|
Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
If you've posted in or read this thread then you must have an opinion on the Council's proposed name change and all that it implies.
Peter Britcliffe assures us that it will not cost us any more on our Poll Tax and that £20,000 has been set aside for the purpose. Do you feel that it is worth the expense? Are you in favour of the change? Or do you feel that it won't make a ha'porth of difference and the money would be better spent elsewhere? |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I really would have prefered the poll to have been made public. It would have been interesting to see where the people who were voting for what, actually lived.
Can it be changed? |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Maybe the mods can change it. I should have added too that £20,000 will nowhere near cover the costs.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Everyone is entitled to a view, but if someone is sat on a beach in Malibu, and thinks this is a return to the good old pre-1974 days, (it isn't by the way, this isn't the reintoduction of separate urban councils, all power still remains at Scaitcliffe House), and they aren't directly affected, although their views count, it should also be viewed from a different perspective.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Im in Accrington and voted yes. I only use the word "Hyndburn" alongside the words "Greg Pope", usually when people say "Who?" :p
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
And you are also in favour of the cost then presumably?
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Well it can't be done for nothing and on the scale of things £20,000 isn't that much. Though it does seem like a lot of money for a few road signs :p
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
What kind of poll is it that uses phrases like "use the money for something more useful"? Talk about biased questions! Why not just a simple "yes" or "no"? Don't think you'd get a job with gallup, Willow!
And, Gary, what's all this about those who don't live in the area having their opinions "viewed from a different perspective"? Are we now going to have a situation on Accyweb where, whenever local issues are discussed, those who live outside the area will be made to feel that their opinions are somehow of less value? Sounds suspiciously like apartheid to me! |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
As well as yes or no you need a change the name to something else instead option
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
I agree Cyfr £20,000 does not sound like much in the ultimate scheme of things but do you seriously believe that ALL of the rebranding can be done for a mere £20,000? Ah to be so young and gullible. Quote:
I thought I'd bring out that point though as I very much doubt that the council has offered any serious financial information apart from the ludicrously paltry figure of £20,000 which has been set aside before asking people if they fancy a name change. Perhaps if people realised the full impact not only on the council signs, lables, vehicles, stationery, buildings, etc but also the knock-on effect on others it may give them cause to rethink. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
Whatever they wanted to call it I would still object on grounds of it being a waste of money.. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Oooh now I'm beginning to regret not making it an open poll so we know who voted for what. :D
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Thanks Cashman. Doesn't the possible cost worry you though?
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
i don,t see any point in changing it. complete waste of money and i bet you the poll tax raises next year to compensate the over spending! load of bo****ks!!!!
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
Incidentally, I'm sure you can guess which way I voted...but, of course, you'll have to view my response from "a different perspective". ;) |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I could view it from a different perspective if I didn't think I was going to have to pay for it one way or another. :D
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I voted for them to change it.
I don't live in Accrington or the District. But I will be looking for a Bolt Hole in the future. :) |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
My only interest in having a public poll was for research purposes. If a massive majority was in favour of the change, but if that majority weren't funding it because they didn't live here, then that is an important point. A point I would use to voice my oposition to this financally wasteful gimick. By the way Cyfr, Peter's twenty grand will only buy four road signs, the other twenty or so will be extra.;) |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I voted in favour of the change as I think it will be good for the area.Don't all shout at once but how do we know we will pay for it via our council tax? Maybe we won't,as PB stated in the Observer.People fretting over the cost may be worrying unnecessarily.We don't know where the money will come from do we?We're just assuming it will go on our council tax,we don't actually know because no-one's told us.We'll only know when we get our bills next year I suppose.Then we can start getting irate if it goes up a lot!
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
Paris .. where are you ?? Put this man on pobs for the next few days .. know you are a good cook and hit him where it hurts ... :D |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Also,where did the figure of £5000 for one sign come from?It sounds very steep.Who was it that said that's what it will cost? And has it been confirmed for definite? It's certainly caused a panic here.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
I have information, and I challenge anyone from the council to come on here and prove me wrong. (They haven't...) Wonderful stuff this freedom of information malarky. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
PB has stated specifically that it won't lead to an increase in our council tax which of course then gives people the impression that it isn't going to cost us anything. However, look at it logically ad you will realise that nothing in life is free, least of all the rebranding of a borough council. So where does that leave us? Will the council renaming fairies pay for everything? Will we get a grant from central Government to cover the costs? Will PB send Gayle cap in hand to the lottery fund? Or, and I believe this to be the most likely scenario, will there be cuts left right and centre in other council expenditure and will we have to go without necessities in order to finance a whim? |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
It wasn't a 'change way back' - it was a creation. We didn't have a name for the borough council. We'd had the individual names for all the individual councils and then when they were united under one umbrella it needed a name. The question then was do we give it a whole new name or name it after the largest town in the borough. The decision was made to give it a whole new name which I believe was the right decision because that did not imply that any of the individual towns was any greater or any less than the others. If at that time there had been a majority in favour of the name "Accrington and District" then I wouldn't have minded as much even if I didn't agree with the choice because it was going to cost us the same whatever it was called.
I admire your attitude of standing by your principles Cashman and in situations where that would only involve you then I would defend your right to stand by any principle you like whatever the cost. Unfortunately in this particular case the cost does not only affect you it will affect every person living in the borough and the council has carefully avoided the financial issue either because they haven't actually thought it through or they have and they don't want to frighten the living daylights out of us. If they put up the rents for shops and market stalls to cover the cost do you still think that would be worth it? If they allow eyesores to fall further into disrepair because they haven't got the money for repair and renewal do you still think it would be worth it? I wish the council would be upfront about this and admit how much it's going to cost and exactly where they see the money coming from. All they have told us so far is that they have set aside £20,000 and that it won't mean an increase in our council tax. Why is it wrong or hypocritical to want to stop our council wasting money? There are so many things we moan about the council not doing because it claims it can't afford to - what about the selling off of assets which was complained about in the past? What about not being able to afford to take down the Christmas lights when they were still dangling away there in mid summer? How can this council which has been so strapped for cash suddenly justify spending on something which is totally unnecessary? I really do find this difficult to understand. I also think that it's easy enough for people from outside the borough to say yes go ahead, do it and never mind the cost because the cost will not affect them. Any chance of a real look at the financial implications Graham? I've just noticed on the BBC website that one person from Clayton le Moors, in favour of the change, says "Yes go back to the original names" so he/she obviously hasn't even understood the proposal as it is nothing to do with going back to any original names. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
However, I don't like the idea that because I don't live in the borough anymore, my views are somehow less worthy. It seems a dangerous precedent to set and certainly makes me feel like an "outsider" - not a pleasant feeling and something I've never experienced on AccyWeb before! |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Your views are perfectly valid Wynonie. Everyone's views are valid. My view is merely that it's easier to have a view when it doesn't actually affect one personally in the pocket or ameneties regions.
It's like me having a view on something which Luton council propose. It wouldn't affect me personally but it may well affect members of our family living down there and I would think of the implications for them first of all and consider that perhaps their views should be taken into consideration before mine because it actually affects them and not me. Or another example is regarding schools. I may well have opinions on something affecting a school in the borough but if my children don't actually go to that school then I wouldn't expect my views to rank alongside the views of those whose children do attend that school. I'm sorry if this offends any AccyWebbers who don't live in Hyndburn. I didn't mean it that way. It's just that it seems logical to me. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
It's obviously just a personal thing with me but I do tend to look at the bigger picture and how it affects other people not just myself. For instance all the companies and organisations with 'Hyndburn' in their name. I do not belong to any of them and yet I consider it valid to look at the implications for them too.
That's just me. It's just the way I am. If you only look at things as how they affect you personally then you are entitled to do that. It's the way you are and I don't suppose you will change your approach to life any more than I will change mine. It's obviously not something we are going to agree on Cashman. A bit like the way I disagree with Bulseyebarb's view of US welfare health care. However, I do think some people have given their opinions, not only here but also elsewhere such as the Observer and the BBC site, without being in possession of the full facts or realising the full implications. If after learning that it will have an impact in other areas which may receive less from our council taxes in order to find the money for these changes I hope you don't end up complaining about the things that aren't being done because the council can't afford them. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I didn't comment on anyone's views in the thread debating the issues regarding the proposed change of name, based on their location. As stated earlier, everyone's views are valid.
However, when Britcliffe is claiming in the press overwhelming support for the change, because of online polls, I think where those people live, and whether they are going to be directly affected, does matter. Online polls aren't a universal referendum, and are open to abuse. Judging by the location of a lot of people who have commented on the Observer's site, they live abroad, and that is relevant. Don't forget that a lot of people who live in the borough, particularly the elderly, who daily risk life and limb by having to to walk on the appalling, and disgracefully maintained pavements in Hyndburn, may not have access to the internet, and thus their views aren't being listened to because Britcliffe is setting too much store by the results of online polls. By the way, I agree with earlier comments. The way the options in this poll are weighted is unfair, and thus make it's results questionable, and making it's findings useless when challenging other polls, such as the Observer's. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
The wording of this poll was meant to be a tongue in cheek reaction to the reference by Peter Britcliffe to various other online polls. I for one wasn't aware of those online polls and so didn't vote in them. That's one less vote for the 'keep it as it is' option. How many other people were unaware of them?
Online polls are also open to abuse as it is impossible to ensure that the same person hasn't voted more than once. I wouldn't for one moment assume than any poll on here would carry any weight in opposing an Observer poll however it was worded because we are not a cross section of Hyndburn Residents nor have those responding to the poll been analysed in any way to ensure that we cover all age groups, sexes and ethnicity equally. How would you get a fair and unbiased view? I suppose the council could call a public meeting and allow people to vote there, but then you'd have the problem of the elderly and infirm being unable to get to the meeting. When all is said and done the council will probably do what it wants to do anyway and convince itself that it's doing what the majority of us want whether that is true or not. And the vast majority of people will just sit back and let it happen because they don't really care one way or t'other. They'll just moan about the state of things at some later date and wonder why the council can't do whatever it is they can't do when they can't afford to do it. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
But I presume we are also to have a new logo, because it's a new entity, for the newly named Accrington and Districts Borough Council? How much is that alone going to cost, judging by the expense that the lovely logo for the Olympic Games cost us? |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
This debate seems to be going around in circles, with those far and against the proposed change of name, equally sure of their stand.
All I know is that in my experience, as someone who has been to most places in the UK, we have the worst and most dangerous pavements in the country, and I would much prefer the inevitable cost of the change in name, being spent on improving and making safe those pavements. Incidentally, those pavements laid a hundred or so years ago, are in a better state of repair, than those laid under the guise of 'improvements' by this very council. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I've just found this page on the Hyndburn Council website which seems to indicate that Mr. Britcliffe wants people to have their say at some point in the great debate.
Quote:
So some of the groups whose names will be affected are going to be consulted? I wonder how where and when members of the general public will be asked to vote properly rather than all this vox pop and online stuff? Incidentally, does anyone see the 'pic attached' on that page because I can't see it. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
50/50 I see right now: I think it should go back to being Accrington it says that on my birth certificate not Hyndburn;)
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
It says Blackburn on mine ;)
Now there's a point - is Hyndburn a registration district? |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
in fact it says Haslingden ( but it was early morning and a monday) so I guess it should have said Accrington:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
Except for the fact we don't have a maternity ward in Accrington anymore. So if you happened to be born on a pile of boxes at the slipper stall on Accy Market, your birth certificate would read Accrington.:D |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
The cost of each sign is around FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS! I see know one from the council has risen to the challenge, to deny the accuracy of my information. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I wish someone from the council would come on here and answer all the questions about cost, not just of the signs but of repainting the vehicles etc. And the point Gayle raised about do they plan to bring in the changes with a grand flourish or just fizzle them in gradually?
Perhaps they are hoping that if they just start out with £20,000 worth of signs we won't notice when they do the rest gradually over the years. |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
The main criteria here, may I repeat is: of what commercial value would the name change bring to cover the initial capital outlay ?
Can't find a sensible answer on this .. and I, and others here, believe 'sod all' !!!!! |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Well said Katex. I'd give you karma for that if it would let me! :)
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Well it looks like we've got the majority in favour now.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
I shall remain living in Oswaldtwistle whatever the outcome, and look forward to the prosperous, halcyon days of milk and honey to follow, that this change of name will bring... ...but will be keeping a beady eye on all the future costs, and new economic developments, then I can shout I TOLD YOU SO!:D |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
You should be a politician. I observed a similar biased vote at an Area Council meeting regarding a certain lamp in Ossy. Watching the plot unfold was very clever and quite enlightening as to the way of politics :D |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
Gary, you were born at Bramley Meade (before it became a house, which I have been in and it is an amazing place). What does your birth certificate say? No not the gender, your birth place :rolleyes::D |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
It will be complicated for genealogists in the future trying to work out where their ancestors lived from their place of birth.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
The letter's page of this weekend's Observer is weighted in favour of not changing the name of the borough.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I voted to leave well alone, no way is the cost worth the change.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
Kettle, pot, and black all jump to mind.:mad: |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
People in glass houses should watch who they are chucking stones at.
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
People on here may be surprised, but I am not bothered one way or the other, I'll go with the flow as it doesnt really Affect me. However, some of you may remember that I did write to the Obserer last year the gist of which was just add Hyndburn to the postal address i. e. my address would be Mallard Place, Oswaldtwistle, Accrington, Hyndburn, Lancashire, to me thats the easiest and cheapest way of getting Hyndburn known
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
with my address i just put :
(street name) oswaldtwistle, lancashire BB5 ... I dont agree with putting accrington, because i live in OSSY!!...its it's own town plus its confusing because there is already a few streets the same as mine in accy as for hyndburn, iv never put that or said i live in hyndburn |
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
I was born here and have always used the word Accrington never Hyndburn in any event Hyndburn Stanley just dosn't sound right
|
Re: Poll : Hyndburn or Accrington & District?
Quote:
|
| All times are GMT. The time now is 03:41. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
© 2003-2013 AccringtonWeb.com