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Just heard on the radio coming home about an ex-Gurkha soldier, living in Nepal who has applied to come to this country and been refused.

Ok he's 84, but this guy fought in the Second World War, - his story was truly amazing - to help his english comrades escape. he. after all his platoon had been killed, single handedly overcame the 2 Japanese machine gun nests that had killed his mates, getting wounded in the process, then turns the enemy machine gun on more Japanese that were just about to slaughter the rest of the small english force.

He was one of the very few Gurkhas to recieve the Victoria Cross

And now how does the country that he fought for repay him, ??? - they refuse him entry to the UK so that he can get consistent healthcare in his fading years (which isn't available in Nepal) and to be close to comrades that are still living in the UK

Doesn't it make you sick ?? - if you're a potential terrorist, or a probable state scrounger you're welcomed with open arms !!!! - but if you've served (not even his) your country, been wounded in battle, been awarded the highest military award going, very nearly losing his own life - what does he get >>>>> " Sod off " >>>>>>>>>

Doesn't it make you puke

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That is truly ashame that this man of obvious honor and courage should be denied his request. Very odd decision.

Brian

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Isn't this old news? I'm sure I read about it last week.

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i thought U.K let ANYONE in!

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If you apply you don't get let in, the bloke should have just arrived here without appointment, he wouldn't have had a problem then.

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Doesn't matter when this was first discussed, does it Tin Monkey ?..still quite sad that we can't support our 'past supporters'.

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Disgraceful but typical of the way Britain acts towards the Ghurkas. Despite the fact that they have fought for this country with incredible valour, they are treated like dirt. They don't even have the same pension rights as other ex-soldiers. Terrorist supporters are allowed into this country to preach their message of hate against us, yet this brave man is kept out and the government does precisely nothing. Quite frankly, the motley collection of chancers, conmen and slimeballs who currently inhabit the upper echelons of government aren't fit to lick his boots. :mad:

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Disgraceful but typical of the way Britain acts towards the Ghurkas. Despite the fact that they have fought for this country with incredible valour, they are treated like dirt. They don't even have the same pension rights as other ex-soldiers. Terrorist supporters are allowed into this country to preach their message of hate against us, yet this brave man is kept out and the government does precisely nothing. Quite frankly, the motley collection of chancers, conmen and slimeballs who currently inhabit the upper echelons of government aren't fit to lick his boots. :mad:

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Sorry, double post, I'd worked myself up into such a lather, I think I pressed the button twice!

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Absolutely disgraceful, are the people making these decisions human?

I remember a few years ago reading a story about some West Indian men who fought for our country in the 2nd world war in the greek islands somewhere and something similar happened but i cant remember whether it was about gettng the same amount of pension as an english soldier

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well thats it! i thought this place could not get STUPIDER, but this is really disgraceful,it brings nothing but shame on us.:mad:

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I'm normally disparaging of anyone who tries to come here to take advantage of our NHS etc. but I make an exception for the Ghurkas. We had a family friend who fought alongside them in Burma from 1940 to 1945 and he couldn't speak too highly of them. They helped to save our troops from the Japanese and we've treated them like dirt ever since.

It's disgraceful that Eastern Europeans can arrive on our doorsteps and claim every Benefit going while these brave old men are discarded like rubbish. Please don't misunderstand me, the Poles are a bit different, they come here to work and they are, on the whole, honest and hard-working but they too did the same thing in WW2, they were brave men who fought for us. It's the rest who make me angry, arriving on our shores to milk everything they can from us while we tell the Ghurkas to "sod off".

Sometimes I'm ashamed to be English.

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well said westender pity it wont let me give you karma, have to spread it around,:)

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I never thought I'd hear myself say it, but so am I when I read about situations like this.

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I think it does, but if you want a reactionary 'debate' then I suppose it doesn't. Please carry on. :)

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Is that why they are buliding more home,s now were ever the land is empty because we are to soft over here in england

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willow yeah

if u folks are that disgusted by it - dont sit by idly - whip a quick email to greg pope to support this guy adn pressure the home office to give him the visa he deserves

they're prepared to give visa's to ppl who hate this country yet this man has shown service beyond duty and he's not allowed.

[email protected]

thats the email it doesnt have to be an essay just a quick mail.

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Good idea, Mani. There's also a petition on the 10 Downing Street site to give UK citizenship to all Gurkhas. Don't know how much good it'll do, but worth giving it a go.

Petition to: immediately and retrospectively give all Gurkha servicemen and their immediate families past and present british citizenship.

At the risk of being branded "reactionary" by Tin Monkey, I would suggest that these brave guys deserve UK citizenship far more than those extremists who regularly call for the overthrow of British society, while continuing to partake of its benefits.

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nice one mani, good idea, n thanks for link wyn.:)

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I must say that I have to agree with the majority of members who have posted on this subject so far; the way in which the government of this country has dealt with such courageous and honorable men is arrogant, high handed, ungrateful, ungracious and an absolute disgrace. Moreover, I think our Greg should be standing up in Parliament to represent our views to the government and if he does not, I, for one, should very much like to hear the reason why not.

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Just heard on the news - the Home Office has done a u turn and granted him entry

Thank god for basic common sense, and all of u guys and every other forum across the country, who sent in protests against this ludicrouis decision.

At least my fathers generation's spirits can rest in peace knowing that the kids they fought and died for, had the bottle to stand up and say "this is bloody wrong"

Cheers guys

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Are these guys not just paid mercenaries ? :confused::confused: granted they have done sterling work in the name of the Crown over the years in situations where none of us would ever want to be, but consideing that Nepal was never part of the Empire or Commonwealth where are the 'links that bind'.
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Well, I suppose you could say that every regular soldier is a "paid mercenary", couldn't you? Nepal wasn't part of the Empire, it's true, but the Gurkha Regiment was part of the British Army and thank God they were. We owe them a lot.

In the same vein, I don't remember Bulgaria and Romania being part of the Empire either, or fighting alongside us in WW2 (they were on the "other side") but, thanks to us abandoning the Commonwealth to join the dictatorship of Europe (links that bind?), they can come here quite freely and avail themselves of all we have to offer.

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Pity the British Govt. didn't think that way in the 70s when they were pulling and cancelling the passports of British lads who were serving in the Rhodesian Defence Forces and threatening them with jail for sedition and treason when they returned to the UK , their crime ....supporting a 'terrorist regime' Ian Smiths Govt. againt that great liberal African statesman Robert Mugabe.
Bit of hypocrisy don't you think on Her Majestys Govt. part when its ok for them use foriegn hired guns , but get upset when they are used against them :( :(
(sorry for the thread wander)

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Glad to hear that common sense has prevailed.I hope the old soldier gets the best possible treatment over here - he certainly deserves it after all he's done for this country.

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common sense prevails, or maybe realised they'd shot thereselves in the foot.:rolleyes:

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excellant news.

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It needed saying twice Wynonie, they are a special case and extremely loyal to this country, which is more than can be said for some of their counterparts on the Indian Sub Continent.
Don't press the button a third time 'S' as you may self destruct.:D.

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For those of you who might be interested here is a bit of history.....

"THE BEGINNING - GURKHAS, NEPAL AND THE EAST INDIA COMPANY

Robert Clive's decisive victory at the Battle of Plassey in 1757 firmly established British supremacy in India thereby opening the door for expansion of the Honourable East India Company. Some 10 years after Plassey the British started to come into contact with a unique and vigorous power on the northern borders of its newly won territories in Bengal and Bihar. This power was the city-state of Gorkha led by its dynamic King Prithwi Narayan Shah. Gorkha was a feudal hill village in what is now western Nepal, the village from which the Gurkha takes its name. Prithwi Narayan Shah and his successors grew so powerful that they overran the whole of the hill country from the Kashmir border in the west to Bhutan in the east. Eventually, as a result of boundary disputes and repeated raids by Gurkha columns into British territory, the Governor General declared war on Nepal in 1814. After two long and bloody campaigns a Peace Treaty was signed at Sugauli in 1816.

During the war a deep feeling of mutual respect and admiration had developed between the British and their adversaries, the British being much impressed by the fighting and other qualities of the Gurkha soldier. Under the terms of the Peace Treaty large numbers of Gurkhas were permitted to volunteer for service in the East India Company's Army. From these volunteers were formed the first regiments of the Gurkha Brigade, and from this time stems Britain's friendship with Nepal, a country which has proved a staunch ally ever since and has become our 'oldest ally' in Asia. Never has the trust that was then placed in the Gurkha soldier ever been in doubt. Alongside his British comrade in arms he has fought in many parts of the world and has proved himself to be of the closest of friends and bravest of allies that Britain has known."

The rest is here History