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Once again there are calls for drivers over the age of 70 handing in their license to drive or at least being forced to have a re-test. Because it is claimed and proved by quoting some octogenarian causing an accident, that people who are getting on in years are a danger not only to other road users but to themselves as well.

First of all one swallow does not a summer make. In other words just because there are a few older people who are a danger on the roads it doesn’t automatically follow that all 70+ drivers are the same. Indeed most 70+ drivers will have some 50 years of driving experience behind them and do not go tearing around as an accident waiting to happen. They tend to keep to the speed limits – which annoys the hell out of some other drivers because it slows them down too. So they call for them to be chucked off the roads. Older drivers tend to obey the traffic lights and are not amber gamblers. This too annoys the fool behind who thinks that the driver in front should have stormed through on amber.

Finally a word to all those who would like older drivers off the road - be careful what you wish for because it will affect you at some time.

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Some older drivers arent fit to be driving but some are where do you draw the line? I dont know whether i will drive again but at least i know that i will not cause an accident. So what do you do to make sure that a driver is fit to drive you give them a medical. What age do you give them a medical? Nice round number lets pick 70. Maybe just maybe that everyone before getting behind the wheel should have a medical. That might make the older drivers who are not fit to drive make them think when it comes up for their driving licence renewal that just maybe that they get rid of the car. Im not saying all 70 years and above are unfit but some are mind you there are some that are not fit to be driving who are driving at the age of 18 but thats why everyone does a medical and say every five years until they reach the age of 70 and then a medical every year or 2 years. To make sure they are medically fit and mentally fit to drive a car.

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I gave up driving because of some of the reasons stated above, everyone is in a hurry, as soon as some drivers get behind the wheel of a car they 'sprout horns' and turn into road bullies. These people 'manufacture' situation that don't exist, they drive like mad tear round roundabouts only to be confronted by a red light, and the car they cut up pulls slowly behind them. Why is everyone in such a big hurry to get nowhere:confused:

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Bus drivers and lorry drivers have renewal licence medicals and it costs them LOADS O' MONEY. I cant see such medicals for older drivers being a practical or tolerable answer. Most of us oldies who drive are aware that our night vision is affected by age. I personally never drive on unlit roads after dark.
We have to accept that there are awful drivers in all age groups - and more are under 25s ,as reflected in insurance premiums.

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The system that is in place today seems to be about as fair as you can get without discriminating against certain age groups.

As I approached 70 I had to re-apply for my license and declare that I was fit to drive and could read a car number plate 25 yards distant, which I can with ease in normal daylight. In fact I can read most road signs long before the average person. As I understand it I will have to re-apply for my driving license every three years and somewhere along the way I will need a ‘fitness to drive’ note from my GP.

Although some older drivers can be a nuisance to other road users, so can most of the others. If all drivers stuck to the Highway Code there would be no problem. The problems arise because a huge percentage of drivers seem to think that the Highway Code is for others and not them.

Although my night driving vision must have deteriorated some it hasn’t got so bad that I feel uncomfortable driving at night. But none-the-less I avoid doing so on unfamiliar roads.

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It is too easy to lump all the old drivers together and tar them with the same brush.....I think it is unfair and a sweeping generalisation.

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Older drivers tend to respect other road users so are less likely to cause a "situation". Most of them have done their "dashing about" and now have time to enjoy driving. 70 is far too soon to declare a person incapable without individual circumstances dictating so. As I see it the worst drivers on the road today are females up to the age of 30 {in most cases**. If a person has a record which raises concern, that person should have to resit the driving exam, regardless of age.

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My Grandad aged 70 needs to drive 20 miles to hospital and back three times a week..... everytime he goes, it's usually 2/3 am he gets back. He needs dialysis. So what happens then if 70+ year old drivers aren't allowed to drive anymore? Not only will my Grandad be left struggling and also many others.
Lea
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I think all drivers should be tested every three years, regardless of age. The bad driving, and lack of courtesy exhibited by mainly young drivers, is appalling.

Then again I'm just bitter, as I am due to be retested in October. A twenty mile drive around Wigan, plus an hour pressing buttons and pedals to test my reaction speeds, will either mean my licence will be renewed for three years, as it was last time, or renewed for a year, or will be taken off me.

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totally agree, but how much would that cost? who would pay? how many would do that?

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It could be a whole new industry, now we are no longer an industrial nation, or even a service centre nation, now that more and more call centres are moving out to the third world.;)

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I agree with Rindy and have said so on more than oen occasion on AW. retests every 5 years irrespective of age should be compulsory. It will improve teh standard of driving considerably. I see far too many poor drivers on the roads for there to be any other answer. Who would pay is one question that has been levied. It costs this country billions in lost production, health services, Police, insurance etc. A simple 1 hour test would be sufficient to test the majority of driving skills. and is not a big ask of everyone every 5 years

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I can agree to a certain point about being retested, but - all these drivers have passed a test, it only takes 45-60 mins of driving to get a licence, you will never stop what they drive like after.
1 good thing though is they/we will have to read the highway code again, i'll admit i've never seen one since I passed my 2nd driving test

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I'm with all of you on the re-testing. Everyone, regardless of age, should have to have a driving test, periodically, and a compulsory sight test. When it comes to older drivers, 70+, the main problem is likely to be eyesight rather than competence.

I've a few years to go before I reach my 3 score years and 10 but I have my eyes tested every year. The day the optician tells me my sight isn't good enough to drive, I will stop driving. I don't want to be a danger on the roads, either to myself or any one else.

It's true some people's mental agility slows down with age but, to be realistic, 70 isn't the age when a magic switch is thrown and, whoops, you're ga-ga. I've known highly competent 80 year olds and very dubious 50 year olds. It's down to individuals. I also see a lot of much younger people whose mental faculties I wonder about from the way they drive, like idiots.

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I agree absolutely Westender, I don't care if someone is 37 or 97, what I care about is if they are fit to be driving.

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Yes i must agree there with you they should take a re test i have a mate what live,s round the corner and he gave up driveing at 60 years of age and now he is 70+ and still holds a full car licence and he won,t go back on the road now,so he got his bus pass and thats what i think o.a.p.s should do and i would like to say sorry if some of you are reading this at that age

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Worst drivers by far are young men ... they seem only to be familiar with one pedal, the gas pedal. Most accidents are caused either by inexperience or by aggressiveness. Ontario has only recently introduced a graduated licence system; but for the elderly, after 80 they require an annual test. Not a special one, the same one that a new licence applicant has. As some have mentioned, the elderly drivers are experienced, and are usually cautious. Two big plusses. The insurance companies, who must be in the know, charge drivers under 25 more for insurance than they do drivers over 70. In Ontario, a 70 yr. old driver with a clean driving record, will probably pay only about 500 bucks a year for full coverage.

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On the face of it re-testing every driver every few years makes sense but have you thought it through. There is always a waiting list to take a driving test now so imagine what it would do if re-tests were introduced. I reckon that test centres would have to expand by a factor of five to cope with the extra workload. If nothing else it would take years to train the extra examiners needed.

There are upwards of 10,000,000 drivers in this country so let us assume that a re-test is required every five years that would be upwards of 2,000,000 per year. Even if re-tests were carried out 7 days a week it would still mean 5,479 re-tests per day countrywide.

It just wouldn’t be practical.

Probably a better solution would be to make each new driver take an advanced driving course and test no later than 5 years after they passed the test. If they don’t take the test during that time they lose their license until they do.

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That’s why there are 3 mirrors so that you can see what is coming up behind you. Remember – mirror, signal and if clear execute.

A competent driver should not only know what is ahead but also know what is coming up behind.

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The same criticisms and negativity were probably levelled at the Fisher Education Act of 1918, which saw compulsory education for all children.

If you want something to happen, and it's for the good of all, you can make things happen.

The cost will be a lot less than going to war, and in this case will actually save, not end lives.

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if you had said "Know Your Limitations" would have asked fer yer autograph.:D

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summat "Clint Eastwood used to say in his early films.:D though he wasn't driving lol

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goverment figures show that one third of road deaths involing a car a driven by 17-25 year old driver .this age group acounts for 1 in eight licence holders.so were the blame lies is not just with young drivers what about the other two thirds of deaths.young drivers are being target as i have said before in my opinion because it is a easey way for the goverment to take volume of traffic of the roads in years to come thats why test are becoming harder thats why lessons are more expensive.NOT ALL YOUNG ONES ARE BAD

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heh, your figures are a bit out, ABI2006 puts number of private car owners as 25 million. It would not be unheard of to improve things that some people feel are too 'hard' .

Even taking this number 25million = 5 M/year across the 370 test centres = 40 tests per day extra. or at 45 mins each 5 extra examiners/centre. Not exactly unachieveable now is it. You would probably save nearly 5 people (traffic plod/nurses/doctors/ambulance/recovery drivers/insurance assessors) each day in reduced accidents etc.

See, think things through and its not that hard to come up with workable solutions.

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Got to agree mallard, did the same thing myself, still have a full licence but wild horses would not get me behind a steering wheel again. Not only do I not drive I feel unsafe with other drivers, everyone drives far to fast for safety these days.

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My figures were conservative so as not to weight my point in favour of it. My original guesstimate was 20 million full driving license holders.

I’m assuming that your figure of 370 test centres is a correct one so 5,000,000 extra re-tests would mean 13,513 per centre. Ignoring Sundays and Bank Holidays that would be about 310 days per year or 44 re-tests per day per centre. Even if a re-test took 45 minutes there would still be some 15 minutes ‘change over’ time. Even examiners are entitled to a break - by law.

However all that apart how long would it take to train 1,850 extra examiners to the required standard? It certainly couldn’t be done in a few months. More like a few years. How much does an examiner earn? Well it is advertised that a driving instructor can earn £30K so taking that as a yardstick it would cost a minimum of over half a billion quid just to provide the extra examiners not forgetting the cost of the test centres expansion to cope with the extra staff. I doubt if you would get much change out of TWO BILLION QUID.

It all sounds nice in theory but the reality of the situation is that it would be too expensive to set up even if the incompetent civil servants could actually do so without cocking things up.

I reckon the government would rather keep on increasing the duty on fuel and Road Fund License and price many drivers off the road that way. Fewer cars, fewer accidents.

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I work on the road and it is mainly Mr BMW or Mr merc that seem to think that they have right of way over everyone. Old drivers are a pain as they trundle along at 20-25 in a 30 area and 40 on a dual carriage way. Alot dont even notice me in my big bright yellow and red van.

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Try ringing your bell more.;)

http://www.davidwood.org.uk/images/q...birthday_3.jpg

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sad muppet that I am I know what sort of car that is...................

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it would be worth lots of money if that would have been a golley wog next to noddey

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Just because a road sign shows 30, 40, 50, 60 or 70 mph it doesn’t mean that everyone has to dash along at that speed. The road sign is a SPEED LIMIT meaning that you must not exceed that limit and that means that you can travel at any speed UNDER that limit subject to the road conditions.

I find that Mr BMW and Mr Merc, as you put it, have more respect for their vehicles to try and force their right of way. It is silly to generalise a driver by the car he drives but if you must go down that road then I would suggest that most 4 x 4 drivers are the ones who are pushy.

Drivers in vans of any colour are the real pain in the butt. They hurtle around as if they own the road and try to push the car in front to go faster by tailgating.

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I'm sorry my actions have brought you distress, but my feet cannot join in the queue.
I'm afraid I have problems with getting around-I'm not quick and lively like you.
It takes me some time to get anything done, which is why I'm not shopping at dawn.
I do hope one day yo'ure not in the 'same boat', otherwise you'll be feeling forlorn.
Just try to have patience with people like me, we'd all like our health in full bloom, It's not like we are pushing to get way ahead.
We just need a little more room. Mrs A Samuels.
Enfield, Middlesex. via Daily Mail.

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So do I.

It's a Noddy Car!!! :D

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Nope, try again
:D

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I agree with Jambutty, retesting is impracticlal, I think that people over a certain age should look at themselves and ask the question "am I fit to drive" or better stile a close relative should ask. My Father was over 80 and I had to tell him to call it a day before he killed himself or caused anaccident, he took my advice.

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Some people might not have concerned relatives, or even if they do, choose to ignore their advice.

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The current system may not be perfect but its what we have now and tinkering with it will only discriminate against some drivers.

To all those under 65’s clammering to get the older drivers off the road just remember that one day you too may reach 65+ and when you do your view will change.

So be careful what you wish for today.

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Is it a Jowet Javelin,MG or a Riley?

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Is it not the Vignale Gamine Ian??

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:D

Yes it is Miss,

There is one in Keswick at Cars of the Stars

based on Fiat 500 mechanicals....

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woohoo do I win a prize?? or karma at least :D and am I also a sad muppet??

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Noddy, wait until you have more posts under your belt before deducting karma. It doesn't even go red, just a dreary, but a very fitting, grey colour.;)

:D

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There's your problem .... too many cars crammed into such a small place ... time to get rid of some of them ... or build a bigger island:rolleyes: