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Doug 09-06-2007 18:45

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Blackburn. :eek:

For you people Blackburn might not be a big issue but it’s been over thirty years since I was in the centre. I was over on Monday to register for my Registered Managers Award and was both in dread of going back and inquisitive at what I might find. I had a brief look round on Monday and though ok I’ll ask Joyce if she want to pop over on the way to Accy to have a look around.

Today we did just that, Corporation Park look the same as it did nearly 40 years back when I visited it as a child. But it was the centre that impressed me. Joyce was very impressed and felt that she preferred it to shopping in Blackpool or Preston. It was clean, the people where friendly, polite and cheerful, the weather was excellent. Joyce though it was Beautiful and said she wouldn’t mind living there, :confused: :eek: and believe me that saying a lot coming from Joyce.

Undoubtedly there is still a long way to go before the Town becomes a destination of choice for most, but for me I’ll be looking forward to many more visits and a few excursions in and around Blackburn & Darwin. :)

Tin Monkey 09-06-2007 18:47

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 433246)
Darwin

Hope you've got your passport and some sun screen. It get very hot down under.

MargaretR 09-06-2007 18:58

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I suppose anywhere looks 50% better on a sunny day. Blackburn is not a place I would like to live - Darwen maybe - although someone did once remark to me -'Darwen? well I suppose someone has to live there' ' - still dont know why that was said - perhaps a Darrener will enlighten me.

garinda 09-06-2007 19:03

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What's Blackburn got that Accy hasn't?

Oh yes, a Labour Council.:D




I agree, Blackburn is looking good.

MargaretR 09-06-2007 19:23

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I had the misfortune of having to work in Blackburn centre at Broseley House for 2 separate years in 1970 & 1993. Both were years I would rather forget.
That Broseley House - I described it as 'a submarine in a cesspool'. The heating system provided overlarge piping which extended several inches from the walls (as in a submarine) and the cesspool bit came from the deisel fumes from the buses which parked next to and underneath the 'bridge' section. Altogether the most undesirable working environment I have ever been subjected to.
PS - I suppose if one of your hobbies is 'shopping' you might like it - It never has been nor ever will be a hobby of mine

Tin Monkey 09-06-2007 19:42

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 433253)
What's Blackburn got that Accy hasn't?

Oh yes, a Labour Council.:D

I thought the council had no majority after the recent elections? Last I heard, the Tories, Lib Dems and the independents (For Darwen Party) had formed an alliance and were the controlling party in Blackburn with Darwen.

Wynonie Harris 09-06-2007 19:43

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 433246)
I’ll be looking forward to many more visits and a few excursions in and around Blackburn & Darwin. :)

Doug, you traitor! :eek:

Tin Monkey 09-06-2007 19:44

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 433249)
Darwen maybe - although someone did once remark to me -'Darwen? well I suppose someone has to live there' ' - still dont know why that was said - perhaps a Darrener will enlighten me.

There are some decidedly dodgy areas in Darwen and I would would not relish having to live there. I currently live about 2 miles south of Darwen and it's some of the most lovely countryside in Lancashire, if not the country. I had a bloke doing some work on the back of my house and as he looked around he said, "It's like the Yorkshire Dales round here". It's beautiful for most of the year, but can be a bit wild in the winter.

MargaretR 09-06-2007 20:05

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 433263)
There are some decidedly dodgy areas in Darwen and I would would not relish having to live there. I currently live about 2 miles south of Darwen and it's some of the most lovely countryside in Lancashire, if not the country. I had a bloke doing some work on the back of my house and as he looked around he said, "It's like the Yorkshire Dales round here". It's beautiful for most of the year, but can be a bit wild in the winter.

Go on then --- tell me where are those 'dodgy areas'
please

Tin Monkey 09-06-2007 20:08

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 433266)
Go on then --- tell me where are those 'dodgy areas'
please

To be honest I don't know how dodgy the area is, but I drive through Sudellside as a shortcut and it looks dodgy to me. Always seem to be police round there and some of the people I see wouldn't be out of place on Crimewatch. ;)

Doug 09-06-2007 20:16

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Thanks TM. Mr Harris we must take the opportunity in life to explore our beautiful county even if that means Blackburn, but Accrington is in my blood and my love for her will never diminish. I agree with you also TM there is some beautiful landscapes around should we open our eyes.

The last time I was in Blackburn it was a dismal **** hole, it was dank, grim and every corner house was a pub most of which where also dank and grim; well they where when I prised my eyes open the following morning.

For me not seeing the place for many years I felt it was a credit to them, which ever party our in power these is a foundation worth building on. I love the Library and I’m looking forward to being able to spend time in there looking for my family roots prior to them hitting Accrington via “Darwen” and Clayton 150 years ago.

MargaretR 09-06-2007 20:24

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Oswaldtwistle is the most desirable place to live in this area -- as demonstrated by the local estate agents waiting lists and the slightly higher house prices by comparison with similar sized property in Accrington. There are highly desirable areas in any of the outlying districts but Oswaldtwistle as a whole is 'desirable' in any of its areas.

WillowTheWhisp 09-06-2007 21:21

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I know what you mean about Blackburn Doug. Church Street is particularly impressive and beats our Broadway into a cocked hat in my opinion.

Gayle 09-06-2007 21:23

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Well I'm glad you had a good day Doug - I had a pretty lousy one. Good job I'm able to adapt.

First thing - gym for Maddie and football for Zack - Maddie threw up five minutes before due to set off and Zack decided he wasn't interested in going today. I adapted by having another coffee (after cleaning up sick of course).

Next, garden clear up day at the kids school - Maddie still sick, Zack hadn't got dressed so decided to leave them both at home with Chris. Got to the school took a couple of pictures, just about to pick up a spade (honest) when my phone rang - the estate agents had someone coming round to view the house so needed to get home and help Chris with tidying up. So that was the end of gardening.

Next, had tickets for the puppet festival. Maddie felt a bit better so we set off. Watched the first show then Maddie wilted again, missed the next two shows because we had to come home.

Next, Mother in law was coming round.

Finally, Asda was due to deliver between 7 pm and 9 pm and it's now 10.22 and I'm still waiting.

Nothing has gone right today. I've still got a smile on my face but hoping tomorrow might go a bit more according to plan! :D

Doug 09-06-2007 22:57

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Bless you Gayle, hope you have a better one tomorrow.....:)

MargaretR 09-06-2007 23:08

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Today has quite unevenful - apart from trip to round up 3 turkeys who had escaped from nearby allotments. I had very selfish intentions -- they were creating quite a lot of noise like chickens being attacked by dogs, which I thought was happening,--- just needeed them to be home safe by nightfall or they might have been squalking all night.
Hasn't it been hot today? -my living space is 1st floor and gets hot because the loft space heats up -- tried out my air conditioner today --YIPEE --works fine.

garinda 09-06-2007 23:16

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 433261)
I thought the council had no majority after the recent elections? Last I heard, the Tories, Lib Dems and the independents (For Darwen Party) had formed an alliance and were the controlling party in Blackburn with Darwen.


May 2007 election[discuss] – [edit]
Summary of the 3 May 2007 local election results for Blackburn with Darwen CouncilPartiesSeatsPreviousNet
Gain/LossLabour3132-1Conservative1715+2Liberal Democrats13130For Darwen31+2England First000Independent01-1Vacant02-2Total6464

garinda 09-06-2007 23:19

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^ I hate it when it does that.:(

As of the elections in May, 2007.
Labour- 31 councillors.
Conservatives- 17
Lib Dems- 13

Tin Monkey 10-06-2007 09:27

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 433312)
^ I hate it when it does that.:(

As of the elections in May, 2007.
Labour- 31 councillors.
Conservatives- 17
Lib Dems- 13

Plus a couple of councillors from the For Darwen Party. 17 + 13 + 2 (or maybe 3) = 32 (or 33). Labour have more councillors as a party, but no longer have a majority compared to the 'opposition combined, and therefore no overall power on the council. That's what I meant in my post :)

andrewb 10-06-2007 10:07

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 433312)
^ I hate it when it does that.:(

As of the elections in May, 2007.
Labour- 31 councillors.
Conservatives- 17
Lib Dems- 13

Labour - 31 Councillors
Conservatives - 17
Lib Dems 13
Others - 3

So nobody has control, unless somebody makes an alliance to make 33 or larger :p
17+13+3 = 33

I don't know if they actually have made an alliance. I should read local papers more.

garinda 10-06-2007 10:21

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 433360)
Plus a couple of councillors from the For Darwen Party. 17 + 13 + 2 (or maybe 3) = 32 (or 33). Labour have more councillors as a party, but no longer have a majority compared to the 'opposition combined, and therefore no overall power on the council. That's what I meant in my post :)

Agreed, but since most of the recent changes in Blackburn were planned and implemented before May of this year, I stand by my original observation.:D

garinda 10-06-2007 10:34

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Just comparing the regeneration of Church Street in Blackburn, to the wishy washy, half baked, badly designed, abomination, that is the 'new and improved' Broadway, is very sad.

http://www.publicartonline.org.uk/ar...hurchSt_29.jpg
http://www.blackburn.gov.uk/upload/i...hurch_St_5.jpg

I couldn't even find any photographs of Broadway. Perhaps the photographers couldn't find a seat, or if they were lucky enough to be seated, ended up with a wet bum, or piles.:D

harwood red 10-06-2007 10:41

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 433259)
I had the misfortune of having to work in Blackburn centre at Broseley House for 2 separate years in 1970 & 1993. Both were years I would rather forget.
That Broseley House - I described it as 'a submarine in a cesspool'. The heating system provided overlarge piping which extended several inches from the walls (as in a submarine) and the cesspool bit came from the deisel fumes from the buses which parked next to and underneath the 'bridge' section. Altogether the most undesirable working environment I have ever been subjected to.
PS - I suppose if one of your hobbies is 'shopping' you might like it - It never has been nor ever will be a hobby of mine

I have also had the misfortune of working in Brosley House from 2001, in fact my office was on the bridge and you couldn't open the windows in summer due to the exhaust fumes of the buses at bus stops below..it was a nightmare...luckily we moved out a year later!!

As for Church Street, when it was done alot of people from Blackburn were in uproar about it...but I quite like it myself, unfortunately if you walk down there at most times it still is deserted

andrewb 10-06-2007 10:44

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 433372)
Just comparing the regeneration of Church Street in Blackburn, to the wishy washy, half baked, badly designed, abomination, that is the 'new and improved' Broadway, is very sad.

http://www.publicartonline.org.uk/ar...hurchSt_29.jpg
http://www.blackburn.gov.uk/upload/i...hurch_St_5.jpg

I couldn't even find any photographs of Broadway. Perhaps the photographers couldn't find a seat, or if they were lucky enough to be seated, ended up with a wet bum, or piles.:D

To be fair Blackburn is much bigger so they have more money to spend.

Though I guess this is where you come back at me having done research and tell me the Blackburn Church street was cheaper or something ;)

Blackburn also has the added bonus of having nice surroundings round there, rather than a bunch of chain stores..

Royboy39 10-06-2007 10:44

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 433369)
Labour - 31 Councillors
Conservatives - 17
Lib Dems 13
Others - 3

So nobody has control, unless somebody makes an alliance to make 33 or larger :p
17+13+3 = 33

I don't know if they actually have made an alliance. I should read local papers more.

The alliance was formed which meant a new Conservative Leader and the executive was formed by the coalition. Labour now in opposition and long may it remain so

Ianto.W. 10-06-2007 12:14

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The only things Blackburn has not got, are free car parking (for what it's worth) and those marble pile probucing seats, as far as i'm concerned they are welcome to both of them. Accrington Market has to much competition from nearby supermarkets and 'cash and carryes' the one on Brown st is far cheaper than the market. I can remember when would be stall holders queued up early in the morning, to see if someone had missed their slot, and names were put on waiting lists to get a stall, The market is no longer competitive.

garinda 10-06-2007 12:48

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 433375)
To be fair Blackburn is much bigger so they have more money to spend.

Though I guess this is where you come back at me having done research and tell me the Blackburn Church street was cheaper or something ;)

Blackburn also has the added bonus of having nice surroundings round there, rather than a bunch of chain stores..

It isn't about cost. It is about having the vision to carry out a programme of good, and innovative design, and I suppose having the knowledge in the first place, to tell the differences between good versus bad design.

The near half a million pounds spent on refurbishing Broadway, is nothing less than disgraceful.

A mish mash of competing tar-mac, a few backless benches, which retain water on their seats hours after it last rained, a couple of fret worked fixed steel gates, leading God knows where, and which can only be viewed properly if you stand in the doorway of the pound shop, and a few young Oak trees supported by Ten Ton Tessy's callipers.

Well designed, and visionary, it ain't, whatever the cost.

Doug 10-06-2007 13:04

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 433400)
It isn't about cost. It is about having the vision to carry out a programme of good, and innovative design, and I suppose having the knowledge in the first place, to tell the differences between good versus bad design.

The near half a million pounds spent on refurbishing Broadway, is nothing less than disgraceful.

A mish mash of competing tar-mac, a few backless benches, which retain water on their seats hours after it last rained, a couple of fret worked fixed steel gates, leading God knows where, and which can only be viewed properly if you stand in the doorway of the pound shop, and a few young Oak trees supported by Ten Ton Tessy's callipers.

Well designed, and visionary, it ain't, whatever the cost.

Get your crayons out rindy and show us what you would have done? I had noticed a load of concrete balls dotted round town which I thought was nicely done and the street sculptures and older monuments sat well together. Yes HBC did let itself and the community down, but progress is an unceasing beast and change will come again to Broadway and around Blackburn Road no doubt.

garinda 10-06-2007 13:09

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 433404)
and change will come again to Broadway


...at what cost?

Better to have spent wisely the first time round.

A fool and his, or rather our money, is soon parted.

Eric 11-06-2007 00:20

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Blackburn ... great place ... I was born there ... what can I say!

WillowTheWhisp 11-06-2007 07:44

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Those students last year had some great design ideas for Accrington town centre but I bet none of them have been taken seriously. There is such great potential here but HBC always seems to opt for the dullest and least imaginative alternative - for an example look at the Bradshaw Street area. Why did they pick the most boring of those designs? Ah well, at least it's got a wiggly wall that's something I suppose.


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