

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they all get broken up and remade so there should not be a problem with any glass

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Got the official card through the door this morning, Blue Box is for Glass Only Thanks, and no spelling mistakes, turn over card, Please Only Place. Cans and plastic bottles in your Blue Sack. Glass in your Blue Box. Paper in your White Sack.Shoes and textiles in your Green Sack.Cardboard-stacked together and wedged between containers.
To ensure that your materials are collected, all items must be clearly identifiable and visible to collection crews.
Thank you for your co-operation.
If you have any queries please contact the Helpline on 01254 399988.
Please can I have a Green sack?

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Barry Keeling, UK sales manager for Centriforce, a Liverpool company that recycles plastic bottles, said: “It’s a misunderstanding as to what can be recycled in this country. Lots of local authorities want us to recycle all the plastics – your yoghurt pot, your butter dish and sandwich wrapping – and we can’t use those.”

‘Recycled’ waste dumped in landfill-Life & Style-Women-The Way We Live-TimesOnline


Much more information is needed about what can and can't be recycled. It's pointless if government targets are supposedly being met, if after all the trouble of sorting out our rubbish, it goes straight to landfill sites because it's contaminated, and thus can't be recycled.

Why can't we have clearer instructions on the council's website? It would be easy to keep updated about how, and what can be recycled.

It's only through this article in the Sunday Times that I now know not to put margarine cartons etc. in the plastic sack.