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I've posted the pictures below to show how ridiculous HBC is. The Council works department turned up last night & erected a new fence along the edge of the pavement. No problem so far I hear you saying. This morning another Council official arrived to put markings on the pavement so that other workmen know where to place the new bollards. These new safety measure could potentially close down two businesses due to the fact that the bollards & fence stop customers from parking LEGALLY in front of their premises. The fence has been erected without any correspondence with the local businesses & when the Council official was asked where the deliveries are supposed to unload, he starred vacantly at the floor.

I asked Mr Council bod if the Council would be paying for the new signs to be erected at my premises, informing users that my car park that it was private property. Guess what his answer was? The sandwich shop has a delivery most mornings, that park on the land directly outside their shop, as does the chippy. These delivery vehicles are now going to have to park on the road causing an obstuction to all other road users.

Before the Council person left, he informed us that if the fence & bollards caused us a problem, then they would review the situation & possibly remove them.

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wheres the pics??? :confused:

edit: they've popped up now :o

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Picture "2" shows the gap left for the delivery drivers to get through.

All deliveries will now have to either unload from the main road or reverse down a side street negotiating parked cars, a bollard & a lamp post(picture "4").

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What on earth is it supposed to achieve?

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No idea. As you can see in picture "5", there are already white zig-zag lines to stop people parking on the main road near a pelican crossing.

As I type this, the Council works department are actually extending the fence right up to the junction.

:confused:

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Has there been lots of accidents, with people crossing the road and getting knocked down?

Incidentally I saw on TV the other day a trial that involved the removal of all street furniture, bollards, fences, signs etc., and accidents were greatly reduced in those three cities/towns.

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We are situated right next no a pelican crossing. I've lived here for seven months now, & in that time there hasn't even been a near miss.

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Besides wondering what it is supposed to achieve, I wonder how much it cost?

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Difficult to tell on your picture Accyjay as to the scale of the gap ... is there not enough room still then for a delivery van to get through ?

Did you actually ask them why ? As Garinda states will be some sort of safety issue ? Probably to protect the Moorhead pupils who insist on 'take away' meals at lunch, instead of staying for school meals. Somebody along the line must have pointed this out to the council, to prompt them to do this.

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Maybe it is to stop delivery vans driving on the foot path.

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I think it is Lancashire County Council who are responsible for the roads and footpaths. It was HBC but LCC took it back a couple of years ago.

It could have been HBC workers doing the work for LCC but LCC will have made the decision and funded it.

I maybe wrong of course, I often am :D

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Will have to remember you put this here. :p:D

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Please do :D

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there was an old lady killed by a car on that zebra crossing years ago, wonder if that was behind the thinking, could possibly be as it takes years for HBC to do owt,(if ever);)

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I am with Willow on this it must be for the safety of the pupils from Moorhead. Its likely its taken them this long to plan how to go about it as I used the same shops when I was at Moorhead. :eek:

Point to Cashy on that on the time thing. :)

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it is LCC not hbc doing the work it is to stop cars etc from parking on the pathway so cars etc comein up Hawksworth rd can see onto Whalley rd

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Councilor Pritchard was out there tonight overseeing the work. Some have said the it is down to LCC, but surely HBC should realise that this could put two shop owners out of business, due to the fact that their customers can no longer park outside.

Katex, the gap that they are proposing to leave would just about be big enough to get a Micra through. If the Council think that all delivery drivers shop users can use my car park, then, they are sadly mistaken.

:eek:

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On past performance the council isnt willing to make it easy for business so this might be to drive more away.

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I bet most of the kids would not bother waiting for it and cross anyway.

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Thats true and it will proberly need a few accidents to sadley instigate action. Had enough near missses when I attended.

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Just to clarify a point, neither Councillor Pritchards were there overseeing any work done here for two good reasons;
1. We can't oversee work
2. It was LCC doing the work not HBC.

I must say though that the barriers are a good thing, its not legal to park on a footpath and the fact that lots of these cars were reversing off the pavement onto a major road made it an accident waiting to happen.

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I had quite a lengthy conversation yesterday with Councilor Malcolm Pritchard about the work being carried out. He explained that the reason that the barriers were being erected, was that vehicles were parking on the pavement outside the shops, thus causing a hazard to pedestrian. Vehicles are only legally allowed to park directly outside the premises (inside the box on the photo below).

Also, he informed me that LCC not HBC made the decision, & that they are not erecting any bollards only an extended fence (more photo's to follow). I did ask though, if it was for safety reasons, why the entire length of the fence wasn't being painted in a bright colour (i.e. yellow or orange) due to it's proximity to a school. That way it would be seen from a greater distance away.

Finally, may I add that when I stated that Councilor Malcolm Prichard was "overseeing" the work, I should have said "observing".

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me, slinks and tinks all used to live up oakleigh, for as long as i can remember people have parked on that bit near the chippy and sandwich shop, infact the previous owners of the chippy(when it was a shop) used to park all there cars on there all the time(the Rafferty's) they had 2/3 cars that i know of, so why does the law suddenly change now? and why have the council wasted money on it? TRY SORTING THE TOWN CENTER OUT before starting on stupid piddly little things like that

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reason 1 is nit-picking clare, he WAS there,observing as accyjay said afterwards,as regards yer comment with the barriers, if thats whats happening then its a valid reason,no matter what folk with a vested interest say,whalley road is much busier these days than used to be,and if drivers are reversing on to it, then its Game Set n Match, for once i side with LCC.;)

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This was something else that I mentioned. Am I suposed to let their delivery vehicles unload from my car park? Who pay's for the "Private Car Park" signs that I am going to have to place by the entrance to my premises?

The chippy can only unload infront of their building. I already allow the staff at both the chippy & buttie shop to park their cars on my car park. There's no way though that i'm allowing extra delivery vehicles. Maybe the delivery vehicles should park on the main road causing more problems.

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why can the deliverys not park down the side street jay? it only needs LCC to put a sign or road marking to allow this.

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The side street already has parked cars on it, & is only wide enough for one car to get through at a time.

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They aren't supposed to park on double yellow lines or zig zags either but it's the norm on Blackburn Rd

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i also think that whinny hill needs road marking more clear

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Just thought i'd post a quick update. This morning a large lorry parked inside the gateway blocking access to delivery drivers to our premises. So, I decided that enough was enough & placed cones across the entrance after I had asked him to move his vehicle. Five minutes later look what happened.

The van (picture below) driver & his mate had just parked there while they went for their breakfast.

Come on Councilor Pritchard, please sort out this farce.

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You should have let his tyres down.

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You can also see from the photo, the tiny gap that was left for cars to get through. The fence hasn't stopped anybody from parking on the pavement, it's just made it harder for them to get back off afterwards. Hence they now block my gateway instead.

:mad:

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This is what the new fence was supposed to prevent.

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I might be wrong on this one but from looking at the pics and the drop down kerb the shops more than likely have vehicle access to the front, they've parked there for as long as I can remember, I think the railings are more to stop people driving from the "parking places" at the front of the shops straight onto the main road, if they didn't want vehicles to use it they would have put up more bollards like they have at the other end. Doesn't sort your problem out with delivery vans blocking your access though

Edit - and the car in the pic shouldn't be where he is, he should be in front of the shops :)

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Sorry to go on about this, but here's another update......................


You'll love this one.

I thought that this was against the law.

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Yes it is illegal. Maybe the council dept concerned should be notified.

I was wondering if you would be posting a picture of a white van parking across your entrance actually :)

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They will claimed its a sub contractor or that they (in their opinion) are entitled to park there to carry out a function thats nessessary and important.

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Still illegal -I know a delivery driver who was fined for parking on 6 inches! of a 'zigzag'

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I really don't think that watering the hanging baskets should be classed as necessary or important.

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If they don' t water them and the plants die they would then be accused of wasting council tax money. Seems like they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't:confused:

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Ah yes Accyjay, but there were lots of complaints last year about not
watering the hanging baskets .. can't have it both ways ..LOL. Just noticed Bernadette's post.

Noticed lots of 24/7 'no waiting' restrictions from today coming into force around your area ..Livingstone Road to Talbot Road and Wyresdale Avenue, First Avenue, Second Avenue, Cleveleys road, etc., sorry, no scanner so can't enter. This is not going to make it any better for you I'm afraid .. as will be tempting to park on your pub car park. Suspect is being brought in to stop Stanley fans parking there.

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Even after all that rain that has been making an appearence of late? :rolleyes:

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Yes you know how it is, there will be a hose-pipe ban next we haven't had any rain for at least two whole days:eek:

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i think its to stop kids running across the road.i think they should have painted it green to blend in with the plants;)we are now surrounded by grey fencing one at moorhead when others had theirs painted green.ill give it 2 months before somebody mangles it with a car like the rest next to the pelican crossing.