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The council obviously know all about it from what the MP and the arndale say.. so we really need a reply from them..

If theres nothing happening then we can come up with ideas.. we can also contact the papers to highlight the situation and any organisations as listed earlier by Doug. In other words rally the troops..

Only when we are armed with all the information can we take it to the next step :)

Maybe..just maybe (fingers crossed) the council ahve already thought of summat :)

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Well done Kipax. Thinking about the problem of where to site the clock, there are not many possible venues where public access and supervision can be guaranteed. Here is my list; Accrington Library(I think it would look great in the children's section), Hyndburn Sports Centre, Accrington Market Hall, Accrington and Rosendale College, the Post Office on Abbey Street, or maybe ASDA could give it a home. There would also be the possibility of insisting that it form part of either the Broadway revamp or the new Rail/Bus Station development.

Failing that, could we not ask HBC to house it in a glass box of some description, in the same manner as the war memorial from the Sacred Heart? If they could do that then the possible locations are vastly increased.

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The Post Office is too small. We need a place with very high ceilings. If Asda was used it would have to be just inside the store. Not been inside the college for years so can't say what the space is like in there. Part of the new Broadway development may be the way to go. I'll bet money that the Council will never agree to it going in the Town Hall. :)

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Cant be outside, not even in a glass box.. thats a given. It has to be indoors and where a glass box could be considered indoors it would need to be ebig enough for when it opens.... something all glass and tat big would very quickly look a compete mess .. even if it wasnt vandalised.. the elements would make the glass look a mess.

glass box is a good idea at first thought.. but not really practical.

i agree a couple of those plces are to smal.. the clock if massive... dot know the dimensions.... also when its working it would be a distraction....

its a difficult one sure enough...

BTW No response from council today... but then again it is a bit early as they only got my letter yesterday:)

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I’ve being over a least 8 times in the last 4 weeks or so and I still haven’t been in to the town centre. So it’s difficult for me to visualise where the bloody thing could go. Do we not have any heritage centres at all over there?

If you’re successful with this enterprise, and I think you’ve made a big enough impact locally with Greg Pope to give a 50/50 chance. Maybe we (you) could encourage Mr Pope to try and get HBC to submit an application to the Heritage lottery fund, for restoration and placement costs. It’s a long shot I know, but there have lesser projects that have receive funding.

Has for a location? ****** that going to be a difficult one in it’s your intentions to keep in Accrington.

A few Blind suggests just to get people thinking “For When the Time Comes”

Sports centre Church
Ossy Mills
Stanley’s Ground – Main Entrance? “I not seen it, so please don’t paddy at me lads”


By the way have Stanley tried for funding from the Lottery?

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Library is out of the question. Supposed to be quiet places. :)
Sports Centre - can't think where, the only places in there with ceilings possibly high enough are used as sports halls, the foyer isn't big enough or high enough.

Same with the college, only places maybe high enough and big enough there would be the gym or main hall. These are regularly used for exams so thats not an option. In any case the college isn't a place where the public in general go on a regular basis unless they are studying.

Can't help thinking it shouldn't be in any retail establishment that isn't owned by the council, otherwise the same thing could be happening again in a few years time.

Quite like Bob's idea of it being integrated into the Bus/Rail development some how if undercover space is available.

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>>Library is out of the question. Supposed to be quiet places.<<

Have you been in the library lately? It is more like a meeting place for the Fishwives and Mill Girls Social Club, than a place of study. And then there are the 'hyperactive' little darlings running all over the place. 'Hyperactive' being the current fashionable excuse for ill-behaved and wilful children.

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Excuse a slight thread wander while I agree with Bob for a minute there. I was trying to study in the reference library not long ago and a group of kids with (presumably) a teacher were also there and making enough of a disturbance to put me totally off what I was doing. I was naive enough to think that the reference library of all places should be a quiet haven for study so I approached the member of staff at the desk to ask if they could request a bit of hush. I was told that if I wanted a quieter location I could opt to lock myself in a private cubicle! Apparently chattering in the reference library is now considered acceptable.

This idea of the clock as a focal point of new train/bus station sounds good. Any idea how long it will be before that is likely to be created and will the clock be safe meanwhile?

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I just noticed your tribute website Willow. :)

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Nine days after sending a FAX/Letter to the council and Nine days after they have recieved it. Still no reply.

Greg Pope offered to write to them at the same time. A letter would have been recieved 5-7 days ago.. Nothing from GP as yet

The council arn't exactly well known for the speed they act so I guess we wait.


The Accrington Observer have agreed to do a story on the whole thing and have agreed to feature this website as it brought us all together as a community to do something good... For reason I ain't going to go into I have declined to be a part of the article or be interviewed.. This is an accyweb.com thing :)

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It is now two weeks since Hyndburn council recieved my fax regarding there decision on the offer made to them by the arndale manager to relocate the arndale clock.

The clock designer, the Accy observer, The Arndale manager and even Greg Pope MP have all responded withing a reasonable time. But not the Hyndburn council who two weeks later havent even had the good manners to at least aknowledge the correspondence let alone answer it.

I have just phoned the appropriate appartment to be spoken to by a very off hand secretary whos attitude can only be described as annoyed at being disturbed by a phone call... Who informed me that the person I need to speak to is out of the office and wil be given my message tommorow.

I ahve purposely not told you who.. But If I ahve no reply by end of office hours tommorow I will publish his Tel, Fax, email and postal details so you can all ask him why he is ignoring us:)

Meanwhile the Observer ahve informed me that the Arndale clock story is done and "should" be in this weeks Obsever.. this I presume will mean excellent publicity for accyweb.com as a community who can at least come together and try to make a difference. I believe they have spoken to Roy and Atarah (not me by my request) So looking forward to that :)

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Is there any chance that we can have the Observers report scanned an put up on the site KIPAX for those of out of the area.

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If it isn't published on the observer website then yes... good idea

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Good work, Kipax. Though I cannot say that I am at all surprised by HBC's snotty secretary and lack of response. They seem to regard us plebs as something of an inconvenience. When this thread was first raised I contacted the councillor for my ward, needless to say the response was much the same, ie no response at all. This is where being polite gets you. Still, I suppose that you have to try the conventional route first.

If you get no response by tomorrow you can count on a letter to the tardy official from me.

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Yeah, well done Kipax...you're like a good dog with a rat in it's mouth - you've not let go on this one.
I'm just wondering if it it not be worth sending a letter to to the local goverment omburdsman detailing the gross incompetance of this council and it's employees on the matter.

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just been told by my contact at the observer that the story is FRONT PAGE :)


Now I am worried.. I hope they did accyweb.com proud...

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Oh dear... when I spoke to them I had no idea this was lined up for front page!! :O I am also worried! What time are they available?

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Hope its not a shot ourselves in the foot situation...


signed....worried of accrington.....


PS... Cheer up.. all publicity is good publicity.....erk :)

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Roy, the Newsagents at the bottom of Whalley Rd 'Mulla's' normally has Observers for sale by about 4.30pm on Thursdays, I believe Asda has them by Thursday evenings too. It may be worth trying your local newsagent at tea time.


Well done Kipax..:thumbsup:

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oo i think we will all be dashing out for them, i plugged accyweb & the clock when they rang up for details bout micks do ////ive got my bags packed he he he he

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Perhaps if we all go to the newsagents nearest to us we can buy all the copies thus preventing any embarresment.

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I can't go into details but I have been reliably informed that its a good hard hitting news story.... accyweb come out well... nothing embarresssing :)

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Oh yeagh... No reply from the Council and I am off to Morecambe at 1pm (expect seaside pics later hehe) so i wont see any... hmmm Off you go lads n lasses

Nigel Rix
Director
Hyndburn FIRST
The Globe Centre
St James' Square
Accrington
BB5 0RE

tel:01254 600600
fax:01254 600609
email:[email protected]


Ask him why he has blanked us.,...Over 14 days since he got my letter and not even a confirmation of reciept to say dealing wiht it... Nothing at all :(

I imagine emails will be ignored...

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He's probably at Morecombe on his holidays, thats why he's blanked us.

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Hi, am just catching up with all the postings re the clock. Know what? I think ASDA as an appropriate place sounds .. cool!!!! That way loads of local people would still continue to "enjoy" it

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What! The Supermarket from Sudan? No way, Atarah.........have you taken leave of your senses?

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Why the hell would Accyweb on the front page be in any way embarassing?! I am looking forward to it.

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just got the observer, yes we HAVE made the FRONT PAGE it says that " timely web campaign saves clock"

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Methinks the Observer has been "making things up" - read for yourself!
Sorry, cant get the print large enough for you all to read. Will keep trying.

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And it doesn't mention accyweb at all!! :(

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Atarah,

I can't get it up, can you reload your attachment. It keeps say it’s an invalid attachment……

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http://www.accringtonobserver.co.uk/..._id=11523.html

This is on the Observer web site.

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no they havnt roy, but said local website? do they mean theirs ummm, wot a shame though micks photos not in, wonder if its anything to do with the fact that it was an accy webbers birthday (which was mentioned )//////

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Sorry Atarah, I've got it now. Cheers Bazf.

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"Website user, Roy Westwood"...................

can they never get it right?????

Mick's party pic will probably be next month Mez!!

They've just put a picture in this week about Boy's Brigade, and that was taken on July 2nd :rolleyes:

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Just got back from a damp day in Morecambe.. litrally got the paper 5 minutes ago..

Its good news bad news....

GOOD is that the campaign seems to ahve worked and they are going to relocate it.... Dont forget thats what it was about..... highlighting accyweb was secondry and unfortunatly that didnt quite happen :( Shame...

But ....

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;) When the clock does come back no doubt the politicians will want to jump on the band wagon & stage a grand re-openining, What about suggesting that Atarah should be the one to cut the ribbon or whatever they plan to do?

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So if HBC have decided to keep it and are just looking for a suitable site then why haven't they replied to Kipax? I doubt if any further action has been taken by the council or any thought gone into the issue since it was dismantled. I noticed that there was no quote from anyone at HBC - this makes me wonder whether the issue has been worked on since this started or whether the Observer are just reporting HBC's statement from when the clock was first offered to them. Hopefully though this kind of publicity will force HBC to get their collective lame arses into gear. I believe that the idea of re-locating the clock has maybe been on HBC's agenda all along - but that the lack of a suitable place is the only (rather large) stumbling block. It would be nice of them to let Kipax know of their intentions instead of finding out through the local paper which worrying contained no official comment from the council.

Well done to all concerned including the Observer, but "protest meetings were organised" - don't you just love the press' poetic license?!

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I'm sorry i missed all the protest meetings
if someone would kindly let me know when the next one is we will be there !!

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I also wonder if the whole thing is done.... I would like to see an official reply from HBC as to there intentions... We cant hold a newspaper article to them as proof of intention.

Well did anyone contact the council...I gave all the contact information and must stress again.. emails will probably be ignored by them..

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Would it be feasable to contact the Sun or Mirror or even the news of the screws then the council couldnt back down?

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I've just briefly come home for a couple of days in the middle of my holidays and seen the story on the front page of the Observer. On first reading the story it sounds like a success for the Clock Campaigners and that HBC have agreed that we can have it back somewhere ..... but now I'm wondering if perhaps all the Observer have done is to take the Accyweb side of the story as supplied by Kipax and apply poetic licence (or the newspaper equivalent) and arrive at premature conclusions. (Having been the subject of one of their rather erroneous reports myself I do understand not to take everything read in the Observer at face value)

Maybe we can be optimistic though in view of the fact that Greg Pope supports the return of the clock. Surely the council can't sit back and do nothing now or they would look rather foolish.

P.S. Wet in Morecambe yesterday wasn't it Kipax? We were there getting drenched too. We've had a few days in a soggy field at Carnforth this last week.

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For the record I didnt supply the observer with any story.... What details they have they must have got from this thread... I asked the observer for help to research what was happening to the clock and they decided to make a story ....on finding this out I asked not to be icluded in it not wanting any part of it...

How that translates to me supplying them with a story is beyond me??


Yeagh...nice and sunny when we set off... thunderstorms when we got there... so 15 quid for an hrs bowling.. could have done that here.... oh well :)

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Make allowances for the fact that I've not been here for a couple of weeks and the first I saw was the article in the newspaper, so then I looked in here for an update and saw posts which said that you'd been in contact with the Obsesrver.

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Its not that important :) i just wanted to make sure no one else coming along would think I supplied that story to the observer. based on your post... just clearing the air :)

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Any idea who supplied them with the photo because it looks remarkably like one of mine. Click 'The Arndale Clock' in my signature below and you'll see my original.

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Absoloutly no idea... as I say i didnt want to be any part of it so kept out.... You should be able to tell if its the same.. no way could two be taken from exact same angle IMHO

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Yep that definitely looks like my original photo. In which case did they get it from the website? Did they ask if they could use it? Or is it taken for granted that any photo on the internet is in the public domain unless copyright is stated.

Here is my original pic and then again with the Observer one shrunk to fit and superimposed.

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Well I am guessing they didn't ask you so you should be able to answer that one yerself .

Where they got it from is another question entirely. I suppose anyone could have copied it and then give it to the Observer.

yer never gonna find out until you ask them...

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The observer did ask me if they could use content from accringtonweb - to which I said yes - of course I'm not going to say no if I'm expecting publicity for the site. I wasn't aware any photos where here and just expected quotes from the site. So maybe this is my fault?

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As for copyright.. well thats a difficult subject.. if you havent stated its your picture and you took it then they could presume its in the public domain... after all you ahve given them permission to download it onto there computer by having it on the web... if you dont want them to use it for anything other than displaying in a web page you made then I think your supposed to tell them.

See the copyright notice on the official accy website for an idea.. its on the bottom of every page.

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No "fault" on your part Roy but just a pity that the Observer couldn't at least have named the website and given it credit for the source of the photo. If anyone used one of theirs without reference to source I think they'd probably be a bit miffed.

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Well if that pic has appeared on this website then ya gave them permission.. I doubt willow is too worried about them using it.. only the cheek of not asking... but i could be wrong :)

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:s_lol: see my previous post

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It was good to see an article on the front page inspired (wrote by?) AccyWeb - but I too was dissappointed that it didn't mention the website address.

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Hi y'all. Strewth, nothing happens for weeks and then you go away for a couple of days and you miss all the fun!

I read the article on the front page of the Observer with great relish this morning. But, as others have already pointed out there is no official statement from HBC. No change there then and no surprise either. Still, I think an huge vote of thanks is due to Kipax and Atarah and Roy for the input that got us this far. Onward and upwards chaps!

It does not surprise me either to discover that the estimable Mr Rix is the tardy council official with the snotty secretary who thinks that she is far too grand to concern herself with the hoi-polloi. Methinks it is high time we all got writing! Don't bother with emails, they will be ignored. Letters on paper are harder to disregard.

Has anyone taken the time to read the brief article in the Observer at the bottom of page 11 titled 'Golden Handshake Cap Plan Scrapped' ? I have, and now I know where most of the Council's money is going.

For those of you who do not have access to the Observer, I will post what it says in a new thread.

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I've seen it AB. It would seem that HBC are too busy with the act of self-preservation than to bother with us plebs! I see Mr.Rix was involved in the decision making process so I wouldn't expect a reply in the next fortnight or so Kipax!

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This thread was started way back in 2004. Today, in the Observer, it gives the impression something MIGHT be done about the Andy Plant clock. It would be smashing to see the clock returned to its rightful place int he Arndale.

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Would love to see it replaced, but set no store by owt in Observer, if they told me it was Saturday, i wouldn't take notice.

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I think it might be a good idea to restore the clock, get rid of the Arndale centre and restore things to what they were before if that were possible.

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Well it would probably be monday cashy:rolleyes:

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