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Royboy39 24-07-2007 10:21

Housing shortage - No wonder!!
 
I have just come across this tit-bit on BBC news.

BBC NEWS | Politics | 713,000 new foreign workers in UK

Ianto.W. 24-07-2007 10:44

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It is becoming a nightmare, Panorama last night did a programe on Immigrationand and Slough. This area has always had a very high proportion of immigrants, it is now the 'first choice' of eastern europeans. They are having to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds building a reception centre, to cope with the level of these new economic immigrants at the expense of other services.
They are also living in illegal sheds and garages at ridiculous rents, these shanty dwellers do not appear on the immigrant figures, giving a distorted view of the number arriving on their doorstep.

Royboy39 24-07-2007 10:53

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 452934)
It is becoming a nightmare, Panorama last night did a programe on Immigrationand and Slough. This area has always had a very high proportion of immigrants, it is now the 'first choice' of eastern europeans. They are having to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds building a reception centre, to cope with the level of these new economic immigrants at the expense of other services.
They are also living in illegal sheds and garages at ridiculous rents, these shanty dwellers do not appear on the immigrant figures, giving a distorted view of the number arriving on their doorstep.

Never mind Global Warming........I think with the weight of that lot and the ones unaccounted for, the UK is sinking........Further.

Ianto.W. 24-07-2007 11:00

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 452936)
Never mind Global Warming........I think with the weight of that lot and the ones unaccounted for, the UK is sinking........Further.

In my humble opinion there is not a lot we can do about 'global warming', but if we take a few leaves out of Spain and France's book we can do something about immigration, don't make them as welcome as we do. Spain and France do not employ immigrants if there is a national wanting a job, and they do not 'throw' money at them like we do.:cool:

cashman 24-07-2007 11:12

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we watched panorama and what was striking was the number of immigrants who settled here 30/40 years ago all singing the same tune= Stop this Madness now,they were all saying the infrastructure cannot cope with these thousands of "new immigrants" the government do/will not accept they are even here, so the councils funding does noway adequately cover what they need for these people, so they have to make cut-backs in areas and the "real population of slough suffer. RIDICULOUS.:(

Royboy39 24-07-2007 11:22

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 452942)
In my humble opinion there is not a lot we can do about 'global warming', but if we take a few leaves out of Spain and France's book we can do something about immigration, don't make them as welcome as we do. Spain and France do not employ immigrants if there is a national wanting a job, and they do not 'throw' money at them like we do.:cool:

The difference between the UK, France and Spain is that the UK Government
obey and enact European laws if they think there is a chance of extracting more taxes and fines from the people so that they can squander the money on hair brained ideas.
Spain and France on the other hand (If they feel it's not in the countries interest) Tell the Europeans to 'Sod off' or completely ignore the edict.

WillowTheWhisp 24-07-2007 11:26

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Is it dangerous to suggest that it could be non-PC to criticise the number of immigrants we are now welcoming into this country?

cashman 24-07-2007 11:28

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 452950)
Is it dangerous to suggest that it could be non-PC to criticise the number of immigrants we are now welcoming into this country?

probably willow,but never mistake me for someone who gives a S***.;)

Royboy39 24-07-2007 11:35

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 452950)
Is it dangerous to suggest that it could be non-PC to criticise the number of immigrants we are now welcoming into this country?

It's a political issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That should be addressed by the public.

WillowTheWhisp 24-07-2007 11:45

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My own personal opinion on the subject is that we are a small country with limited resources in danger of bursting at the seams.

That is not a racist opinion. It applies to every potential immigrant regardless of race creed colour or any other identifying feature.

What I find difficult to understand is why some people find great difficulty in getting into this country by legitimate means (such as the husband or wife of someone born in this country who has married them when both were working elsewhere and now the UK national wants to come home and can't bring his or her husband or wife with them) yet other people seem to be able to come here willy-nilly.

cashman 24-07-2007 11:55

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 452964)
My own personal opinion on the subject is that we are a small country with limited resources in danger of bursting at the seams.

That is not a racist opinion. It applies to every potential immigrant regardless of race creed colour or any other identifying feature.

What I find difficult to understand is why some people find great difficulty in getting into this country by legitimate means (such as the husband or wife of someone born in this country who has married them when both were working elsewhere and now the UK national wants to come home and can't bring his or her husband or wife with them) yet other people seem to be able to come here willy-nilly.

sometimes that issue can be a "very grey" area.

Ianto.W. 24-07-2007 11:56

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The one thing that I did find disturbing was, a certain section of the population of Slough renting illegal sheds and garages to the latest batch to arrive as there is no alternative accomodation available. Surely the law could take action about this? On second thoughts maybe a blind eye is the best solution, lest the problem becomes the Councils.;)

cashman 24-07-2007 11:59

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Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 452969)
The one thing that I did find disturbing was, a certain section of the population of Slough renting illegal sheds and garages to the latest batch to arrive, as there is no alternative accomodation available. Surely the law could take action about this? On second thoughts maybe a blind eye is the best solution, lest the problem becomes the Councils.;)

the problem is still the councils n the population that already live in slough,all the extra rubbish for starters, gets dumped either in alleyways or in peoples bins.

Ianto.W. 24-07-2007 12:08

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 452971)
the problem is still the councils n the population that already live in slough,all the extra rubbish for starters, gets dumped either in alleyways or in peoples bins.

Watching that programe last night made me realise how well off we are, the people of Slough have an intolerable situation on their hands. The beggars, prostitutes and muggers from ? are a curse indeed!

jackyalex 24-07-2007 13:40

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i watched the tv program last night too,i do believe that there are too many immagrants unacounted for,but what i seen was people who were once immagrants are now complaining that there are too many here,

Bagpuss 24-07-2007 15:21

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Put me in charge of imigration I'm sure I could sort out the situation amicably.
This thread seems a bit one sided where are the people who believe that multiculturism is good for England and we should be welcoming the immigrants and all the good things they bring with them?

cashman 24-07-2007 15:31

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 453002)
Put me in charge of imigration I'm sure I could sort out the situation amicably.
This thread seems a bit one sided where are the people who believe that multiculturism is good for England and we should be welcoming the immigrants and all the good things they bring with them?

Then stand for Election bagpuss my man.:D you may just get the job.:D

mrjdallen 24-07-2007 15:33

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wish i could afford a morgage - still have to rent

Royboy39 24-07-2007 15:41

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 453002)
Put me in charge of imigration I'm sure I could sort out the situation amicably.
This thread seems a bit one sided where are the people who believe that multiculturism is good for England and we should be welcoming the immigrants and all the good things they bring with them?

I think they have gone to a place of light relief............with a rug round 'em.

SPUGGIE J 24-07-2007 15:49

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Originally Posted by mrjdallen (Post 453007)
wish i could afford a morgage - still have to rent

Same here though it may sound cruel and sick but the only way I could have a mortgage is if the bubble bursts and prices crash. There would be that many up for sale I could pick and choose which given a few years would start another boom.

mrjdallen 24-07-2007 15:56

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just wish the houses that were all boarded up were for sale for about £20,000 - £30,000 still could not afford but at least i could get a loan. thought about going to an auction but is it worth it?

SPUGGIE J 24-07-2007 16:07

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Originally Posted by mrjdallen (Post 453027)
just wish the houses that were all boarded up were for sale for about £20,000 - £30,000 still could not afford but at least i could get a loan. thought about going to an auction but is it worth it?

Personally no I don't think its worth it. There are still those out there buying them doing them up for the rental market besides which you could end up something that might need extensive repairs or modinisation.

lettie 24-07-2007 17:09

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It's not just housing and councils who are suffering. The NHS is going under with the added weight of extra people to treat and less nurses on the shop floor. We are absolutely run ragged and are dangerously short staffed throughout the country. Tea breaks are a thing of the past, I worked a 13 1/2 hour shift yesterday with just half an hours break, our hospitals are heaving but the government just keeps on cutting beds......:(

When you look at the criteria for immigration to places like Australia, Canada and New Zealand (and believe me, I've looked), there are hundreds of hoops to jump through for skilled migrants. Here, we are taking people with limited skills into jobs which our home grown youngsters should be made to do. I appreciate that some (not all) of our youngsters would rather sit on their backsides and claim benefits instead of working in a menial job but I believe that state handouts should not be an option to anybody under the age of 21 who hasn't ever worked.

Anybody care to put me in charge? :D;)

WillowTheWhisp 24-07-2007 18:57

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Originally Posted by lettie (Post 453044)
I appreciate that some (not all) of our youngsters would rather sit on their backsides and claim benefits instead of working in a menial job but I believe that state handouts should not be an option to anybody under the age of 21 who hasn't ever worked.

Anybody care to put me in charge? :D;)

I would go along with that Lettie, apart from genuine cases of people unable to work.

Ianto.W. 25-07-2007 11:01

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Originally Posted by jackyalex (Post 452990)
i watched the tv program last night too,i do believe that there are too many immagrants unacounted for (but what i seen was people who were once immagrants are now complaining that there are too many here)

I thought that was a little ironic to;).

Mancie 25-07-2007 11:15

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stop chatting, umming and ahhing, and get on with building some houses for Gawd sake!

Mancie 25-07-2007 11:26

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A resident interviewed in TV whom claimed to be the represntative of the some local village Was ranting and raving about immigration being the cause of the floods!!!..Opposistion to the building of new homes is based on the pure selfesness of well-to-do Old Tories not wanting to spoil the view other the village green, they care not for the welfare of the vast majority of this Nation.

Mancie 25-07-2007 11:30

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 453002)
Put me in charge of imigration I'm sure I could sort out the situation amicably.

Oh Dear..time to stock up on gas and convert the showers!

Ianto.W. 25-07-2007 12:19

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 453002)
Put me in charge of imigration I'm sure I could sort out the situation amicably.
This thread seems a bit one sided where are the people who believe that multiculturism is good for England and we should be welcoming the immigrants and all the good things they bring with them?

You can definitly have the job Bagpuss, and all them that go with it.:D:D

Bagpuss 25-07-2007 14:34

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 453180)
stop chatting, umming and ahhing, and get on with building some houses for Gawd sake!

These houses would be for English people of course !!!:D

Bagpuss 25-07-2007 14:40

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 453191)
Oh Dear..time to stock up on gas and convert the showers!

:eek:What are you implying Mancie?:eek:

That would be a waste of resourses, the solution in simple terms is shut the borders and politely tell the ones who have invaded us since the new EU regulations allowed them into our country to kindly return to where they came from, if they refuse then that's a different matter.;)

Wynonie Harris 26-07-2007 21:47

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 453246)
the solution in simple terms is shut the borders and politely tell the ones who have invaded us since the new EU regulations allowed them into our country to kindly return to where they came from, if they refuse then that's a different matter.;)

Quite a radical solution, Bagpuss, considering that free movement of people is enshrined in EU principles and we, whether we like it or not, are members of the EU.

Well, how about this for a different sort of radical solution? Instead of demonising law-abiding Poles and Lithuanians who have come here to try to better their lot, how about starting on a sizeable minority of the British population - the thugs, the yobs, the violent criminals, the child-abusers, and, before you say it, the muslim fundamentalists, in fact the whole rich substrata of scum who are currently making this country an unpleasant place to live in. How about stripping them of their British citizenship permanently and coming to some arrangement with a suitably despotic farway country to take them off our hands and use them as slave labour? We could start with the three specimens who attacked an ambulance and possibly caused an elderly's man's death.

A radical solution? Yes Unworkable? Maybe. But. as far as I'm concerned it's infinitely more just than your radical solution. Because, in my experience, the vast majority of foreigners I come into contact with in this country are quite reasonable people. The ones who cause me problems, the ones who throw stones at my wife's car because she's a "******* foreigner", the ones who swear at old ladies on the buses I travel on, the ones who have caused town centres to become violent no-go areas on Friday and Saturday nights are, in the main, British-born scum. And, quite frankly, I would rather see them deported and the "vacancies" on this fair isle filled by law-abiding, hard-working foreigners. But I suppose that's just being unpatriotic, isn't it?

cashman 27-07-2007 00:05

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unpatriotic is not the word i would use wynonie. more "splendid" thats what i think of your idea.;)

lettie 27-07-2007 07:49

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I agree.... A brilliant idea. The problem would be where to send them???

Australia will no longer take our scumbags and would be a crap place to go on holiday if it did..:D

Wynonie Harris 27-07-2007 08:06

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No, you're right, we sent enough of our miscreants to Australia the last time our government had this policy.

But how about some third world regime? We could even pay them to keep the new arrivals in secure prison camps. It'd help their economy and it'd certainly be cheaper than keeping the sods in British prisons, with all their attendant facilities like TVs, computers etc!


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