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Stanaccy 14-09-2007 22:20

Haven't the press grammatial standards
 
I really thought that media corporations would at least grammar and spell check before they published. Well after reading about my own home town here Lancashire Telegraph: Your East Lancs: Great Harwood: Your Great Harwood news

It is obvious I was sadly mistaken. This is littered with spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, and makes me feel that the third estate has chucked away anything resembling English as it was taught.:mad:

flashy 14-09-2007 22:23

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ah i emailed a womens magazine a few weeks ago about spelling, it was atrocious(sp), i'm not the worlds best speller but this was ridiculous, i havent heard a thing back from them, wonder why

BERNADETTE 14-09-2007 22:29

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You are quite right, as you say spell-check would be a good idea:D

Stanaccy 14-09-2007 22:30

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And before anyone mentions my missspelling on the word Grammatical. My C key is gunked up.

Stanaccy 14-09-2007 22:32

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 470982)
You are quite right, as you say spell-check would be a good idea:D

See above post Bernadette :D

BERNADETTE 14-09-2007 22:37

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 470985)
See above post Bernadette :D

Yes but you apologised :D

WillowTheWhisp 14-09-2007 23:20

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No-one seems to employ proof readers any more.

West Ender 15-09-2007 14:51

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I am more irritated by the atrocious grammar than spelling mistakes. Even the so-called "quality" newspapers don't seem to have a proper grasp of punctuation. I always understood that, at least, A level English was a requirement for a career in journalism. It seems like many journalists today barely scraped a grade C in GCSE.

BERNADETTE 15-09-2007 14:59

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Surely there can be no excuse for spelling mistakes, all you have to do is use spell-check. You can go one step further and look in a dictionary!!!

Lilly 15-09-2007 15:39

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 471111)
I am more irritated by the atrocious grammar than spelling mistakes. Even the so-called "quality" newspapers don't seem to have a proper grasp of punctuation. I always understood that, at least, A level English was a requirement for a career in journalism. It seems like many journalists today barely scraped a grade C in GCSE.

I agree and this really winds me up. Once upon a time you only usually saw these errors on the signs of cheapo shops and market stalls/cafes. Now they're all over. I have spotted them in newspapers, books, birthday cards and on the television. Vauxhall had a big advert in the Telegraph and it was plastered all over their showroom in Blackburn. It was advertising the cars they sell and stated in big letters,
ASTRA'S, CORSA'S, VECTRA'S. How can they make mistakes like this?:confused:
How are we to teach our children the correct way when all around us we see blatant errors like these? I remember the Iceland slogan that when it first came out said 'That's why mum's go to Iceland'. I thought 'Mum's what goes to Iceland?' People complained and it was corrected but why did it go out like that in the first place?:confused:
Punctuation, spelling and grammar don't even seem to matter in the exams and I think this is ludicrous! As long as you get your point accross to the examiner reading your paper they will not knock off marks for incorrect spelling,punctuation etc. Well they should knock marks off and it does matter!:mad:

West Ender 15-09-2007 15:55

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Ah, the ubiquitous apostrophe. It seems to have come into existence in the last 20 years, before that no one seemed to use the apostrophe even where they should.

WillowTheWhisp 15-09-2007 17:08

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Yes that's one of the things which really aggravates me - the misuse of the apostrophe. Why aren't children taught these basics any more?

jelly baby 15-09-2007 18:26

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The Lancashire telegraph is renowned for its spelling mistakes, Hubby & I often remark on how many there are. A couple of weeks ago one of the reports was about driveways made from 'bitchermen', (bitumen). Ridiculous.

SPUGGIE J 15-09-2007 19:04

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Well I can safely say that due to my grammatical skills,well lack of them I could not comment with a straight face. Though, I do agree that as has been suggested, by Willow, the employment of proof readers is needed. As for spell check I have one on my browser but it leans towards American spelling, hence my bad spelling due to not trusting my spell checker.

Lilly 16-09-2007 12:14

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Originally Posted by jelly baby (Post 471230)
The Lancashire telegraph is renowned for its spelling mistakes, Hubby & I often remark on how many there are. A couple of weeks ago one of the reports was about driveways made from 'bitchermen', (bitumen). Ridiculous.

I was stunned by that one too, Jelly baby.

Ianto.W. 17-09-2007 18:23

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Anyone applying for a job, that made the slightest mistake in grammar, was the first to be eliminated. If they cannot organise a piece of paper what can they organise. It is a pity these standards were allowed to slip.

Less 17-09-2007 18:50

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Strange as it may seem I wonder about the grammar in this title:-

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Haven't the press grammatial standards
Even with grammatical spelt correctly, I wonder if that is a correct grammatical question, ignoring all else where is the question mark at the end of the sentence?
:p

SPUGGIE J 17-09-2007 19:56

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Do we really need to worry if one's grammar is not perfect. As a population we never read everything perfectly in a newspaper so why should one worry. :p

Lilly 17-09-2007 20:11

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 471694)
Do we really need to worry if one's grammar is not perfect. :p

Yes. As each generation is allowed to believe that it doesn't matter then how are we to produce further generations of children who can spell/punctuate properly?
One day there will be nobody left who knows the rules of the English language.:(

SPUGGIE J 17-09-2007 21:01

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 471698)
Yes. As each generation is allowed to believe that it doesn't matter then how are we to produce further generations of children who can spell/punctuate properly?
One day there will be nobody left who knows the rules of the English language.:(

Well thanks to chat rooms sms on mobiles etc then it will never be correct. Unless schools push English harder then we will have this problem for years to come.

Lilly 18-09-2007 15:55

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 471712)
Unless schools push English harder then we will have this problem for years to come.

Very true. The education authorities should place much more importance on this than they currently do.

MargaretR 18-09-2007 16:07

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Language changes over centuries -- as one who was compelled to translate Chaucer for A level -- I know how difficult it is to understand- try reading this
Index.html
Flee fro the prees and dwelle with sothfastnesse;

Suffyce unto thy thing, though it be small,

For hord hath hate, and climbing tickelnesse,

Prees hath envye, and wele blent overal.

Savour no more than thee bihove shal,

Reule wel thyself that other folk canst rede,

And trouthe thee shal delivere, it is no drede.



Tempest thee noght al croked to redresse

In trust of hir that turneth as a bal;

Gret reste stant in litel besinesse.

Be war therefore to sporne ayeyns an al,

Stryve not, as doth the crokke with the wal.

Daunte thyself, that dauntest otheres dede,

And trouthe thee shal delivere, it is no drede.



That thee is sente, receyve in buxumnesse;

The wrastling for this world axeth a fal.

Her is non hoom, her nis but wildernesse;

Forth, pilgrim, forth! Forth, beste out of thy stal!

Know thy countree, look up, thank God of al;

Hold the heye wey and lat thy ghost thee lede,

And trouthe thee shal delivere, it is no drede.


In this high speed, high tech age more people are communicating with each other and the language evolution seems to be happening faster.
I still get annoyed when I see misspelling and punctuation because I remember how much importance was put on it in my school days - ie it was 'drummed into me'

SPUGGIE J 18-09-2007 19:14

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Sorry Margaret but my brain aint working well enough to work on that lot. :o

Lilly 18-09-2007 21:15

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 471860)
I still get annoyed when I see misspelling and punctuation because I remember how much importance was put on it in my school days - ie it was 'drummed into me'

So it should be. It's a pity that standards are not as high today.

Lilly 18-09-2007 21:18

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 471111)
I always understood that, at least, A level English was a requirement for a career in journalism. .

The fact that these people will have A level English is very worrying. It just goes to show how little importance is placed on spelling and punctuation in the exams. Terrible.:(

WillowTheWhisp 19-09-2007 07:18

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The problem is that when people do not use correct spelling, punctuation and grammar it can lead to all manner of misunderstandings and misinterpretations.

Classic grammatical errors such as "Dining table belonging to little old lady with Queen Anne legs." may be amusing but others can be far more serious.

SPUGGIE J 19-09-2007 12:55

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 472065)
The problem is that when people do not use correct spelling, punctuation and grammar it can lead to all manner of misunderstandings and misinterpretations.

Classic grammatical errors such as "Dining table belonging to little old lady with Queen Anne legs." may be amusing but others can be far more serious.

I understand what it should say and mean but as you say it could be taken the wrong way.

WillowTheWhisp 19-09-2007 13:42

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OK how about this one for more serious implications:

'After having brutally attacked several people in the house, Mr. Smith finally apprehended the burglar in the cellar.'

Now we assume that it was the burglar who had attacked people but the way it is written it literally means that Mr. Smith didn't care who he clobbered in his hamfisted attempts to nab this theif! The problems then arise when people give such statements to the press which are then printed and people read them as Mr. Smith having attacked people and they go on the rampage to get revenge against him.

SPUGGIE J 19-09-2007 14:28

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 472133)
OK how about this one for more serious implications:

'After having brutally attacked several people in the house, Mr. Smith finally apprehended the burglar in the cellar.'

Now we assume that it was the burglar who had attacked people but the way it is written it literally means that Mr. Smith didn't care who he clobbered in his hamfisted attempts to nab this theif! The problems then arise when people give such statements to the press which are then printed and people read them as Mr. Smith having attacked people and they go on the rampage to get revenge against him.

That has extremely serious implications for Mr Smith. Best thing to do is not speak to the press. It shows that something as simple as statements pavement style can be dangerous.

Stanaccy 21-09-2007 19:19

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 471687)
Strange as it may seem I wonder about the grammar in this title:-



Even with grammatical spelt correctly, I wonder if that is a correct grammatical question, ignoring all else where is the question mark at the end of the sentence?
:p

It was an ironic statement Less:rolleyes::p

And also Willow I love the book Eats Shoots and Leaves

Wynonie Harris 21-09-2007 19:24

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 472834)
It was an ironic statement Less:rolleyes::p

Oh yeah, sure, Stan. Next thing you'll be telling us your question mark key was "gunked up"...or maybe even your daughter did it! ;)

West Ender 21-09-2007 20:57

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 472834)
And also Willow I love the book Eats Shoots and Leaves



You mean "Eats, shoots and leaves". Note the subtle difference. ;)

Lilly 21-09-2007 21:01

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Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 472906)
You mean "Eats, shoots and leaves". Note the subtle difference. ;)

Nice one, Westender :) LOL. Lynne Truss, what a marvellous woman!:D

katex 22-09-2007 12:59

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 472838)
Oh yeah, sure, Stan. Next thing you'll be telling us your question mark key was "gunked up"...or maybe even your daughter did it! ;)

May be official soon Wynonie .. the new Oxford dictionary was launched this week with new entries, God forbid, like: hoodies ... informal, especially a youth wearing a hooded top and: plank .. stupid person.. :D

AskOxford: New Words

Particularly like the new quotation book in August and look out for the Joan Collin's quote gals.. ;)

Homer makes it into the Oxford D'oh-ctionary with his quotable quips | the Daily Mail

Lilly 24-09-2007 15:44

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Following on from the 'bitchermen' classic. There's a real howler in tonight's Telegraph on the jobs page. It's an ad for a vacancy to work in the promotions dept of the Telegraph, 20 hours a week, 25 days holiday, contributory pension scheme etc etc etc and finally,' own cat prefarable.'

The spelling and grammar of the imbeciles at the Telegraph will never cease to amaze me.

MargaretR 24-09-2007 16:07

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 473785)
' own cat prefarable.'

It would have made sense if they had said preFURable :D

SPUGGIE J 24-09-2007 17:20

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 473799)
It would have made sense if they had said preFURable :D


What if there is a woofer around is there a front page story in the "big fight.":eek:

It would be good if they could get it rite in the fost place saw we dont take the miky. :D


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